The Presidential prophecy- An update on Charlie Johnston

A triumphant Trump inaugurated amidst some bold predictions
Update Jan 1, 2018: Concerning Mr. Johnston's alleged prophecies and private revelations, from early on this writer often commented that time and events (or lack of events) will clearly reveal whether Charlie's prophecies are authentic, or not.  In other words, time will tell. 

Well, as of today (January 1, 2018) time has clearly revealed that Mr. Johnston's numerous prophecies have ALL been shown to be completely false, most notably his predictions concerning the Presidential election, the great worldwide "Storm" which he foretold would bring global economic collapse and civil strife, toppling governments throughout the globe, war with political Islam resulting with the mass conversion of most Muslims, then a war with China, and generalized  global chaos resulting in 26 million dead, all culminating with the miraculous "Rescue" apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to all of humanity, all of which was prophesied by Charlie to occur by the end of 2017. 

In conclusion, since Charlie's prophecies have now all been shown to be completely false, he joins the list of recent failed visionaries whose stories have been highlighted on this site, such as "Locutions to the World" and "Maria Divine Mercy", and together they provide a strong cautionary warning for all of us in regards to purported visionaries and mystics of past and present, urging us to be very cautious and prudent in our discernment concerning such persons,  reaffirming the statement and warning of St Paul of the Cross, the founder of the Passionists and great mystic himself, who once stated that 9 out of 10 purported visionaries are false.  Perhaps this estimation from St Paul of the Cross is a bit high, but then again perhaps not.  -Glenn Dallaire
UPDATE, January 20, 2017: 
With the successful inauguration of President Donald Trump comes the unfulfilled conclusion to both parts of the alleged angelic “Presidential prophecy” of Charlie Johnston, namely that Obama will not finish his term and the next leader will not come from the political system (ie.-not elected), as detailed in the article below. It was a bold two-part prophecy that has now ended in a double fail.

When one claims to be a prophet of God, one’s life and most especially one’s prophecies are automatically held for scrutiny before the court of public opinion. In this court of public opinion, the preponderance of the evidence is what often initially sways one’s opinion, yet there eventually comes to pass certain very important matters for discernment, such as key prophecies, which depending on their eventual turnout, will considerably authenticate, or invalidate, the purported mission and message of such persons.  And when one compares the alleged angelic ‘Presidential prophecy’ against today’s successful inauguration, the conclusions to be drawn are self-evident.  

With the above being said, one would strongly suspect that today’s inauguration, which by all appearances completely invalidates the first formal public prophecy of Charlie Johnston, will likely be one of these aforementioned key matters for discernment that will have a decisive impact in judging his purported prophetic mission and message for a good many people.  For if a prophet is judged by his prophecies as the saying goes, then today’s failure of the purported angelic ‘Presidential prophecy’,  as detailed in the article below,  will for many persons surely bring with it an unfavorable judgment in what concerns the prophetic mission of Charlie Johnston. 

For in his blog post "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
"...If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

And again, concerning today’s inauguration, for his part Charlie has also declared in his post entitled “Election day” on November 7th that:
 “…If, on January 20, Obama peacefully transfers power to either Trump or Clinton, I will declare myself unreliable and retire into silence.”  

With this pledge, one finds that today’s inauguration will bring with it not only the end of Obama’s term, but also the end of Charlie Johnston’s public blogging, speaking engagements, and future predictions, at least for a time, though the loss of credibility from today’s events will likely be permanent. 

And I say "for a time" simply because of Charlie's recent comments on his blog concerning the possibility of today's failure of his "Presidential prophecy", wherein he recently speaks about the possibility of being "recalled" by God into a silent, private period for some sort of remedial prophetic discernment re-training "for a time".

Nevertheless, for those who in good faith spread amongst their family, friends and coworkers Charlie's prediction concerning "Obama not finishing his term/next leader not coming from the political process", and who are now left feeling much like "the boy who cried wolf", one can only presume that any possible future prophetic predictions from Charlie will be given little or no credence, if not outright opposition by many who have followed his work and message, as is perhaps justifiably merited by today's developments. In the end, it is up to Archbishop Aquila of Denver to make any formal judgments concerning Charlie Johnston's private revelations.

As for this writer, I can say that while I have always been reluctant to highlight purported LIVING mystics and visionaries, I am even more so now after these recent events.

May God bless the United States of America, and all of humanity.
-Glenn Dallaire, January 20, 2017

Charlie Johnston during a recent FOCUS TV interview
The final days for the possible fulfillment of a purported Angelic prophecy 

By: Glenn Dallaire

Jan. 7, 2017 -Vigil of the Epiphany
Many readers of this website are familiar with the original article that I wrote back in January 2015 entitled  "Charlie Johnston -An alleged prophet with a critically important message for humanity".  In it I discussed at length Charlie's purported prophetic mission and message, along with a short biography of his life. And for the past two years it has been one of the most popular articles on this website.

Additionally, when the Archdiocese of Denver came out with a Statement in March 2016 concerning Mr. Johnston I published an article here discussing it.

The Presidential prophecy
In the past week, the comments beneath that original article have exploded (there are now currently a total of 770 comments), as has my email inbox, with most everyone commenting specifically on the angelic prophecy allegedly given to Charlie, which I have named "The Presidential prophecy":

"What I was told in the Spring of 2008 was that Barack Obama would win that year's election, that he would not finish his full term, and that the next stable national leader would not come from the political system."

The obvious reason for all of the recent attention to this specific alleged angelic prophecy is the upcoming scheduled Presidential Inauguration scheduled for this January 20th--just 2 weeks away from this writing. For his part, just yesterday Charlie published an article entitled "A Decisive Conundrum" which addresses this matter, in part.

This particular prophecy is the first of a series of alleged angelic prophesies concerning the world that are to occur mostly this year (2017). And since we are delving into this subject of alleged "Angelic" messages given to Charlie, it should be pointed out that the Angel whom has purportedly visited Charlie from childhood is the Archangel Gabriel, as was specifically revealed to Charlie during one of the "visitations". The other predictions that Charlie insists upon are highlighted in his article entitled "Go Forth". In it Charlie reveals eight worldwide events that are said to occur::

"I only have eight public prophecies that I insist on. Only the visible, miraculous Rescue by Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception in late 2017, is time sensitive. Five things must happen between now and the Rescue, but can happen at any time during that period. They are:

– The continued toppling of governments throughout the world, including that of the U.S. The toppling of a government does not mean the nation shall fall.

– The confrontation with and fall of political Islam.

– The mass conversion of most Muslims

– The confrontation between the Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China.

– The alliance between Russia and the U.S. to lead the Judeo-Christian world to endure the confrontation with China.

-Then, after the 5 things above comes the miraculous "Rescue" through the Immaculate Heart of Mary sometime in late 2017.

Then there are two prophecies that happen shortly after the Rescue. They are the unification of the faithful into one flock under one shepherd and the building and location of the Shrine of thanksgiving for the Rescue on Mount Meeker in Colorado.

Together these predicted events constitute for humanity what Charlie calls "The Storm"--a series of events which he states is already well underway. As of today (January 7, 2017), the most obvious observation concerning the prophesies above is that time is really running out for them to all happen before the miraculous Rescue in late 2017. Thus, from an intellectually reasoned perspective, it is probably readily apparent to many that such predictions are already a failure, given the time-frames involved for such things to occur in "real" time. But then, who really knows just yet? For God is not limited by our human constraints and He is always full of surprises.

It should be noted that the "Presidential prophecy" is NOT part of the eight public prophesies that Charlie insists upon. I don't know what bearing that may have, if any, in the upcoming days and weeks.

"God has appointed that this be a sign to you"
In his article "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
"If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

Of course for now the big question at this point is whether or not the purported angelic prophecy concerning Obama not finishing his term/next leader not coming from the election process will come to pass as foretold in the remaining two weeks before the scheduled Presidential inauguration on January 20th. And the obvious implication in the opinion of many people is that this prophecy is key in determining whether Charlie is truly an authentic prophet, or not. For as the saying goes "A prophet is judged by his prophecies", or as Scripture tells us:

"And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not fear him." (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

For his part, Charlie has stated numerous times that if this particular prophecy concerning Obama not finishing his term were to fail, with the presidency successfully transitioned to Donald Trump, that he will post one last post on his blog, then go away:
Charlie Johnston during a presentation in July 2016
charliej373 says:
"If there is a peaceful transition of power from Obama to Trump, I will go away. If there is not, be not afraid, God has a plan."

or again:
 charliej373 says:
December 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm
"Now, as I have said, if the inauguration goes on without incident, I will go away. "

or again:
charliej373 says:
"Certainly, if we have a normal inauguration a month from now, I will retire from the field, for that prophecy will have been objectively wrong. I take full responsibility for that. But it won’t change what you are called to do.

Noting that I do and will take responsibility, your standard would require you to dismiss St. Joan of Arc as a false prophet for the times she erred on saying how the battle would go – and many of the Old Testament prophets who were often off on their timing, sometimes by years. I do not say this to try to justify any error on my part. I strongly urge you to examine yourself and consider what God calls you to. But yep, a month from now if we have a normal inauguration, you can give me a big old thumbs down."

charliej373 says:
January 8, 2017 at 9:21 pm
"If the inauguration comes off, I will leave the public scene, because that is what it means to honorably take full responsibility. "

And so, even though this "Presidential prophecy" is not one of the eight public prophecies that Charlie insists upon, according to several statements he has made he does believe that if it fails to come to pass as foretold, this would be significant enough to merit and declare himself "unreliable" and "leaving the scene". Time will soon tell how things turn out. For his part, Charlie has "laid it on the line", so to speak. We need only wait, watch and pray. Events, or the lack thereof, will reveal the truth concerning Charlie's purported private revelations.

Given all of the recent interest in this particular prophecy as of late, along with the popularity of the original article here on this website concerning Charlie Johnston, I thought I would publish this new article so that those interested can comment on this matter freely and directly here. As always, all comments are published immediately on this website, without moderation. I only ask that commentators be charitable and considerate in their comments.

***UPDATE: FEBRUARY 16, 2017: Archdiocese of Denver: "Statement on false claim regarding Charlie Johnston’s messages"


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L Spinelli said...

I found this on Facebook, and even though Charlie is old news by now, his cult doesn't think so. Almost every one of these applies to the TNRS/ASOH (say that one fast and it sounds like asshole) cult.

10 warning signs that you are probably a member of a cult-not just a religious one but perhaps a political one.

* If you are not allowed to criticize your leader, even if the criticism is true, you are probably a member of a cult

* If you are only allowed to study your organization through approved sources (Fox News, Q Anon, Lifesite News, etc), you are probably a member of a cult.

* If former members are routinely delegitimized, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If your group is paranoid about the outside world, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If your group relies on shaming cycles (e.g., Twitter attacks), then you are probably a member of a cult.

* If the leader is above the law and held to a different moral standard, particularly with regard to sex, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If your serious questions are answered with cliches, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If your leader presents himself as the only solution any serious problem, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If you are not allowed to know how the leader makes his money and what he does with it, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If there are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the leader, you are probably a member of a cult.

Credit goes to Eric Edeen

Anonymous said...

Charlie recently claimed he's consulting with Texas Right to Life (a group the Texas bishops urged Catholics to ignore) and also with some candidates for Congress. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone in the public sector would accept Charlie as a consultant or even as a volunteer. Don't they have Google? It's not hard to find out just what a mess Charlie has left behind in his last venture. I can only assume he is exaggerating greatly his role with any responsible group or person.

As for ignoring news... that reminded me of the newspaper story from way back that said Charlie's wife had to get help from local charities during the time after their split. What a stand-up guy!

L Spinelli said...

"He's exaggerating his role greatly"

That sounds familiar. Like a certain pilgrimage that he greatly exaggerated. Like he didn't walk 3200 miles as he claimed. Kevin O'Brien took those claims apart three years ago now!

Why does anyone still listen to him? Because being an Alt Right Catholic is, as he recently claimed, courageously going against the grain. There aren't enough 🙄 for that.

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston marches forward, unapologetic as always. A gifted snake oil salesman, as he's accurately been described on this site, Charlie often attempts to latch, or leach, onto legitimate or mainstream people & organizations. Legitimacy by association. Clever enough, however obvious. As has been correctly opined, Charlie's cult does NOT care about his past, failed professional careers; his numerous failed prophecies, nor his fabricated (of course, heroic) tales of valor, i.e. saving a family from a burning car & single handedly foiling an armed bank robbery. They agree with him politically, so all else is simply ignored. it really is THAT simple, and that pathetic. The only good news is that the majority of his cult has fled, presumably in search of a new guru. The bad news is that some new members have joined his cult. He's a good spin master, but hopefully the newer moonies will soon see Charlie as the liar he really is. Even talented con men can't spin endlessly, or hide from their failed records forever.

Anonymous said...

What ever happened to Bishop Yong Duk? Do you think he was a real Bishop?

Fred Keyes said...

I think we can at least be thankful (so far) that Charlie, with his core nutters firmly in tow, is not a Jim Jones. Charlie's hold on the nutters is that strong; they would, lemming-like, follow him over a cliff if asked.

