Statement on false claim regarding Charlie Johnston’s messages

Statement on Archdiocese of Denver website

"...The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid."  -Excerpt from the Archdiocesan Statement below.

On February 15, 2017 the Archdiocese of Denver issued the following "Statement on false claim regarding Charlie Johnston’s messages". 

Statement on false claim regarding Charlie Johnston’s messages
PRESS RELEASE:
Feb. 15, 2017
Contact: Karna Swanson
Executive Director of Communications
303-945-9136
Karna.Swanson@ArchDen.org
Mrs. Beckie Hesse, using the online profile “Beckita,” stated in a Feb. 7, 2017 blog post titled “The RESCUE Has Begun” that the messages of the alleged visionary Mr. Charlie Johnston, who resides in the Archdiocese of Denver, “have been fully approved by the Church.”  In order to ensure that the faithful are correctly informed, it is necessary to publicly state that Mrs. Hesse’s claim is false.
In fact, Mr. Johnston’s alleged messages were reviewed by an archdiocesan theological commission and Archbishop Samuel J. Aquila determined that the faithful should be warned to be prudent and cautious about Mr. Johnston’s predictions. In addition, Mr. Johnston is not permitted to speak in Church-owned venues in the Archdiocese of Denver. Read Archbishop Aquila’s message here.
The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid.
Read: Statement on the alleged visionary Charlie Johnston 
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The Statement on false claim regarding Charlie Johnston’s messages can be read on the Archdiocese of Denver website here.

Other articles on this website concerning Charlie Johnston in order of publication:
-Charlie Johnston- An alleged prophet with a critically important message for humanity
-Archbishop of Denver's Statement concerning Charlie Johnston
-The Presidential Prophecy -An update on Charlie Johnston

As always, all comments are published immediately on this website, without moderation. I only ask that commentators be charitable and considerate in their comments.

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Glenn Dallaire said...


"The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid."
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This part of the Statement is particularly important, I think. Comments?

Anonymous said...

Beckita has issued a statement at Charlie's blog. It does not address the paragraph you selected above. She is equivocating at best by not speaking to the archdiocese's request that the faithful no longer condone the alleged visions.

If the Denver press release doesn't stop Charlie's followers, what will? Let me note, the archdiocese itself has "doxxed" Beckie Hesse by naming her in its press release. That is a serious and considered move, in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 2/16/17 @ 11:17 said: "If the Denver press release doesn't stop Charlie's followers, what will?"

Well, for those who are continuing to give credibility to Charlie because they have committed to him and his messages, I don't think anything will stop them. If anyone recalls Veronica Lueken of Bay Side, New York, there were plenty of people who were convinced her visions were authentic even after strong wording of complete denunciation from the Church that they were not.

The value of the statement from the Archdiocese of Denver is most helpful, I think, to those just coming upon Charlie's messages, who are wondering if they are authentic or not. Such a clear statement of disavowal by the Church helps these people, and those who are sitting on the fence about it, to know to walk away and not listen.

I think it was so bold of Beckita to write such a thing (that Charlie's messages "have been fully approved by the Church.") It just goes to show how these things slip little by little into outright falsehood.

I'm personally glad the Archdiocese released a statement about it. But it seems to me they didn't do so until Beckita pushed the issue (about authenticity). Maybe that's better they waited, because making a statement right away after the failure of the prophecies seems to give too much importance to them, but releasing a statement now simply clarifies the Church's position without giving more publicity to the messages and "messenger."

Anonymous said...

I had just posted a comment under Anonymous February 16, 2017 at 11:48 AM, then I went to Charlie's blog to read Beckita's response to this Archdiocesan release, and she is saying the lines she wrote about full approval of the Church were ambiguous and not meant to lead people to believe she was referring to Charlie's messages.

Even after reading the original paragraph, and her responses several times, I was somewhat confused at it all. I am always concerned when something I read causes me this sort of confusion. I am extremely aware that confusion regarding the things of God is a sure sign of demonic activity.

I haven't visited Charlie's blog in a long time, and especially have not read anything recently published by those who have taken over his blog. Just reading the little I did left me with a sense that something is not right about all of this.

I probably will not be following any of this any more. I will take the Archdiocese of Denver's statement as definitive, and leave off even following the discussion of Charlie anymore. I have learned in my life to give the devil wide berth, and not even be curious about things he's involved in. If I suspect his presence, I go.

L Spinelli said...

The big question now is whether the whole TNRS blog and operation shuts down or not. I can't call it, because I know of at least one apparition-based ministry that's still going in spite of the local bishop's condemnation - Holy Love in Ohio.