For the Catholic believer, politics is an instrument useful in establishing God's Kingdom on earth. I fear that for Charlie and the Nutters it's the other way around: Their religion is an instrument useful for establishing their alt-right false god.

Jackisback said...

Hey Fred. I think you are correct regarding CJ's approach to religion and politics.

But indulge me in a thought experiment, if you care to. Can reconcile these two quotes?

1. The Kingdom of God is at hand.

2. My Kingdom is not of this world.

Best, Jack

Anonymous said...

Great article on How to Tell the Differences Between a Prophet and a Crank in Christianity Today. It nails Charlie, for sure!

The biblical prophets were a curious bunch of confrontational outsiders, fiery eccentrics, and hairy lefties, and their oracles of judgment and eschatology are much harder to understand than the logical, linear letters we prefer reading. But at least they are in the Bible. Not so with modern “prophets,” who are either political activists in disguise, perpetual protesters overdosed on Amos, or maverick charismatics who make outlandish claims and even more outlandish salaries. Prophecy, it seems, has fallen on hard times.

I am thankful he is no longer going around the country stirring up poor misguided souls and milking any meeting with well-known Catholics for every bit of reflected glory he can get.

Jackisback said...

Anon at 11:02 AM,

Thanks for the link to the Wilson article. I love the sub-heading/cartoon with a person's hand holding up a sign: "The End is Near"

Remember all the verbiage CJ devoted to the concept that we were already in the midst of Armageddon (defined as the last battle between good and evil before the Day of Judgment). As Fred and I have talked about before, there have been so many, many battles between good and evil throughout the almost 2,000 years since the death of the Christ, with some of them very clearly more ferocious in terms of loss of life (as just one metric).

The claim of Armageddon, in the here & now, just never made sense. You don't need a degree in statistics to feel confident in the opposite claim: the end is NOT nigh! In other words, it is more likely than not that this current "battle" between good and evil will not be the last one before the Day of Judgment. It is more likely than not that there are many more battles to come before the end. I have confidence in this latter assertion, based upon just a quick glance at history. And when CJ made the claim, that "it's different this time," the burden of proof rested (and still rests) upon him. As we can all determine with our own senses, CJ has never met that burden of proof.

Why do some still cling to CJ's every word? Is it a warped kind of FOMO (fear of missing out)?


L Spinelli said...

Oh, Anon, he's still going around the country. He was in Texas stumping for Ted Cruz recently. He was also at Michael Voris' rally in Baltimore. (Not only that, he managed to get one of his blogs reposted at Church Militant online!)

He still has a network of nutters around the US - regional coordinators who organize his wandering around the country. Is this weird or is it me? It's been close to TWO years now since the Presidential Prophecy bombed, and not only did he not fade into history, he's still trying to influence Catholics?

Did people conveniently forget his bizarre claims from TNRS and the Birmingham Dinner? Did they also forget his close to 20 failed prophecies? Why don't people remember this stuff when he takes off for "work"?

Well, as I said before, these people agree with his politics, and not only that, he claims that going "all in" for Trump and the Republicans is "courageous". That's a play on the belief that Christians are perennial outsiders. He has this so deeply imbedded in the minds of the nutters that nothing will get them, at this point, to break away from him.

Fred Keyes said...

Hi Jack,

Happy New Year!

Sorry for the delayed response. I don't get back here very often.

The answer to your question about the Kingdom of God seems to me to be straightforward.

That the "Kingdom of God is at hand" doesn't mean that it is "of this world" or ever will be. It refers rather to the "new heaven and new earth" that John writes about in Revelation. *That's* the Kingdom that's "at hand." It's a good theme to meditate on when saying the third Luminous Mystery of the rosary.

Consider this as well, from Luke 17:20-21:
Asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he said in reply, “The coming of the kingdom of God cannot be observed, and no one will announce, ‘Look, here it is,’ or, ‘There it is.’ For behold, the kingdom of God is among you.” [Sometimes this is translated as "the Kingdom of God is within you."]

Clearly then, IMO, the kingdom isn't of this world. Jesus was speaking about an entirely different—a spiritual—reality. It is a gift we receive at baptism, to be cherished until we receive its promise fully in the afterlife.

Charlie and the nutters though try to scare the bejesus out of everybody by contradicting Christ's words and announcing something Jesus said no one would do. He manages to turn the truth about the Kingdom of God into something more political and earthly.

May we all have a good Advent season preparing for the Kingdom!


Still Bemused said...

Latest angelic message from Charlie Johnston:

When I was a much younger man, I often complained that my life was like being forced to watch a developing train wreck in slow motion without being able to stop it. Both those who drove and those who merely rode would be broken. It was agonizing torture. I would ask bitterly why I was shown anything at all if I could not stop it. My angel finally, after years of frustration and tears, told me there was something I could do: I could prepare the ambulances.

Back in 2015/2016 the angels were telling Charlie about the Regent, Menses, WWIII with China, total worldwide economic collapse, and folks being rounded up into FEMA camps. But today he tells us the angels want him to prepare the ambulances.

Anonymous said...

Why? Why is this snake oil salesman being given any credence at all? I don't get it. It's way beyond absurd. It really is. The fact that his record of total prophetic failures is completely ignored speaks volumes about his cult. It's true; they concur with him politically, and nothing else matters. His fabricated past (Charlie saved a family from a burning car & single handedly foiled an armed bank robbery) is forgiven. Charlie remains unapologetic. Unbelievable.

Anonymous said...

I have endeavored to be God’s good servant. I will continue to do so in obedient submission to Holy Mother Church. But now, chastened, like Job, I put my hand over my mouth…

Acknowledge God, take the next right step, and be a sign of hope to those around you. That is the sure and ordinary path to kinship with God, to peace and to joy, whatever happens. CJ

OK Charlie, put a sock in it and go away! His cult continues to fuel his huge ego and ongoing delusions. As soon as things appear to wane a bit, Charlie throws in a sprinkling of prophecy, to keep his cult energized. Hardly original, but effective enough to keep his moonies in tow. Again, Charlie, man up & shut up!

Anonymous said...

Merry "Last Good Christmas" to all who visit here, for the fifth year in a row...

L Spinelli said...

Folks, remember "Whatcha Gonna Do When They Come For You?" One of the cornerstones of Charlie's "ministry", another one being "God's Plan" (which of course never came to pass)?

If you do, then read the following article. It says that the hysteria about Jade Helm was a false flag planted by the Russians!

How about that? The same guy who bragged about getting his opinions from source documents bought a fake news story outright and sold it to his frightened and gullible readers.

Merry Christmas!

Anonymous said...

Here we go again...From his latest post:

I told you on the old website – and on this one as well – that we were headed for a “global civil war fought on cultural lines.” I was saying the same thing a quarter of a century ago to my Priests – and in my private writings to them. I told you that this would be the worst crisis in the history of civilization.

And then he adds:

I made a couple of flubs along the way, but I told you true on the fundamental heart of the matter – and even the harshest of my old critics would have a very hard time explaining why we are not already in a global civil war fought on cultural lines.

What about all the FAILED prophecies? He now dismisses the as flubs?

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston still insists HE and HIS FOLLOWERS will inherit the earth, and take leadership positions shortly. Their enemies will flock to them, his faithful, for help! Charlie has equipped them to become LEADERS! And JUDGES, who will SHAKE THE DUST OFF their feet when CRITICS don't pay attention to them.


When the darkness comes fully, the people who will be most distressed will be those who have done the most to summon it. Those who now think themselves masters of the universe have no clue how to survive without services – and servants – at their beck and call. The time will come when they will be baffled and in terror of what they have called down upon all of us – and they will come to you for help and succor because, even though you, too, are in need, you will be in better shape than they are. Will your resentments – and your own needs – prevent you from ministering to them? How will you bring them back to the path of faith if you behave as these heathens among us do, with resentment, malice, and low cunning? I do not say to let them govern your assemblies; they have shown they cannot safely be entrusted with authority. Rather, treat them with charity as the supplicants that, soon enough, they will become. Show them a better way – the way of faith, family and freedom. Treat them as brothers if they can accept it. If they spurn your help even then, then shake the dust off your feet in witness against them – but not until you have offered the better way. These things you must do when you, yourself, are in need and in fear.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

World War III with China - FLUB
Regent will rule the USA - FLUB
Barack Obama will not finish his term - FLUB
USA presidential election cancelled - FLUB
Worldwide economic collapse - FLUB
Money is worthless - FLUB
The fall of political Islam and conversion of Muslims - FLUB
Tanks rolling down the streets - FLUB
People being herded into FEMA camps - FLUB
The rise of Menses - FLUB
Rescue by Our Lady in 2017 - FLUB

Flub me once shame on you, flub me twice shame on me.

Anonymous said...

Did the other worldly beings who were communicating with Charlie Johnston for decades deliberately give him all these false flubs? Why would a heavenly angel do such a thing? Maybe Charlie’s visitors were just in his imagination? Maybe these other worldly beings were REAL and gave Charlie good information however despite 50 years of angelic training, and working with 3 spiritual directors, Charlie completely misunderstood what they were trying to convey, and in turn communicated false information to his followers? Can anyone point to a TRUE seer who got everything wrong? And now Charlie and his followers are going to shake the dust off their feet when people don’t believe him? What am I missing here?

Anonymous said...

In the latest TNRS post, there's an interesting exchange:

From Joe:
Charlie, I have been wondering throughout the last 2 years how you can still, on multiple occasions, mention “The Storm” in the same vien as the old site, yet the credibility of the visions/visitations are shot?

Charlie Johnston's response:

I can certainly understand how you feel that way, Joe, but I do NOT believe for a moment that the credibility of the visions is shot. I misinterpreted details on two occasions – and took full responsibility for it. But pray tell me who has been more accurate over this last decade in speaking of the trajectory of these times? In my old political days, I was occasionally wrong in my assessments of what hard data meant – yet my services remained in much demand because I was so solid on the overall sweep. When I deal with much greater more difficult things, I dealt with even more care, but still managed to get two interpretations wrong...and with that and getting just about all else right in a way that no one else, you say my credibility is shot. I do not concur.

So according to Charlie Johnston, his visions are still credible. He simply misinterpreted "details" on two occasions.

L Spinelli said...

Yes, Anon, all his (failed) claims from TNRS, the Birmingham Dinner, and the around 20 failed prophecies mean nothing now.

Internally, I believe I have a job to do and am intent on doing it in submission to God and obedience to my lawful superiors: to defend the faith, hearten the faithful, and defend the faithful. My occasional errors will never stop me from living that commission, nor from acknowledging authentic errors when I make them. Nothing about that has changed. Again, I certainly respect your position, but I will continue to speak as I always have.

Do I say I am sent for these times? Absolutely. I know it is troubling to many who expected a perfect king or prophet and instead got a screw-up like themselves whose notable feature is his persistence, whether in sunny or stormy weather.

I don't even know how anyone can reason with someone who is this delusional about his role in the world, yet so puffed up about his "exemplary" skills and record at the same time. It's a losing battle that only his Archdiocese can put an end to. (How absurd is it that this mess is still lurching on into 2019? Happy New Year!)

L Spinelli said...

"I have told you true" is dismissed as a flub.

charliej373 says:

April 23, 2016 at 11:38 pm

For what it’s worth, I did say and maintain that I have been told that Obama would not finish his full term, but would live to fully convert long after he had left office. That is by revelation and is a specific thing I must be judged on.

August 28, 2016

If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history. I appeal to you to quit trying to flatter yourself that you have figured out how God is going to accomplish this, for that way leads to destruction. Trust Him and follow Him whatever happens. I have told you true.

He now dismisses this so he can keep going, just like a deranged Energizer bunny. Unbelievable, b t no shock to us who were following this story for the past four years.

Jackisback said...

Above is a link to a book that CJ ought to read.

Poor CJ, he picked lemons, for prophecies/locutions, in a grove where he thought only oranges grew.

Consider a metaphor for CJ: walking through a large grove of citrus trees which are randomly populated with both orange trees and lemon trees, and he picks several dozen pieces of fruit, claiming that they're all beautiful oranges, except that CJ is also color blind. He offers you all of fruit in his baskets, the "oranges," tells you he was told by an angel of God to pick exactly those particular pieces of fruit, and that same angel told him to tell you that you must choose them all, in the belief that they are all oranges, or you will perish. When you object, and proceed to point out that half of the fruit in the baskets are actually lemons, he rebukes you for failing to remember that it was him who told you (for the last 20 years) that the leaves on all the trees are green in color, and he's been "right" on that "grand sweep of things."

Poor CJ.

L Spinelli said...

Charlie twists the Bible to suit his purposes. He's in rare form this New Year's Eve.

(Speaking of which, I really thought this discussion would cease shortly after the Rescue failed - and I still don't buy the reinterpretation. Charlie's chutzpah is going into 2019 and beyond. How special. /s)

When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him.” (Deu. 18:22)

December 31, 2018 at 12:24 pm

Ah, how I am amused by the amateur theologians that sometimes drop by here. Notice the text does not say when “someone who purports to be a prophet,” it says when a prophet speaks such – and then tells you you need not fear that prophecy. Thus, this verse anticipates that authentic prophets will err.

If you were to seriously examine and discuss the issue, you would also take into account how often prophets mis-interpret what they are authentically shown. If you were very serious, you might do a serious timeline in the Old Testament and discover how many times the actual prophets there were off on their timing by anywhere from three to 40 years. Then you would have to reconcile it with this verse. But that would require seriousness of purpose and humility, rather than just bumper-sticker style gotcha stuff.

I speak not to those who are invincibly blind to the times, but those who see them clearly and want help navigating these crises. You keep on keeping on as you will, I will do the same, and we will see who is justified in the Lord’s own time, won’t we? I pray that ultimately it will be both of us.

Jackisback said...

Too many logical fallacies to count...

But the funny part is that he doesn't see his own irony - heaping presumption on top of presumption on top of presumption.

So there's that.

And I won't even go into the the timing thing, where his most weighty "locutions" were 100% time specific in their nature, to the point where CJ repeated more than once how "he was told" that the timing - by the end of 2017 - was to be communicated to his fawning audience, "specifically."

$64 question: how many moments of "presumptuous" speech (and in CJ's case, consecutive moments of presumptuous speech) does it take before a person, who also happens to engage in a constant stream of gaslighting ad nauseam, is considered a false prophet?

Anonymous said...

Beckita can out-Charlie Charlie with her rationalizations. I pity any poor priest who has to deal with her in a parish. Her response to Charlie's attack on Joe:

We have so many promises from Heaven that this storm will conclude in great joy, HTTP! When I found my way to TNRS, it was at the request of a priest friend who wanted to know what I thought of it. In reading Charlie from the get-go, I saw and experienced some consistent things.

1. I heard a re-echoing of many of the messages from Heaven with which I was familiar. And this from a man who obediently followed the wise counsel of his spiritual directors to NOT read other messages.

2. As Charlie carefully prepared us for various possibilities that might emerge, he was ever tamping down the sensational attitude, cautioning us to trust God rather than hyper-focus on details and what exactly would unfold.

3. What I also noticed, immediately, after finding my way here is that Charlie was not and remains not a typical message bearer who simply conveys what God wishes to say to His people by means of a heavenly visitor. No. Charlie is living his mission of leading via walking alongside us, defending the faith and heartening the faithful just as he was commissioned to do. He fosters discussion knowing that this builds up the mental toughness needed for the days upon us as we consider themes and possibilities and real life problems. How *many* times he’s acknowledged that the discussions refine his own thinking.

4. He did, indeed, tell us that during his many years of training he had been incorrect on some interpretations of what his angel had said and was, therefore, corrected many a time by St, Gabriel. Further, he (CJ) forewarned us that he had been told he would be wrong on some major things. In November of 2016, he wrote: “Sometime in the next year, I will be significantly wrong about something…When it comes, it will not be a test of me, for I already know that God is good and seeks our reclamation. It will be a test for some of you, to see whether you have put your faith in me or your faith in God. If it is in me, your faith was always ill-placed. God is good, all the time, whatever the circumstances – and works to call us all back to Him. When I am wrong, I will accept the correction with gratitude and more wisdom. I will not leave the scene unless it is one of the fundamentals, and then, in full obedience to Holy Church, I will wait on the Lord, knowing that He will strengthen my heart and that it serves His purpose to call all His children back to Him...”

Anonymous said...

More mush from Beckita:

..."In that same piece, A Reality Check, Charlie also wrote: “My angel rarely congratulates me for being right. Rather, if I am in serious error, he rebukes and corrects me. Many of the greatest saints have been deceived by the devil for a time. I have no illusion that I am exempt from that. So what if I was deceived for a time and my angel, for whatever reason, did not correct me? Do you think that would be so God could abandon or destroy you? Of course not! Everything that God allows is for our good and our reclamation. I know that, I have no doubt at all of it.”

My Goodness! It is so clear to me that – in observing how Charlie has conducted himself through the difficult times – we are being trained and/or reminded about how to respond in those moments when each of us gets it wrong too. We have; we do; we forever will err because we’re made of dust. I cannot even wrap my head around how much courage it must have taken for Charlie to entrust the care and sustaining of TNRS blog to others in a time when he was flogged to the max for faithfully manning his post to the best of his ability. (Wee edit, he was flogged for the perceptions people had even as his goal was to be faithful to manning his post.) And like a mother hen, his greatest concern was for our welfare as evidenced in this excerpt from the piece which I quote:
“But I worry that some who were shaken put their faith in God because of their confidence in me, rather than recognizing me for what I am – a cheerleader for the mighty God. Jesus’ followers thought He was going to re-establish a temporal kingdom through military might and political skill. Imagine how despondent they must have been when He was executed. Many thought all was lost. They found, as we always do, that God’s plan is both far different and far greater than any of us can imagine. Imagine then, their joy at the Ascension, when they had to have contemplated that what they had thought was the end was actually the beginning. We must ever wait, watch and trust, even as we humbly do the very little right in front of us that we can with absolute fidelity.”

And how many times have we heard and reiterated that we’re simply looking Through a Glass Darkly and rightly so. No mystic or prophet on earth knows exactly what is going to transpire. Even in what we’ve been given as glimpses of possibilities, we know not what has been mitigated, even as we press on in prayer, fasting, sacrificing and doing good for the sake of Love and reaping a great harvest of souls. God deserves our humble waiting – even if we do become impatient in our humanity. He deserves our complete trust. (Why do we torture ourselves with worry?) He deserves our very best efforts and, through His Mother, the most wonderful conclusion of this Storm awaits us: the complete Triumph of her Immaculate Heart!"

Jackisback said...

In the old Looney Tunes episode "Baseball Bugs" there is a scene where Bugs Bunny pitches a baseball and it is hit by one of the "gashouse gorillas" who proceeds to round the bases, only to find Bugs Bunny waiting for him just in front of home plate with the baseball in hand. Bugs Bunny stiff-arms the player with the baseball, knocking him senseless onto the ground. The umpire shouts "you're out!" As the player lays on the ground looking dizzy, Bugs Bunny holds up a sign that reads "Was this trip really necessary?"

Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to defend CJ ought to keep the above object lesson in mind. Why should any so-called prophet be praised for "tamping down the sensational attitude" when said so-called prophet was singularly responsible for creating a great number of sensational predictions (some of which were claimed to be locutions from heaven, some of which were "musings" of CJ's)?

Gaslighting is gaslighting, and isn't praisworthy; it's cruel to those who were duped by it, irrespective of whether the gaslighting behavior by CJ was purposeful or pathological.

Bottom line, this trip truly wasn't necessary at all.

Happy new year to those here who still maintain, or have regained, their common sense about this.

L Spinelli said...

Jack and all, I have a theory as to why Charlie was so testy on the last post. I could be completely off base. I think people were privately telling him to quit the scene throughout 2018, after the Rescue vision (because that's what it was, a vision given to without any interpretation, despite how many times he changed it) failed. He, meanwhile, is stubbornly clinging to his "purpose" and the loyalty of his core nutters. He's tired of hearing the obvious, so he lashed out.

Happy 2019 to all.

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston marches forward, unapologetic as always. A gifted snake oil salesman, as he's accurately been described on this site, Charlie often attempts to latch, or leach, onto legitimate or mainstream people & organizations. Legitimacy by association. Clever enough, however obvious. As has been correctly opined, Charlie's cult does NOT care about his past, failed professional careers; his numerous failed prophecies, nor his fabricated (of course, heroic) tales of valor, i.e. saving a family from a burning car & single handedly foiling an armed bank robbery. They agree with him politically, so all else is simply ignored. It really is THAT simple, and that pathetic. The only good news is that the majority of his cult has fled, presumably in search of a new guru. The bad news is that some new members have joined his cult. He's a good spin master, but hopefully the newer moonies will soon see Charlie as the liar he really is. Even talented con men can't spin endlessly, or hide from their failed records forever.

I must also wonder aloud why the Bishop won't simply end all this nonsence. CJ's core nutters are hopeless, but he may well, and has been, attracting new moonies to his cult. I can't explain this. Hasn't he hurt & misled enough poor souls? He'll never stop his ongoing delusions & spins, due to his vast ego. The Church must act definitively.

Fred Keyes said...

Anon @ 2:12, I'd say the bishop of Denver has a lot better things to do. The truth about Charlie is so obvious that he's not really a danger to anyone but the most gullible. Unfortunately the Church is facing a far more difficult challenge in the clergy sex abuse scandal. Nutters like Charlie are a dime a dozen; IMO, giving him any hierarchical attention at all would just add to his following...what you might call a "P.T. Barnum" effect.

Anonymous said...

Charlie is still trying to gin up a following. He went to a Baltimore rally when the US bishops were meeting about the abuse scandal. He ended up planting an article at the Church Militant site--yes, also sort of fringe, but with a big readership, more than Charlie himself ever had.

Now Desmond Birch, a respected Catholic author and EWTN commentator, has written for Charlie's "Sign of Hope" website and is engaging with Charlie's nutters in the comments. We'd all hoped Archbishop Aquila's negative rulings would end Charlie's run. But Charlie's like a rattlesnake: even with his head cut off, he can harm someone!

L Spinelli said...

Charlie on January 14, 2019: "I suspect it is going to be a very busy year for me and for all of us."

Wasn't he supposed to have "busy years" as far back as 2012?

Charlie and the Nutters fit the timeless definition of insanity - doing (or in his case, saying or "predicting") the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Anonymous said...

Just checking up on Charlie J in the new year. He wins an award for most un-self-aware person online. He's also peddling his prophecies again.

I read voraciously. I have, I think, a fine mind – but a clever mind not wedded to disciplined study and rigorous logic is just a megaphone for error. Couple that with a few dashes of vanity and you have the makings of a vicious, petty tyrant...

Let me tell you a snippet from my first great vision (a “great vision” is not necessarily more important than others: it is the term I use to describe the big visions that expound in some detail on what is happening and what is expected of me). It came in March of 1993 (in fact, this was the vision which I recounted in full to my first spiritual director at the instruction of my angel). The significant parts for consideration are that I was told that the spirit of antichrist had grown rampant in the world over the last century, that it was deceptively simple and seductive. It was simply this: the belief that good can be done without reference to God. It became institutionalized in a unique way with the Russian Revolution to become “good can ONLY be done without reference to God.” It was seductive because those taken in by it believe they are actually doing good – and every failure is used to inflame their vanity to double down on the error, while still believing they are doing good. I frequently comment that the belief that good can be done without reference to God is as absurd as the notion that thirst can be quenched without reference to water – and those who are determinedly trying to get us to quench our thirst with sand or sawdust are leading those who follow them to doom. I developed this formulation specifically from contemplation of that supernatural encounter.

From the very beginning of my consciousness of these things when I was a very little boy, two of the things that have been consistently emphasized were that this would be the greatest, most comprehensive crisis in the history of the world to this point but that, despite that, this is NOT the end. Had it been otherwise, I do not think I would have signed up. To help people through a great crisis is something worth sacrificing a lot for. To be color commentator for the Apocalypse is a role I would never have had any interest in.

This concludes Part II of the End of the Beginning. Part III, the final, will deal with what my mission actually is – and what it is not…and what your mission (should you choose to accept it) actually is and is not.

Jackisback said...

This is more of the same from CJ. What a monumental waste of time and energy.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Seer Johnston is at it again. Once a failed prophet, always a failed prophet. His cult must be losing moonies for good ole Charlie to return to angelic prophecies.

L Spinelli said...

Let's face the facts, people. Charlie isn't going anywhere. He's "all in" for the rest of his life, all failed prophecies forgotten about. He still has a very small (thank God for that) but rabid following. They put more faith in what Charlie says than in the Bishops or the Pope. Thank last year's scandals for that. Those scandals left plenty of room for a huckster like Charlie to come back even more forcefully than in 2014-2015. You can smell Satan all over this. What a tragedy all around, especially for those misguided souls who won't give up on Charlie.

Unknown said...

Right, L. Spinelli. Still a good thing that we keep up the truth-telling. Keeping souls away from the politics-soaked deceiver like Charlie is a good thing, IMO. An honest seeker may stumble on this site and start to see things differently than Charlie's nutters do.

Fred Keys said...

That was me by the way. :)

I hope you all are having a good Lent.

Anonymous said...

I wrote to Church Militant about Charlie, hopefully they won't have anything to do with him.

As for D. Birch I don't consider him to be relevant.

Fred Keyes said...

As DJT's days in the White House start to draw to an end, I can't help wondering whether Charlie will renew his calls for an armed million man march to D.C. to keep a "coup" from taking place. Trump at one point suggested such a thing referring to all the armed supporters he has.

Anonymous said...

Matthew 24:36 states: "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." John Paul II said in 2000 that we were in the 'springtime' of the church. Certainly many of us will see our end in this world long before the world ends. If we live our lives 'seeking first the Kingdom of God', we will fulfill our calling in this world. Why then waste time and energy diverted from what it is God is asking us to do? If this inspires you to live your calling, great! If not, fear not; focus on God's calling for you and the world will be bettered by your doing so.

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston is on another nationwide tour again, apparently, speaking in homes and at small venues in mostly small cities and towns. He's re-posting and repeating his old prophecies and hints he's still in touch with the Angel Gabriel. He also still insists he's in touch with high level people in politics and the church who avidly seek his advice (!) The nutters who post to his blog still believe in him, false promises notwithstanding. He's thrown JoCro under the bus, but Beckita, SteveBC, CrewDog are still around... He's likely to start in with new prophecies soon,seeing how he'll run out of old material.

Recovering Core Nutter said...

Seer Johnston is rehashing his old prophecies. I had to chuckle when I read this statement:

It may surprise some that most of my life I have rarely had much confidence that I was right on the matter of my predictions.

Give me a break...remember how this guy would excoriate anyone who dared question his prophecies back in 2015-2017. How times have changed.

Fred Keyes said...

It's good to see this thread dwindling away. But those of you who may indulge from time to time, look at this Youtube video and note the similarities between it (Qanon) and the CJ methods and techniques.

Anonymous said...

"A fellow I was speaking with told me he thought the 2020 election will be the trigger that unleashes violent revolt. I told him that is the outside limit of when it will occur. "

From Seer Johnston's post, dated 8-5-19. So, within 14 months, we'll see violent revolt, yet again? Once this next election comes & goes peacefully, Charlie, I suppose, will re adjust his (as usual) failed predictions to a later date. I wonder when his cult will wake up, or if they'll ever wake up? It's a sad era for failed prophets. If he weren't such an adroit snake oil salesman who misled many people via his delusions, I might actually admire his perseverance. However, he's marching on, head held high. Kinda sickening.

L Spinelli said...

Haven't posted in a long while, but I check in to ASOH every once in a while. It's the same old, same old. Prophecies specific to years ago retooled to fit today, and patriot Catholics armed to the teeth ready for a collapse. 🙄

This is the kind of stuff Charlie allows now, while deleting comments saying that he should stop using scare tactics. It didn't work in 2015 (Jade Helm turned out to be fake news) and it won't work now:

"Do you think abortionists should be executed under law 100% in all cases? I do.

Grace and peace."

"Chesterton uses the Lion and the Lamb correctly. Fierceness in defence of the innocent is an attribute of God. I meant what I said. A social order that held abortionists guilty of murder is something I do imagine, and I have warned the troll that those are the stakes.

The lawyers can put their niceties on the process, and yes, time an opportunity for repentence is a good.

However, malice mocks repentence. Swords are meant for such as this. Our troll now knows it.

In peace"

Fred Keyes said...

The latest political brouhaha also made me wonder whether Charlie was firing up his bandwagon. He would dearly love to see armed conflict to support his political preferences and to somehow, in "the big picture," get proof that he's been right all along.

Were the lines from Shakespeare's Macbeth ever more poignant?

"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time.
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death.
Out, out, brief candle.
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

Fred Keyes said...

So today the President quotes an evangelical pastor--Robert Jeffress--who invokes civil war if Trump is impeached and convicted. Charlie must be insulted that Trump hasn't tweeted out his own call to arms if there is a "coup" in D.C.

Jackisback said...

The use of "coup" rhetoric by CJ was always a display of paranoia. But even the perpetually paranoid should dispense with that word, the dictionary definition of which is: "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government."

An impeachment is a Constitutionally permitted judicial trial, conducted by the representatives of the people, the hoped-for result of which (from the instigators' point of view) is removal from office. It is by definition neither sudden, nor violent, nor illegal. It is political, and was designed to be such. It does not "overturn the results of a previous election." As well, even if the verdict results in removal from office, it does not place any of the instigators in charge of the executive branch of government post-impeachment. Rather the rules of succession take over, meaning Vice President Pence would become President.

The President's defenders are of course free to march to Washington, D.C. to protest an impeachment (i.e., engage in Constitutionally protected free speech) if one in fact takes place (dubious). But if they brings guns with them and brandish them and, God forbid, begin firing them, the rest of us will be witnesses to something that very much appears to be an attempt at a "sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power."

The accusation of a "coup" combined with the threat of an armed march in response to impeachment proceedings, is just one of a fairly long list of peculiar ideas by CJ and his minions, about which they appear to be unaware of their own self-produced irony.

It is odd in the extreme for someone so insistent in his claims to regularly communicate with an angel of God to be so concerned about the things of this world. Instead, why not reconsider Christ's question to the zealots: "Whose head is on the coin?"

Glenn Dallaire said...

Thank you to all who have commented here on this thread recently. The commentary has been insightful and very interesting!

Anonymous said...

The run-up to the last election and inauguration was the high point of Charlie's career. He's decided to go all-in again this time around. He's launched another tour, doing a series of talks in small rooms to the elderly and venerable in second and third tier cities. He's been writing "I told you so" posts congratulating himself on his past predictions on politics. He's easing back into prophecy, too (though he stepped back from that, *temporarily*). Now it's on to rallying the troops, again, to survive The Great Storm. And then emerge as leaders!

I never knew there were so many poor and lonely followers out there. It is just sad. He's deliberately manipulating these folk for his own benefit.

Anonymous said...

And... Charlie also threw Joe Crozier under the bus. No longer welcome at the "all are welcome!" Charlie Johnston site because he kept posting long-winded speeches...

Fred Keyes said...

Jackisback said: "Instead, why not reconsider Christ's question to the zealots: "Whose head is on the coin?"

There's also that Garden of Olives quote to Peter after he cut off the ear of the servant: “Put your sword back into its sheath, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."

Anonymous said...

From Charlie's latest post: A "sign" of mental illness? The world revolves around Charlie, apparently, and the Heavens reflect his life...

Monday, Sept. 23, marked the second anniversary of what I consider the most important sign in the skies of my lifetime: The Revelation 12 sign. Earlier that year, a total solar eclipse moved diagonally across North America from the northwest to the southeast. It caught my attention both because of the unusual sweeping nature of it (going across America like the first bar of a giant “X”) and because it occurred on August 21, 2017, the fifth anniversary of the date I had concluded my pilgrimage across the country. The second bar of the “X” will come in just a few years, on April 8, 2024, sweeping from southwest Texas to northeastern Maine. The center of the X formed by these two eclipse paths separated by seven years will be near Belleville, Illinois, where I lived when revelations of the sexual abuse scandals in the Church first broke out in 2001.

I have always regarded great, visible heavenly signs less as road maps showing us what God is going to do and more as road signs, signaling us to watch for the divine hand in seemingly ordinary events. I regarded the eclipse as something of a prelude to the Revelation 12 sign to come a month later.

Within a couple of weeks after the appearance of the Revelation 12 sign in 2017, the Harvey Weinstein scandal broke, opening a floodgate of revelations of sexual misconduct and abuse by the false moralists in Hollywood, the media and (largely) left-wing politics. Last year, in the month and a half both before and after the anniversary of the appearance of the sign, Archbishop Vigano revealed his damning allegations of the enabling of sexual abuse at the very highest levels of the Church hierarchy; the attempted coup through the Russian collusion hoax was in full melt-down; and the hysterical left had weaponized fallout from the verified accusations of sexual abuse by its heroes to target Judge Brett Kavanaugh, a veritable boy scout, with demonstrably false smears of the same nature.

Former Core Nutter said...

Am I reading Charlie’s latest post correctly? Is he now saying that the Book of Revelation somehow points to him?

Anonymous said...

Also from Charlie, a declaration that the pope is a heretic. But who is Charlie to judge?

Pope Francis says that, while he does not want it, he is not afraid of schism in the Church. Archbishop Carlo Vigano, along with some other key thinkers, believe that, in fact, Pope Francis is trying to provoke a schism. I agree with them. I suspect the Amazon Synod is designed to be the catalyst for that schism – and now the battle is an effort to declare those who are orthodox to be the aggressors...

I think the more telling effort will be that led by Fr. Aidan Nichols charging Pope Francis with heresy. Fr. Nichols is one of the most heavy-weight theologians in the Church today... Fr. Nichols and his fellow signatories maintain that it is not just words that determine heretical beliefs, but actions as well. They document [the Pope's] promotion of heresy through his appointments and promotions of Bishops and Priests who are openly opposed to the Magisterium. The letter makes a compelling case. I encourage you to read it fully and deeply...

Anonymous said...

A fellow I was speaking with told me he thought the 2020 election will be the trigger that unleashes violent revolt. I told him that is the outside limit of when it will occur..........

'Fireworks in Our Future', by Charlie Johnston. (8-5-2019)

Once the next election passes peacefully, what will seer Johnston do? IDK, but probably what he's done all along, i.e. totally ignore his failed prophecy, pretend that he's been correct in the 'overall scope of things', attempt to rally his core nutters with more dire predictions, and temporarily omit any prophetic elements from his blog. After all, what's one wee mistake, by good ole Charlie? Who's even keeping a tally? Charlie has been 100% - wrong, that is. But, hey, what matters is the spotlight; thankfully, Charlie's is down to a penknife.

Jim D.

Jackisback said...

To Anon (October 7, 2019 at 9:17 AM):

Because of your post, I went and looked at CJ's Lurching Toward Gomorrah post. Sorry to say I disagree with your conclusion. This is merely a case of CJ trying to have it both ways (i.e., leaving the impression that he thinks the Pope is heretical, but never actually saying so). As we know, his favorite technique is to gaslight anyone who engages him in argument.
While I see what you are trying to get at, CJ would likely respond by pointing to his disagreement with Bishop Racida's efforts to get the election of Pope Francis declared invalid (due to technicalities): "While I respect the discipline of his effort, I still disagree on the substance. I fear if it were successful, it would expose every Pope who follows Francis to an unending search for technical deficiencies by which they could be suddenly deposed."
So here, CJ puts himself on record as being unwilling to depose Francis.
Then, immediately following the text you quoted above, he supplements this:
"Some orthodox high authorities have disagreed with some or much of it. Well-known Catholic apologist Jimmy Akin wrote a piece completely dismissing it. I normally respect Akin’s work, but I was startled at how superficial his arguments were, how he deployed straw men to avoid the heart of the signatories’ efforts, and was downright offended at how dismissive he was of the qualifications of the signatories. I respect Akin’s work, but on matters of theology, he is not in the same league (or anywhere near it) of Fr. Aidan Nichols. Heaven knows I have disagreed with people who are more knowledgeable than me in certain areas, but when I do, I take great pains to make a clear and precise argument. Above all, I do not condescend to such thinkers.
I suspect that, in the aftermath of the Amazon Synod, November will begin a period of prolonged and intense controversy in the Church. I would like us here to stay focused on broad principles that we hold. I know there will be much commentary – and that is how we reason things out together. But if you pretend to a mastery of subjects that you do not have, you will be called up short or your comment not published. I am very interested in the broad outlook of both mechanics and heart surgeons. We all have something to contribute. But if a mechanic starts authoritatively opining on how my heart surgery should be performed, I will cut him off. If a heart surgeon starts authoritatively opining on how my car’s engine should be rebuilt, I will cut him off, too. Express honestly your concerns and opinions without pretending to expertise you don’t have, and we will be fine."

What I'm trying to say is that when it comes to the various opinions being written by others about Pope Francis (both in critique and in support of the Pope) CJ is taking the tack of a gadfly (meaning someone who disagrees with all other points of view without really expressing his own).
In CJ's world, saying that "...key thinkers, believe that, in fact, Pope Francis is trying to provoke a schism. I agree with them" is not evidence that CJ is accusing the Pope of being per se schismatic himself, or actually accusing the Pope of anything untoward. CJ's use of words is, as always, deceptive - all he is really committing himself to is agreeing with others that say Francis, by his actions, is provoking schism in others. He is therefore not calling the Pope a heretic. He is only agreeing that Francis is attempting to goad others into schism/heresy.
The only lesson to be learned in this particular Lurching Toward Gomorrah post from CJ is to not be tricked into arguing with a gaslighter. I had to laugh at CJ accusing Fr. Akin of using the "straw man" logical fallacy, while CJ then engages in that very tactic in discussing mechanics vs heart surgeons.

Jackisback said...

Jim D.

I agree with your sentiment, even as I continue to pray for CJ, but remember, your quote of CJ's: "A fellow I was speaking with told me he thought the 2020 election will be the trigger that unleashes violent revolt. I told him that is the outside limit of when it will occur..." is another example of CJ not really saying anything of substance. For he can argue that he only meant in the event of a violent revolt occurring, the 2020 election date is the outer bound of a timeline where such violent revolt may occur. While it may seem yet again foolhardy for him to put an expiration date on something like that, there is in his mind no risk to him if nothing happens, because it was "the other fellow's" prediction, not CJ's. And then there is always the potential for him to later split hairs; e.g., what exactly defines "violent revolt" and "by whom?" I wouldn't put it past him to later argue that the antifa riots of 2017 to early 2019 qualified as a fulfillment of this prediction, and all of us are just too dumb to have noticed. This is a tactic that a gaslighter uses. That aspect alone should repel truth seeeking Catholics from his blog. It is a pity that it does not have that effect for everyone.

That said, you are certainly right about CJ batting 0.0000 on predictions/prophecies/locutions that he actually has stuck his neck out on as having come from heavenly sources, as we have studiously documented. And no amount of "overall scope of things" rationalizations can change that fact. It is typical of those who use gaslighting tactics to double down when things don't turn out as they may have hoped, but of course the doubling down makes things worse rather than better. And it makes the things they say to be, in a word, boring. Charity, in the end, compels me to reiterate that I continue to pray for CJ and his followers.

Unknown said...

As I'm reading this article today, December 3, 2019, I had no prior knowledge of this prophesy, but some things occurred to me.

““Presidential prophecy” of Charlie Johnston, namely that Obama will not finish his term and the next leader will not come from the political system (ie.-not elected)”
In my opinion, President Trump did not come from the political system. If that was Charlie’s words, “not come from the political system” he is correct. The interpretation that the next leader will not be elected is not my interpretation of “political system”. President Trump is a total outsider; not a politician. He was elected but not part of the political system.

"...If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

We have had 3 years of “resistance” that has been fomented by Barack Obama and the Democrats. There was no peaceful transition of power to President Trump. The Democrats talked of impeachment prior to the inauguration. In fact, the day after the election left wing protests were announced in 6 cities. It has been non-stop push back on President Trump and the Democrats are hell bent to destroy our Republic and the rule of law by any and all means necessary to remove him from power. After Obama and his attempts to destroy the Republic over 8 long years, the resistance to President Trump is frightening and has brought me even closer to GOD because I trust in HIM that HE has selected this man to do HIS will. I trust in HIS plan.

With regard to the Storm, there has been a great awakening among the people because President Trump has revealed the corruption and showed what the politicians have been doing to the American people. The media has lied to us so much for so long that now with the internet, the people have been able to get another perspective and with President Trump using Twitter to get his message out, the people are seeing that we have been lied to about many things. Perhaps that’s what was meant by the Storm.

Again, in my opinion, looking back the prophecy seems to be right on.

That’s my 2 cents. Peace.

Unknown said...

As an outsider, first time visitor to this blog, reading the comments I am a bit surprised since this statement is just above the comment box.

"Please keep in mind that this is a Catholic based website, therefore all comments should be charitable and considerate of others in conformity with christian principles and practices."

It appears that many people need to go to confession in this Advent season for their unkind words about Charlie Johnston. I don't know about this person and his prophecies but what if he is receiving prophecy, who are you all to be his judge? Sheesh, some comments are cringe worthy in their uncharitableness. Seems like you all are just perfect. Shame on you. We are all sinners, human and all make mistakes. Peace.

Jackisback said...

To Unknown at December 3, 2019 11:58 PM:

You said: "...but what if he is receiving prophecy, who are you all to be his judge?"

Actually, we don't judge, but we simply point out that Deuteronomy 18:22 does judge: "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

Since you claim to be new to this thread, you can be forgiven for not scrolling back to the discussions we have had on this point, ad nauseam. As to charitableness, some of us make clear that, even as CJ has judged himself by his own words (again, just scroll back to find out how he has done this repeatedly) we still pray for him and most importantly, we pray for his followers.

Virtually all other false prophets of the recent past (e.g., LTTW) vanished from the prophesying business when they were found to be presumptuous. We simply hold CJ to that same level of accountability, and wonder why others do not. That CJ continues onwward with implications of holding secret knowledge about the future (from a heavenly source) is worthy of rebuke, especially when his "batting average" is, and always has been, .0000.

But like I said, most of us here try to balance rebuke with charity. And by the way, straw man arguments (e.g., "seems like you all are just perfect") will not earn you much in the way of respect on this thread. No one here, to my knowledge, has made a claim of perfection. Tilt at that windmill all you like, but it holds no water as an argument of substance. I'd advise you to read up on the entire history of CJ as documented Glenn. And then, consider a question: which is worse - rebuking a self-proclaimed "prophet" who has been shown, by his own admission, to have spoken presumptuously - or - clinging to every word of such a person?

Keeping CJ in my prayers. Peace.

Anonymous said...

Another good reason to avoid Charlie Johnston's prophecies, especially for those who are Catholic, is because they have been "measured, weighed and found wanting" by his archbishop, who looked into his alleged revelations. The Archdiocese of Denver's second public warning against Johnston:

Dave Uebbing
Interim Director of Communications
Archdiocese of Denver
(303) 715-3230

Mrs. Beckie Hesse, using the online profile “Beckita,” stated in a Feb. 7, 2017 blog post titled “The RESCUE Has Begun” that the messages of the alleged visionary Mr. Charlie Johnston, who resides in the Archdiocese of Denver, “have been fully approved by the Church.” In order to ensure that the faithful are correctly informed, it is necessary to publicly state that Mrs. Hesse’s claim is false.

In fact, Mr. Johnston’s alleged messages were reviewed by an archdiocesan theological commission and Archbishop Samuel J. Aquila determined that the faithful should be warned to be prudent and cautious about Mr. Johnston’s predictions. In addition, Mr. Johnston is not permitted to speak in Church-owned venues in the Archdiocese of Denver. Read Archbishop Aquila’s message, here.

The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid.

Glenn Dallaire said...

Jackisback and Anonymous (directly above),
Very informative and thoughtful replies! Thank you both.

Fred Keyes said...

I don't follow Charlie's latest pontifications on covid-19. I can imagine that he may be claiming prophetic knowledge that it was coming or perhaps it's part of the "grand sweep" of dreadful things he said would happen. At this point of course he's thoroughly discredited except perhaps for the remaining nutters. Bless his heart....and theirs.

Anonymous said...

"I have been appalled at the explosion of fearful prophetic poppycock this crisis has sparked. I have watched with bemusement as some who joined in my public pummeling after my errors a few years back now eagerly assure all that they told you all along what was coming and now know in precise detail what God is going to do from here on out."

From Seer Johnston's latest post 'BE NOT AFRAID, THE DARKNESS SHALL NOT PREVAIL' on ASOH. He cites his errors? All he ever presented were (grave & misleading) errors and false predictions. He keeps on posting blogs, head held high, no doubt. Some poor lost souls will continue to follow his nonsense. UNBELIEVABLE.

Jim D.

Anonymous said...

"First, I always emphasized that my message was NOT that God was close to me (though I profoundly hope and pray for that to be always true), but that He is close to you, right at hand and waiting for you to call on Him with confident hope. I maintained that even if I was right on everything, it would not do you the good you think it would, for my mission is not your mission – and God will hold you to account for the fidelity you live to the mission He has set aside for you. I told you that God does not disclose the fullness of His mind to anyone (and even if He did, we are not capable of absorbing it – it would be as futile as trying to pour the ocean into a 10-oz. tumbler) – that whatever we think we know, we will err in at least some important parts of it, either substantively or by faulty interpretation. I told you, repeatedly, that I would be wrong on some things. Why speak at all if such was to be the case? Because our expectations are all wrong. We think that if we know the details, we can form a plan of our own devising to solve everything. That is not what God intends. Our salvation does NOT depend on us being so clever that we figure everything out, as if it were some sort of puzzle box. We seek to solve it, and present the work of our hands to God in proof that we don’t really need Him – we just need a little info from Him so we can kick Him to the curb and make our own plan."

I WOULD BE WRONG ON SOME THINGS........more snake oil. SMH.

Jim D.

Jackisback said...

Hello Jim D.,

Here's to hoping you and your family & friends are all hale and healthy.

You are, of course, right to call out CJ for the above paragraph. It is an example of what the dyed-in-the-wool gaslighters of this world would consider to be a "work of art" in their community. There is also the usual assortment of multiple logical fallacies embedded, but at this point is a waste of time to go through it. Anyone still taking CJ seriously on any front has illusionment issues that no amount of well-reasoned argument from us can dispel.

God bless Jim!

Anonymous said...

Hi Jack;

You are, of course, correct. On this thread, we've covered Charlie's lies & delusions ad nauseum. I guess what I simply can't wrap my mind around is how this man can hold his head high and how his cult can continue to enables him. I find it somehow interesting and disturbing concomitantly. I do pray for them. Viva Christo Rey.

Jim D.

Anonymous said...

The latest from Charlie J. See how he continues to contradict himself!!

From "The Everlasting Story"

"Since a whole lot of people who would rather sound smart than actually be smart are making all sorts of absurd claims, here are a few tips on improving normal temporal discernment. First, when looking at a website, if the author does not give his real or entire name, don’t read a word of it. If he has a disclaimer saying that everything there is “one man’s opinion,” don’t read a word of it. He takes no responsibility for the factual claims he makes and is probably just making it up as he goes along. If you fall for this, you make yourself his chump..."

And now on to Disqus. See how Charlie uses a fake name "Joe D" to go on the internet and blast people he disagrees with. So much for a person who claims to speak in the name of God!!

Discussion on American Greatness 65 comments
Why the Media’s Coronavirus Campaign Is Failing
Joe D
Joe D si91 21 days ago

What a revisionist crock. Can't you pause the trolling until the crisis is past? Then you can be a vicious little twerp once more to your heart's content. Obama...seriously?! At least come up with something plausible.

Anonymous said...

Forgot to add this,this is where Charlie J's comments are on Disqus under his fake name,

And this is where his latest blog post is,

Fred Keyes said...

Longish article but worth the time from the Atlantic today:

There is talk among these conspiracy theorists of a storm. Did they get the idea from Charlie or vice-versa?

Be well, all.


Glenn Dallaire said...

Thanks for sharing the link Fred. Interesting article. I personally am not much of a "Q" fan, as I find much of what is said to be way too distant from the actual reality of facts on the ground (ie- for example the alleged thousands of sealed indictments for those of the deep State "pedophile ring", the soon to be takedown of the "Deep State" and the forthcoming triumph of, and takeover by the "patriots" in our US Government. The ongoing reality of news and facts that come out each day show that much of what "Q" and the "patriots" are saying is just simply wishful thinking, and is really simply not happening. While Trump has done some positive things here and there, he has also done some things that fall right in line with what would be considered deep State agenda.

So, if you care to share what's your take?
-Glenn Dallaire

Charlotte said...

The prophesy failed only if you follow only the mainstream media, who hate this president for the same reasons so many of the politicians, bankers, big pharma, and Hollywood entertainers hate him. He is destroying their money base to which they are all committed and for which they have signed on. The "Storm" has indeed come. Thousands of corrupt CEOs resigned after the Dec 2017 Executive Order which froze the assets of all those known to engage in human trafficking. This is also why these people want open borders, which no other country in the world allows.
This administration has eliminated the Federal Reserve, which stole money from the taxpayers over the decades. The Fed was neither federal, nor was it a reserve for the people. Trump is now director of the Fed and money is coming back to the people. There is financial reset throughout the world. People with spiritual beliefs, of all people, should not listen the mainstream media. They are professional liars. I do not belong to a political party, and am not a close follower of apparations. But I do know that this storm has indded occurred, and continues. The prophesy was correct. It is the media all around us that is lying.

Anonymous said...

It’s been a long long time since I’ve posted here. Years I’d say. I’m not surprised people are still talking about Charlie. It is interesting to note, however, that it is beginning to appear that Charlie was off by four years - a full presidential term. Charlie had a lot of crazy prophecies, for sure. Like Islam converting, etc. But for anyone who follows “seers” there certainly seems to be quite a few now who are prophesying about this year, in the Fall, being the year that all these decades of meesages come to fruition? Putting a date on a prophesied event certainly will make or break a prophet. It’s risky. So if we make it through 2020 without a myriad of debacles and chaos, I can think of three more “seers” whose credibility must go the way of CJ and Locutionists. On side note, there have been so many “prophets” over the last several decades, with nothing happening, that I think interest in these End Tmes prophets has got to be waning somewhat. Can anyone think of a prophecy since The Fatima miracle that came to fruition right on time as announced? But alas, I think this COVID business has revitalized a lot of speculation about the end tmes and mark of the beast and one world governments, etc.

TJ said...

To anonymous above,

You seem to be suggesting that Charlie may in fact be a true prophet, however his dates were wrong and his prophecies were wrong.

Anonymous said...

To TJ from anonymous

I’m not suggesting Charlie is vindicated in any way; clearly he was wrong on most every account. Even his argument that he got “the sweep of things correct” is not plausible. It was all just too wrong and whacky to give him any credit, right? But for a moment, let me set up a scenario for you - regarding this election year - wherein Charlie’s prophecy is possibly fulfilled, only four years later than expected.
If you follow this sort of “prophecy” (and I do for reasons I won’t go into here) then you might be aware that there are multiple “seers” (two of which are priests, if that makes any difference - but why would it?) who are suggesting that this summer/fall will be the illumination of conscience and the coming of chaos shortly thereafter (a thing Catholics have heard about for many decades, even centuries; indeed, a thing almost entirely conceived within their religious prophecy alone). Another particular “seer” suggested in her recent message that she was told that this past Devine Mercy Sunday was the last Devine Mercy Sunday in which to gain that particular plenary indulgence. Yet another seer (these are all different people btw) is indicating that this summer is the last summer in which to “repent.” Etc etc etc.. I could go on, because this summer/fall time frame is a common thread running through the world of prophecy right now, but let’s keep it simple. Bottom line is, these “prophets” I mention here, who have put it out there in a definitive way, are risking everything. That is, if they are wrong, they go the way of Charlie. And all of them have been on “the scene” for years. But yet, they insist that this is - finally? -the year! Odd, right?
So let’s say this illumination of conscience DID happen this fall, it could be an event that, like Charlie prophesied, converts Islam, subverts an election, post-pones an inauguration, causes calamity, causes chaos, etc. all the above. Maybe nations blame other nations. Maybe such an “illumination of conscience” does not produce a thoughtful recollection of our lives, but instead lays bare the malevolence in the hearts of men. Maybe things turn wild instead of peaceful. Who knows?
If we are open-minded, and not just here to lay waste to the quackery of “prophesying,” then I would humbly submit to you the following:
Charlie could be right, just four years later. Much of what he predicted could take place in a relatively brief amount of time if, after all these many decades of non-stop Catholic prophecy, a startling event like the illumination of conscience took place, ala Garabandal et al.
Further what if Charlie’s angel showed Charlie THIS election, and Charlie just read into it OBama/Trump etc?
Okay, well I’m not going to go hog wild here suggesting Charlie was onto something, just off by four years, but it is odd that there are multiple other seers now predicting a major event that coincides with our election.
I don’t think anything like COVID, or write-in-ballots, etc, could alter an inauguration, but something Devine certainly could.
In the end, I’m just sort of playing the devil’s advocate here. Not that this is the appropriate site to be such an advocate.
Glenn does a great job, and a DEVIL’S advocate may not be welcomed here!
Nevertheless.... food for thought? Or are all the centuries of Catholic prophecy just a house of cards we get to “knock” down over and over and over.

Glenn Dallaire said...

Hi Anonymous (directly above),
First and foremost, of course your comments are very welcome here, as it is interesting to get a variety of perspectives on all things.

So here is my take: There are several reasons why Charlie's alleged revelations could not simply be 3 or 4 years off. Let's recap Charlie's prophecies. Firstly, he was purportedly given a specific date by his "angel" when the "Rescue" would occur, that being "late 2017". And Charlie initially made the mistake of saying October 2017, but his "angel" corrected him on the time period, stating "late 2017".

Since an authentic angel sent by God cannot be wrong, and this prophecy did not occur, thus we we have one of what would become several failed prophecies. Prior to this "rescue" Charlie predicted a worldwide "storm" that was supposed to occur, hence necessitating the "rescue" in late 2017. Most would agree that no such worldwide storm occurred during that time period either, as that time period prior to late 2017 was no more tumultuous than the years before or after.

The next failed prophecy of Charlie was actually a double-failure prophecy coined "the Presidential prophecy"--that being that "Obama will not finish his term and the next leader will not come from the political system" (ie.-not elected). And we all know what happened--Trump was elected and inaugurated, and Obama peacefully finished his term, hence a double fail.

These were all very specific prophecies tied to specific occurrences within specific time frames, and they simply did not occur as predicted. So Charlie and/or his "angel" was simply wrong in these cases, revealing that these revelations were not from God.

Now, as you say its indeed possible that some of what Charlie predicted might eventually occur someday, like the worldwide economic collapse, a war with China etc.., but this would not really be to much to Charlie's credit, simply because "a broken clock is still correct twice a day", meaning that one can make a shotgun spattering of generic predictions and is bound to be right in some of them.

In short, being "correct in the general sweep of things" (as Charlie has assessed his predictions in a statement after these aforementioned failures) does not actually ring authentic in what concerns heavenly prophecies. Being close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades as the saying goes. For sure, human reckoning and predictions are very, very different than heavenly prophecies and foretelling, and we all know that being "correct in the general sweep of things" does not cut the mustard for authentic prophets with heavenly prophecies.

On another note, if you have time at some point I think it would be interesting to get a summary of the persons and prophecies that you have come across pertaining to the summer/fall time frame which as you mentioned seems to be a common thread running through the world of prophecy right now. Of particular interest for this website would be Catholic persons. Again only if you have the time. You can post a summary here if you would like, or if its too long to post here I would consider posting a guest article on the subject, as I think it would make for some interesting reading and discussion.

Thank you (and everyone here) for your ongoing comments and discussion!
May God bless you and your loved ones,
Glenn Dallaire

Jackisback said...


You sound a lot like so many of the CJ defenders that have shown up here to needlessly troll this thread. In fact you sound a lot like a particular CJ defender, which makes me wonder if you have just changed your screen name.

In any case, you are not entitled to your own set of facts:

1. "He is destroying their money base to which they are all committed and for which they have signed on." If only a President had such power! But no President has or has had any such power, with the exception of Andrew Jackson, who dispensed with the central bank during his tenure. Destruction of the monetary base falls solely in the perview of the Federal Reserve Chairman, Jerome Powell, who functions in his role independent of the President (and even then, the chairman must cajole votes from the members of the Federal Open Market Committee). There is no doubt that the Fed Chairman has debased our currency in the wake of COVID-19 (via expansion of the monetary base - he described how he does this on "60 Minutes") but so has every other country, and, in a world of fiat currencies, the value of the US dollar hasn't changed that much relative to other currencies. We're in a currency war, for certain, but it is being waged by the Federal Reserve, not the President.

2. "Thousands of corrupt CEOs resigned after the Dec 2017 Executive Order which froze the assets of all those known to engage in human trafficking." Not so. The executive order in question contained a lising of exactly 13 discrete names. The Treasury Department expanded the list to 52 discrete names. You cite no source for your claim of "thousands."

3. "This administration has eliminated the Federal Reserve, which stole money from the taxpayers over the decades. The Fed was neither federal, nor was it a reserve for the people. Trump is now director of the Fed and money is coming back to the people. There is financial reset throughout the world." Not so. Jerome Powell and the Federal Open Market Committee still maintain their independence, despite jawboning from President Trump. The President has the theoretical ability to fire Mr. Powell whenever he chooses. But absent an action to fire him, the President has no ability to tell the Fed Chairman how to do his job.

These are facts and while the are subject to dispute, you have the obligation of backing up your assertions with evidence, which is lacking here, so far.

All of your other assertions in your post are statements of opinion, without evidence to back them up. As such, no one on this thread is impressed.

If it was your intent to defend CJ, your attempt was unpersuasive. CJ's assertions called upon the logical fallacy of appealing to authority (God) in the making of his so-called "prophecies." But since they did not come to pass, and still not have come to pass, we remain, collectively, in the shoes of those who heeded the advice in Deuteronomy, "if a prophet makes claims about the future that do not come to pass, you need not fear him."

Fred Keyes said...

Hi Glenn,

In response to your May 14 entry--I agree that QAnon's conspiracy theories are sheer lunacy, except for the fact that they have an evil, nefarious objective. And they dangerously line up with an attack on democracy that threatens to unravel the country. What bothers me the most is their use of religion to further their cause. Charlie was a good example of that, and now the Trumpers are doing it, following Trump like lemmings to sacred places of worship in one of the most public acts of sacrilege that I've ever witnessed.

Anonymous said...

These days Charlie J is old news.

The new "hot" prophet is Fr. Michel Rodrigue, a French-Canadian priest, and founder of a new religious order -- OR lay association--he and his bishop are publicly split, apparently, over what exactly what it is that he's doing.

This has had the happy effect of causing dissension in the ranks of Charlie's followers!

Fr. Rodrigue came into view late last year. He said God wanted people to go to confession right away; start food and water for a coming disruption; and that he would stop traveling in February. He also predicts a great tribulation starting this coming October. Among the details in his prophecies: Seven nukes will hit the US. So...

Mark Mallett, Christine Walkins and two other writers who delve into prophecy are pushing Fr. Rodrigue's messages, hard. They set up a website with a section on the good father, here:

It includes a recent statement from the Bishop of Amos, Canada, that says he was unaware of Fr. Rodrigue's claims and does not support them.

Glenn, I would advise steering clear of this. The same nutters that swarmed your posts over Charlie are out in force in favor of this new prophet.

At least, Fr. Rodrigue's timeline is short.

Glenn Dallaire said...

Hi Anonymous (directly above),
Thanks for the information and link that you provided.

I too have come across some of this information in recent months, particularly concerning Fr. Rodrigue (I watched a few of his video retreats) along with a couple of other purported visionaries on that website, though I have not delved all that deeply into any of the persons and info presented. The reason being--as I have stated on the Home page of this website--is that I tend to try to distance myself from purported living mystics/visionaries, simply because the vast majority are false/misled, as the long history of such persons have showed.

Its not to say I would not--or will not--report on such persons, its simply that I'm reluctant to do so, unless I feel impelled to do so. And so in these recent spate of predictions and prophecies so far up to this point I have not done any reporting on them, though maybe I may at some point. If I do it is always under the category "We report, you discern".

Anyway, thanks again for your commentary--it was very interesting to read.
May God bless you and your loved ones,

Glenn Dallaire said...

Also, thanks Fred and Jackisback for your recent comments also--both of which I read with much interest. Thanks for your ongoing discussion and support of this website!

Anonymous said...

Hmmm... it’s interesting that anonymous above refers to the followers of Fr Rodrigue as “nutters.” And also, how easily Fred Keyes lumps “Trumpers” (deplorables) into one big group “following Trump like lemmings to sacred places of worship in one of the most public acts of sacrilege that I've ever witnessed.” I’m curious what that sacrilege was. Even discussion here comes with all the baggage we might see on CNN or FOX, it seems.
I posted above not long ago that there was a group of “seers” calling for some of the radical disruptions, etc, for this Fall. Similar to Charlie’s, but not necessarily vindicating good old Charlie. Yes, Fr Rodrigue was one of them. To my knowledge, none of them are actually tying it to the election. I also know of another priest calling for the same thing, and same basic time frame. I’ll remain open to them. I guess that makes me a nutter. I’ve been called worse, for sure. But lastly, one of the interesting “tells” of the times might be that, clearly, we cannot seem to escape name calling, baiting, degrading, dismissing the integrity of entire sections of the population with a wave of the hand, to make our point. Not even here. Maybe it is time. Like I said, I’ll remain open to it, and hopeful. Nothing else but an intervention from God will save us now, I believe. Just look around.

Jackisback said...

"Nothing else but an intervention from God will save us now, I believe. Just look around."

And yet, you speak of "baiting" just a few sentences earlier? Save us from what? I'm certain that there were many around the world who felt the same way as you during the major world wars.

In any case, we were saved approximately 2,000 years ago, remember?

We were never promised any additional temporal interventions by God to "save" our mortal selves from the evil acts of others. We were only promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church. That, and a second coming.

So unless you are making the case that the "end is nigh" - why would discerning person take you seriously?

Jackisback said...

meant to say "any discerning person..."

Anonymous said...

Yes, Jackisback, we were saved 2000 years ago. I remember. No more revelation from the Living God. The final word in Revelations was it. Period. We re on our own now, with no further revelation from God. So it’s all mumbo jumbo from now, not to be sifted.
And regarding “save us from what” and “there were many in World wars who felt like I did? “
During the last world war, was abortion legal? How many sexes were there? 2 or 52? How many cardinals in WWII condoned homosexuality openly? Was the pope during WWII imbuing “Mother Earth” with a spiritual nature? Ad infinitum etc’s can be here...
So in answer to question, “save us from what,” I must wonder what utopia you reside in.
Save us from ourselves!

Jackisback said...

Details, details. No need to take your frustrations out on me. He told us directly that His kingdom "is not of this world." Get over it.

If you trust that He meant what He said, then the particular facts on the ground (that is, "our ground" in the temporal world) in our age, displaying that we've ventured far away from God, differ merely in degree from the facts on the ground during prior ages in history. It is a repetitive occurrence - that the people of God stray from Him, and then are called back. Some 500 years ago, there was "salvation by the pound sterling" (referencing the cash payment for indulgences) and divorces (extremely scandalous at that time and easily as novel at that time as the modern day examples that you cite). Luther raised a fuss, and when push came to shove, we ended up with the splintering of the Church from one into many, each claiming to be the "true" Church of God.

And yet we survived. Stop whining. If you agree that the end is not nigh, then stop looking for a Godly intervention. Remember the parable "If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.”

So there's that, not to mention the part where he assures us that the wheat and the weeds grow together and are separated later. So quit wishing for a heavenly weed-eater to be sent to us in our time. It's a fool's errand.

If orthodoxy is so important to you, there is always Rod Dreher's Benedict Option, among other alternataives.

Anonymous said...

Anon (June 4), don't bother. You're not likely to be edified or edify what's left of the couple of cynical old goats munching on this dry briar patch.

Johnston derangement syndrome leads them to even go so far as to deny millenia of what the Saints & Prophets have had to say. Oh, have your opinion and say your piece about Johnston, but denying the latter is simply foolish.

"Stop looking for a Godly intervention?" Jack knows better, because even the Lord's prayer addresses Godly interventions (temporally too)... or is he going to deny the Lord's Word too?

I'd say he should grow up, but the Lord already said what he had to say to such as these here in Matthew 11:25.

Oh, despite downplaying anything Johnston, and feigned exhortations for folks to move along to more important matters, I fully expect Jack and probably Fred Keyes to swing back and throw additional little tantrums out of intellectual pride, banging on their wee pots and pans.

Move along, Anon.

Fred Keyes said...

Anonymous, that the President of the United States would clear out a peaceful crowd with tear gas, mounted policemen, various agencies' law enforcement members and even the clergy belonging to St. John's Church near the White House, in order for a photo op holding up a Bible: THAT is a sacrilege, IMHO. And yet his followers see no evil in what he did. There is a great need of repentance for those who support a president who persecutes the poor while playing fast and loose with the truth.

As for Fr. Michel Rodrigue I'd go with his bishop: color me a skeptic. All of these prophecies seem to follow the same pattern, and yet very few of them since Medjugorje have been approved nor have the prophecies panned out. Like the Church itself I don't rule anything out but neither do I worry about those dreadful prophecies. Our job is to live good Christian lives whatever the world throws at us.

Christ commanded us to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself." THAT is our charge. Chasing apparitions and dubious mystics won't get us where we need to go. There's a quote from a "A Man for All Seasons" which exemplifies what I'm talking about with respect to the way we comport ourselves in difficult times (speaking here about the oath King Henry VIII was requiring all of his subjects to take confirming Henry as head of the church in England).:

Sir Thomas More : Listen, Meg, God made the angels to show Him splendor, as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But Man He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of his mind. If He suffers us to come to such a case that there is no escaping, then we may stand to our tackle as best we can, and, yes, Meg, then we can clamor like champions, if we have the spittle for it. But it's God's part, not our own, to bring ourselves to such a pass. Our natural business lies in escaping. If I can take the oath, I will.

Fred Keyes said...

Henry of course didn't take the oath. His head was chopped off for refusing to go along with a corrupt, vain leader.

Fred Keyes said...

Sorry...not Henry... I meant St. Sir Thomas More.

Fred Keyes said...

Anonymous: If you had been here over the past few years (have you?) you would know that Jack is as solid a Catholic as you will find. Ad hominem attacks against him are, and should be, truly out of bounds.

Do we sometimes get it wrong? I.e., are we sinners? Yup, I certainly am and yes, I get it wrong and sometimes my ad hominem remarks get away from me. I apologize for that. But I don't judge you. My remarks are aimed at events and ideas as I see them certainly not at you personally.

Fred Keyes said...

Another thought: It occurs to me that while some look at tea leaves through the various seers like Fr. Rodrigue, they miss the earth shaking events that are happening around us. Isn't there a warning of sorts with what's happening with the environment? Isn't there a warning about how we should be treating one another in the midst of a pandemic? Don't we see the evil that caused us to support systems of law enforcement that war on the lives of dark-skinned people? Are we listening to God's voice in those events?

Luke 12:54
He also said to the crowds, “When you see [a] cloud rising in the west you say immediately that it is going to rain—and so it does;
and when you notice that the wind is blowing from the south you say that it is going to be hot—and so it is.
You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky; why do you not know how to interpret the present time?

Jackisback said...

Anon at 11:58 a.m.,

Non sequiturs are unpersuasive of any point you may think you are trying to make. And by the way, Matthew 11:25 is precisely applicable to CJ and his followers, for he claimed, to be not just learned and wise, but he also claimed to have secret knowledge of the future vis-a-vis predicted spectacular events in 2016 and 2017, which of course did not come to pass.

I say again, with malice toward none, it is now, as it was then, a fool's errand.

Anonymous said...

Bam-bam-bam-bam. Clankety-clank. Right on cue.

David said...

To Jack (is back)... Could you check out and comment on Glenn’s new post yesterday called “ Will a Purification for humanity begin in Fall 2020“. I’ve always appreciated your thoughtful comments. Thanks!

Anonymous said...


I am so sorry to see you've abandoned your pledge not to cover living "visionaries" after the Charlie Johnston debacle. Please contact Fr. Michel Rodrigue's bishop, Bishop Gilles Lemay, in the diocese of Amos in Quebec, rather than rely on the Countdown to the Kingdom website. These are such sensational predictions--7 nukes hitting the US in the immediate future--that it's bound to generate anxiety in some.

Fr. Rodrigue's bishop has said he was unaware of Fr. Rodrigue's messages, which had not been submitted to him, contrary to claims. He also said Father Rodrigue's order is a "lay association" of the faithful and not a religious order--which brings up the question of why Father Rodrigue is raising money to build two monasteries. There are many issues here.

Glenn Dallaire said...

Hello Anonymous (directly above),
Thank you for your comments--I sincerely appreciate it. You raise several good points, and
I would like to respond to a couple of your comments.

Firstly, while I have always been reluctant to write about living visionaries/mystics, I definitely have never pledged that I would not do so. Living visionaries are often controversial--and this is why I definitely tend to highlight mostly deceased mystics here on this website. But once in a while I like to touch upon current alleged prophets of our time to document some of what's currently going on in the visionary/mystic/prophetic world. I do so not without some reservations though! Nevertheless, if my email inbox repeatedly gets "pinged" concerning a certain alleged mystic/visionary/prophet as it certainly has with Fr. Rodrigue, then I feel obliged to investigate and write about it---always however under the category of "We report, you discern".

The information that I have concerning Fr. Rodrigue is that while his bishop has approved of and supports Fr. Rodtigue's "Lay Association" and his overall apostolate, he (very rightly!) wants to distance himself from Fr. Rodrigue's purported visions and predictions.

In fact, personally I definitely think that it is always a good idea for bishops to be very cautious and prudent concerning purported visionaries---especially in what concern alleged grave "heavenly warnings", predictions and alleged messages from heaven. The key is for them and all of us of course is to be cautious, but without being cynical, but unfortunately historically one can find many bishops who have dismissed all mystics/visionaries outright, which is not good either. For sure It can be difficult to strike a balance between being open to the workings of Holy Spirit, and being swayed or deceived by misled or false visionaries/mystics. But as far as I can tell it appears that Fr. Rodrigue has been obedient to his bishop, so this obviously is definitely a good sign.

As for the Countdown to the Kingdom site, I recently read through quite a bit of it and I found the information presented there to be interesting--of course I'm very cautiously prudent concerning alleged visionaries--especially living ones, as I have learned the hard way over the years with my own personal experiences in this regard. As you probably know, St Paul of the Cross said that 9 out of 10 visionaries are misled/false, and I believe that he was probably quite right--not to mention that he is considered a great mystic himself, he therefore should well know. So obviously much caution is in order concerning the persons presented on the Countdown to the Kingdom site.

Finally, I would just like to point out that in the article I wrote I did not refer to Fr. Rodrigue's Community as a "Religious Order"--I referred to it as a "religious Community", which is one of the commonly used terms that can be used to define such groups. With that said, you are correct that strictly speaking the Church almost always defines new religious Communities under the category of "Lay Associations", and only later do they sometimes get defined as "Religious Orders". As such its common for new Lay Associations to fundraise to support their mission--including fundraising for buildings etc.
Anyway, thanks to your clarification I did edit the article to state that the religious Community he founded is officially a "Lay Association".

Thanks again for your comments and may God bless you and your loved ones,
Glenn Dallaire

Jackisback said...

To David (at 10:28 A.M.)

Are you asking me to post on that new thread vis-a-vis Fr. Rodrique? Perhaps I may do that at some point - on that very thread itself - but I won't do that here. Above, you can see others posting as "Anonymous" attempting to bait everyone into debating other so-called "seers" predicting doom and gloom in the near future - very transparently attempting to re-boost CJ's reputation by association with these other new participants.

I am glad Glenn started a new thread to discuss the newcomers on the scene, as this thread was always devoted to debate and properly discern CJ's claims, all of which were proven false.

However, I may very well not post any thoughts on the new thread, unless things were to change in the general landscape. You may or may not recall that the only reason I began posting on the threads here, devoted to discussing CJ, was that he had begun to receive tacit (though in some cases unintentional) "approval" or at least treated with a certain amount of credence by otherwise upstanding Catholics or Catholic news sources - at the time the most egregious example was Patrick Madrid granting CJ a radio interview on Immaculate Heart Radio. In my mind, Patrick still owes his listeners an apology for that mind-bending error in judgement.

David said...

Hello Jack,

Yes, I was hoping we might see you periodically post your assessment of Fr. Rodrique on the new thread Glenn started. You helped keep me relatively sane and grounded, and I suspect others as well, who were caught up with Charlie Johnston. When I read Fr. Rodrique‘s predictions my initial reaction was ‘here we go again’ particularly with Father’s recommendation that we stockpile 3 months of food and water. To this day my basement still holds part of my stockpiles from when I was preparing for his prophecies to be fulfilled.

Fred Keyes said...

Re: stockpiling food——being a prepper who hoards food seems to me to be a trap for anyone who wishes to follow gospel values. Those values repeatedly admonish us to share what we have with those who are in need. And looking at the long lines of people who need food these days, how can we not share what we have?

Fred Keyes said...

Has anyone noticed one of the mottos of QAnon?

"The storm is here."

I wonder where that language came from? Nutters are running amuck.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Fred, what would the whole wide world do without you and the coupla' other geniuses here to keep us all straight. Blind Pharisee!

Jackisback said...

Anonymous August 25, 2020 at 7:23 PM,

Fred's commentary history on this thread is one of discernment. Your comment here is pejorative ad hominem attack, and thus has zero discernment value. Other than trolling, what could possibly be your purpose here?

Anonymous said...

Oh, yes, Fred's slurs here such as "nutters" on the lighter side, and worse, as well as your itchy finger on the "ad hominem" trigger to rush to his defense when someone calls him out for his cantankerous opining. Not every observation on character, as well documented as Fred's on this thread, is ad hominem attack, Jack.

Discernment? Give me a break.

Jackisback said...

We have argued at length about how purveyors of a so-called "storm" are ridiculously off base, intellectually, as well as fear-mongerers (especially with respect to their advice about stockpiling food, spending money creating "survival bunkers," etc.). We have demonstrated, by evidence and argument, how so many, many, many eras in world history were far, far more "stormy." Fred's characterization of such folks as nutters may sound harsh, but it is at least based upon the things they say and do.

You described Fred as a blind Pharisee. You did so without even attempting a substantive argument about why that pejorative term would be justified in Fred's case. What part of Fred's argument about stockpiling food or the general purveying of "storm" theories do you actually diagree with, and why? If you're not prepared to do this, you are admitting to troll behavior.

We get it that you dislike Fred and others on this thread. Simple repetition of such sentiment is anti-intellectual and boring in the extreme.

Anonymous said...

Your intellectual arrogance and religious pomposity is what's truly boring, Jack. Slice my character observation any way you want, but I find the two of your to be a couple of bullies of the letter, and neither very formidable as you snuff out Spirit. Thus, Pharisees! Here's something new to try: just let that sink in quietly without the need to come back with your one dimensional and rigid blather. That might actually impress someone.

Jackisback said...

Tu quoque fallacy is unpersuasive. To claim to know someone else's character or someone else's approach to the spiritual side of their faith, or to insinuate that you know the heart of another is presumptuous and judgemental beyond the pale.

"Bullies of the letter?" If refusing to accept arguments that are rife with logical fallacies (or refusing to accept the lack of actual arguments) is your definition of bullying, then I certainly plead guilty.

Two questions: Do you have any other approach to the debate about CJ's claims to be a prophet other than the sheer emotionalism that you have displayed so far? Is it your position that emotions constitute the foundation of spiritual faith?

Anonymous said...

Do you want me to slam that rigid, one dimensional retort too, Jack, or are you just going to censor it again.

Jackisback said...

Censor? This thread is the antithesis of suppression of discussion. It's just that all discussion is subject to free debate. You're free to "slam" and to pejoratively characterize my responses to your heart's content. But when you do so, I am free to point out the logical fallacies that you utilize as well as the fact that you fail to respond to any substantive argument with your own substantive argument. As well, you consistently fail to answer any reasonable questions put to you. Since this thread is about discernment, it's natural to wonder why that is the case.

It's also worth mentioning that, for all of your baiting and personal attacks on others here, neither Fred, nor I, nor any of the other regular contributors have treated you badly. Our attempts at debate with you have been limited to addressing the content of what you say, whereas you rage about a claimed lack of of charity by others, while being uncharitable toward them in the extreme.

And yet, no one will tell you that you cannot continue to post comments here.

Fred Keyes said...

Thanks for the good words, Jack. I apparently touched a nerve. I can and do get snarky. I apologize for that to our critic. That there is a new kind of Gnosticism afoot is a concern. Qoheleth is right: Nothing new under the sun. That the new Gnostics will react is to be expected. Nobody likes to think they're wrong.

But on apparitions, locutions, etc., I'm from Missouri.

Jackisback said...

Right there with you Fred. Like you, I don't begrudge anyone their belief in any apparation (Church approved or not). But when the person involved makes claims of having repetitive life-long dialogues with Mary, an Angel, and sometimes the Lord Himself, as CJ has done, and makes claims of gloom and doom events to occur not later than "date X" because he (or she) was "specifically told" to communicate "date X" - and then nothing happens - that person has "spoken presumptuously" and I need not fear him (or her) because, as you say, your "Show-Me-State" test has been failed.

What you were pointing out is simply that the storm rhetoric is being regurgitated for multiple purposes, and that stockpiling food based on that is nutty, and not really a Catholic virtue.

Donald Link said...

I would note that this article seems to confirm that time honored belief that if the Almighty wishes to impart knowledge of future events, He will present them as believable and clear. It appears that these comments of Johnston do not meet that criteria. For the secular skeptic, I would also add that the principle of Oakum's razor is not in play here as there is simply no reconciling what Charlie has said with the actual events that have transpired. Comparing this to something more believable on the face like Fatima, leaves one completely without confidence in what is being said.

Fred Keyes said...

Charlie Johnston must be reeling as Joe Biden continues to pull well ahead of Donald Trump. Johnston claimed to be a religious prophet---transitioning, he said, from his previous profession as a political operative. I've believed that he never changed his stripes. His donning the wool coat of a prophet I believe was a cover for his continued political objectives. Clever as that tactic was, the truth prevails.

Anonymous said...

Have only come accross this seer today on this website. Seems Charlie Johnston was right but timescales were out. Trump lost the election fair and square, he refuses to concede let alone accept the validity of the result. Vigano in his recent heavily theological laden letter to trump that most of us cant understand is suggesting Trump can legitimately go to war on the American people. Clearly either Trump or Vigano is 'Menses'. The one that foools catholics to follow him.

Jackisback said...

To Anonymous at November 27, 2020 at 11:28 AM

You said: "Seems Charlie Johnston was right but timescales were out."

This statement is garden variety trolling behavior, and unpersuasive in general terms.

It is also in opposition to the Denver Archidiocesan statement from February 15th of 2017, which said in part: "The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid."

The remainder of your post very clearly emanates from this first error in reasoning, and as such, is fruit of a poisonous tree, as your specious assertions depend upon the presumption that your reinterpretation of CJ's "prophecy" is valid.

If this is truly the first time you have come across this topic on this website, and you wish to engage in genuine debate on the discernment process as to CJ's self proclaimed status as a genuine prophet, I encourage you to first go back and read this thread in its entirety, along with its predecessor thread titled: Charlie Johnston- An alleged prophet with a critically important message for humanity.

If you do that, it is possible to then engage in reasoned debate.

Anonymous said...

Seer Johnston is actually still at it, on his new website. He's recently posted on ASOH that he was, once again, correct regarding global civil war, fought along cultural lines, and 'the overall scope of things'. Instead of simply retiring from public life, as he'd promised once each & every prophecy tanked, good ole Charlie is still slinging his BS, head held high. I can't help but opine that his arrogance is matched by only his failed record, both of which are appreciable. Recall that Charlie once single handedly foiled an armed bank robbery and rescued a family from a burning car? ASOH is all he has, and, forgetting that he's a master snake oil salesman, he won't ever relinquish his last & only soap box, ever. it's all he has. Sad.

L Spinelli said...

Hey folks. Long time since I posted.

I have nothing new to say about Charlie. Just thought you all would like to know that he set up a national organization dedicated to "faith, family and freedom" with his, ahem, unique branding.

They just did some fundraiser that netted them $27K. Imagine! People are nutty enough, STILL, to throw $27K at this guy.

It's such a farce now that I have nothing else to add to this comment.

Fred Keyes said...

The pattern of the right-wing "prophet" becomes clearer with time, doesn't it? Pick a political movement that unscrupulously pushes your political aims. Go after untethered religious folks—sheep already conditioned to believe the unbelievable. Build suspense over a period of time by concocting dreadful events.

But the false prophet knows that eventually his predictions will fail. Not to worry. Claim that in the grand scheme of things he was right. Gather the true believer—a remnant. Keep the group alive, now tied to a political movement. Finally, the money. The grift (a retirement plan?) was perhaps inevitable.

Anonymous said...

Seer Johnston is still at it.....

'The next two months are the calm before the storm. Then comes the fullness of the storm. I fear that many ordinary people are going to strike back with wild, undisciplined fury.'
Hitting the Wall, March 27, 2021

Anonymous said...

Seer Johnston is, once again, predicting 'The Storm', due to strike, no doubt with unmatched fury, in June, 2021. He's also collecting money, for.......what, exactly? A retirement plan sound about right. He's well aware that, in time, even his core nutters will fade away. His goal, perpetually pushing the correct in the grand sweep of things mantra, is probably to bilk as much cash as possible now, before he fades into obscurity. He'll probably invest the money, and live off the proceeds, in years to come. Charlie realizes that his completely undeserved, fifteen minutes of fame has precious little time left. I previously felt he was a pathetic snake oil salesman, but now one may add thief to his resume.

Anonymous said...

"This quarter, even the low-information, virtue-signaling citizens will figure out that the lynch mobs are coming for them and their families. What follows will be the bloodiest summer in American history. The American middle class will not calmly walk up the scaffold to their doom for not believing what Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Kamala Harris and Maxine Waters preach. The Ninth of Thermidor is coming for the pagan left, too.

I am bone-weary right now, exhausted from extensive travel, meetings and talks. I feel a profound sense of urgency. I pray that our little efforts at CORAC can help provide an alternative to open civil war and, if not, seed the country with working groups of people who are committed to faith, family and freedom to whom others can come and build safe communities of interest and values, whether those that come are believers who are wearied from the storm or have repented of their own contributions to it and want a better, more joyful way to live. We do talk of nullification – and I talk of secession – but not so as to break up the country. The pagan left is doing that quite efficiently. Rather, it is sort of a panic room, mounted by willing states to preserve reason, to preserve faith, family and freedom as the collapse of a dead culture surrounds them, so that what Lincoln called the last, best hope on earth can rise again from the ashes of self-imposed madness and destruction – and then help the rest of the western world to do the same."

Charlie Johnston for his latest post.......the BLOODIEST SUMMER IN AMERICAN HISTORY? Wow. Really? When July 4, 2021 arrives with.....nothing.....what will Charlie opine then? He really is a crackpot.

Fred Keyes said...

This bears repeating [From Dt 18:20-22]

"But if a prophet presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded, or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.

Should you say to yourselves, “How can we recognize that a word is one the LORD has not spoken?”, if a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD but the word does not come true, it is a word the LORD did not speak. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not fear him."

Anonymous said...

NYT 7-9-2021 Column by Michelle Goldberg

"QAnon is essentially a millenarian movement, with Trump taking the place of Jesus. Adherents dream of the coming of what they call the storm, when the enemies of the MAGA movement will be rounded up and executed, and Trump restored to his rightful place of leadership.

“It’s not unlike a belief in the second coming of Christ,” said Jones. “That at some point God will reorder society and set things right. I think that when a community feels itself in crisis, it does become more susceptible to conspiracy theories and other things that tell them that what they’re experiencing is not ultimately what’s going to happen.”

Mark said...

I'm gonna go on record and state the current POTUS will not finish his term....

Jim D said...

I assert that Charlie Johnston is a total fraud; his abysmal record speaks for itself. I also agree with Mark, that the current POTUS will NOT finish his term. Things are getting worse in the world, and I do fear that China will invade Taiwan, and soon. That could mean WW3. Indeed, God have mercy upon us.

Anonymous said...

Should never ever say even remotely accusatory or any other nasty comment about any purported mystic prophet seer visionary locutionist..if it is of God you will be sorry and accountable..this notion that you must save others from their own ability to discern is pompous and prideful..let go and let God..most frauds are found out shortly.. and if they continue as in the case of Magdelena maybe that was go bring out the perfidity in hearts so prevalent today..prophecy can be fluid and is changed by prayer the grace of God and His Mercy

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston has been shown to be a literal false prophet. The Bible is clear about how false prophets should be treated.

Jackisback said...

Anonymous (from March 6, 2022 at 10:11 PM)

Do you object to what Jim D said back on September 21st? You shouldn't, because what Jim D. said is objectively true. CJ declared early on that if his "prophesies" and his promised timeline didn't work out, that he would declare himself unreliable and go away. He never claimed that his "prophecies" were fluid or could be changed by prayer; he claimed quite the opposite, in fact. And then, of course, he declined to do as he promised when his "prophecies" turned out to be false - he did not declare himself unreliable and he did not go away. Instead, he erased all of his old blog so as to obscure all evidence of his ridiculous, false prognostications, and then he proceeded to create his new CORAC blog from scratch.

The last thing this discussion needs is more goal-post-moving-gaslighting. If you really feel the need to communicate in such a fashion, you would be better served doing that at CJ's CORAC blog. I hear that there is plenty of that going on over there.

Anonymous said...

Still the same old false prophet. From Charlie Johnston's blog,

Robert Tisovich
March 18, 2022 at 8:32 am

Wait a moment, did you write and print this:
Another popular trope among some who unexpectedly disagree with me on a matter is to tell me God told them to instruct me. I have so tired of this wearisome banality that I usually tell them that God has my number and will give me a call if it is needful. Actually, God has often spoken to me through other people, but the message always comes cloaked in humility and respect rather than anger and imperial presumption. I listen for His voice in all I encounter. Sorry for the digression, but I wanted you to know how seriously I take it when a matter of great weight and substance is at hand.
What about your communications about taking with Angles, Jesus holding you, talking with Jesus,
I printed out many of the stories, you want copies to remind yourself of what you communicated?
This was a very good piece of information BUT your contraction of past communications leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. You either met Jesus one on one or you did not, your credibility is in question.
Beckita I am sure will cancel, like main stream media this comment, but I hope she has enough internal backbone to forward it to you.
Charlie you cannot have it both ways, you met God or you did not.
Remember the EWTN show and your communication? Want to watch it?
I know I am a sinner, a rebellious creature; who over 50 years ago as a young teenager, “one on one met the Holy Spirit” can you say baptized in the Holy Spirit – it is reality.
And I am a live long Catholic.
I want you to know again I do nor like your denial of meeting God or your bull that you met God.
Ya it’s me again, Robert Tisovich


March 18, 2022 at 9:14 am

Robert, are you one of those people who absolutely has no recognition of sarcastic irony when you see it? There is no denial here…simply a wry way of telling people who seek to instruct me in the Divine Name that…He has my number. If you don’t get that now, there is little I can do for you. And before you go off on a pathetic unhinged tirade like this again, read stuff and think it through.

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Anonymous said...

And more,

Robert Tisovich
March 18, 2022 at 5:56 pm

Why do you want to speak, communicate in riddles. Who in this day uses sarcastic irony to communicate with a people educated by a failed educational system. It appears that I am one of those people who absolutely has no recognition of sarcastic irony when I read it. So I would appreciate it if you would not use it in your communications, as it goes right over my head and I am sure many others.
I for the last five years have wondered what happened to you that God is not talking to you as God did in years past. Today there are so many people claiming God is talking to them and the stories they communicate; every week for some they have a new communication.
From my experience God does not operate that way, some times like Moses yes, but to dozens of people in the same month, I don’t think so, but what do I know, I’m just a rebellious creature who does things that I do not want to do and does not do the things I want to do, yes I borrowed that from the Apostle (Saul) Paul.
Beckita you surprised me, thank you for publishing it.

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March 18, 2022 at 7:27 pm

Robert, ever since high school people have been telling me to “dumb down” my stuff so people can understand it. I refused then and I refuse now and I will refuse until the day I die…and people have understood me just fine. If you want dumbed down stuff, you will need to go to another site.

I have NEVER said God quit speaking to me. In fact I have said several times that nothing in my spiritual life has changed. I have also said REPEATEDLY that I was told, by God, that when the Storm began it was time for me to forswear public prophecy because it was now the time for doing, not for tickling peoples’ ears.

This may not be the site for you – and I will not be offended if you go elsewhere. But this emoting on your part on how I must change the way I do things to satisfy your wants is done. There will be no more discussion of it. Read and stretch your mind to comprehend or don’t, but I will continue on my way.

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Anonymous said...

And Beckita has to jump in like a German Shepherd attacking a burglar. Such a loving Christian community!

March 20, 2022 at 8:08 am

I’m catching up on comments as I scroll through them. Your bull in a china shop style is not welcome here, Robert. You THINK you know how your comments came through. You’re incorrect. I had nothing to do with clearing them and your condescending tone is repulsive.

Anonymous said...

I’m quite skeptical of all this. However, is it possible he misunderstood or misinterpreted some events for Obama instead of for Trump? We now see Trump didnt want a peaceful transition of power, that seems a little uncanny maybe he was off? Trump has been part of the reason for some of the growing civil unrest, and now 2yrs into covid, food shortages, inflation, a war in Europe etc the ‘Storm’ is upon us. Im just wondering if his visions are ‘blurry’ or hes clumsy as it seems at least some of the predictions came true but timing was slightly off. I dont know…

Jackisback said...

The only part of your post that makes sense is your last sentence "I don't know." If you have any sincere desire for discernment on this topic, just go back and read this thread from its inception. And then read the predecessor thread. Then you will "know" for certain that what you propose isn't plausible, not even in the slightest.

Anonymous said...

Brochure for an upcoming talk by Charlie J on July in California. Once a Sherpa, always a Sherpa?

Fred Keyes said...

It's not as though we haven't been warned....

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