Let's see how this plays out in the next couple of months. I'd guess that with this statement being released, Charlie won't be able to make the comeback he was hinting at last December.

Anonymous said...

FocusTV took down Charlie Johnston's videos. Bishop Rene Gracida posted the press release from the archdiocese of Denver on his website. Spirit Daily wrote about Charlie Johnston too this morning.

How can TNRS continue when all these media outlets are falling in line with Charlie's archdiocese?

Beckita needs to answer questions and not just try to do damage control by saying "My bad"! The best thing to do is follow this example and SHUT THE WEBSITE!

Joseph J. said...


It sure doesn't look like Charlie will be able to make a comeback like he suggested...

Anonymous said...

"...Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid."
This seems clear to me - The Next Right Step is for Charlie/Beckita/Steve to take down the website. I pray for Charlie and the many good people that have been misled by him. I think there is a warning for all of us to only follow the messages of CHURCH APPROVED visionaries.

Anonymous said...

From Kitty Cleveland's blog today:

Statement on Charlie Johnston

February 16, 2017
Friends, for those of you who attended the meeting with Charlie Johnston in Covington, LA, last year at the Fleur de Lis Center, I think it's important to emphasize (again) that the Archbishop of Denver later issued a cautionary statement "strongly advising the faithful to exercise prudence and caution in regards to Mr. Charlie Johnston’s alleged divine visions and messages." I took that message to heart then, and I still do.

An additional statement was released yesterday that stated, "The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid." May God bless Charlie as he continues--like the rest of us--to clearly discern God's will, ever guided by those with benevolent authority over us.

Lisa said...

I suppose that this comment from the Archbishop finally puts to rest the argument that the first statement from the Archdiocese regarding Charlie wasn't a condemnation of his visions. It seems to me that the Archbishop is saying that his first statement was indeed a condemnation of the "visions." I guess the Archdiocese will be releasing all those documents regarding Charlie's alleged "correct prophecies" now.

Anonymous said...

What is very strange indeed is the fact that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and their cronies are working feverishly behind the scenes to impeach President Trump and to find reasons to remove or destroy those appointments that are meaningful We are only a few weeks into the Trump administration and Obama is on the warpath. President Trump should go on the offense and find enough dereliction of duty by Obama and nail him to the tree before Obama does it to him. Lord have mercy on this situation. Bring justice to this underhanded attack by the devil himself and a peaceful ending. Seal President Trump, VP Pence and his appointees in the precious Blood of Jesus Christ. Thank You, Lord.

Joe said...

Beckita is letting the commenters say what she really wants to say, then responding with false humility that it was just an honest mistake by the Denver archdiocese. One of the commenters went as far to say that it was libel of the church against Beckita. I think my latter analysis of Beckita was probably more correct. I see she now is only letting one sided comments through as well. These people really need to go away.

Mary H said...

All right. I am now fully convinced that there is some diabolical distortion coming from Charlie Johnston and infecting the remaining members of his community. Read the comments about the archdiocese of Denver's statement. They are going rogue!

Dan Lynch says:
February 16, 2017 at 11:20 am


I read the Archdiocese of Denver’s statement on Charlie Johnston.

Then I read what Beckita actually wrote and not what the diocese said that she wrote. I think that the diocese totally misread and misquoted Beckita’s post. I understood what she wrote in a split second. I am not a Charlie Johnston promoter or defender, but I believe that the diocese has made a terrible libelous mess...


Then there's this:

Patrick of SD says:
February 16, 2017 at 11:34 am


Hi Beckita,

...The Archdiocese’s last sentence, however, rubs me the wrong way. They didn’t specify which events of 2016/17, and besides ’17 is still in its infancy. It seems to be a sweeping generalization that suggests all of Charlie’s alleged visions are inaccurate. Although they didn’t state so explicitly, I hope this was not their intent...

Nonetheless, your obedience to the Church should be saluted, B.

P.S. Also, the insinuation by the Archdiocese that you as leader of this blog, included in the term “faithful,” are in any way condoning or attempting to reinterpret Charlie’s alleged visions is…annoying. Nothing could be further from the truth, Beckita, about how you are leading this Ministry or its mission: Trust. Do. Love.


And:

httponestepatatime says:
February 16, 2017 at 12:39 pm


Hi, Beckita, I understood what you were saying, that you were referring to the apparitions of Fatima. 😘 I noticed the Diocese used the word urged, not forbid.
May this misunderstanding be resolved quickly, for the fruits from this website are many. Praying for you and the diocese.


Finally:

anniecorrinneblog says:
February 16, 2017 at 3:52 pm


I was wondering…..did the Archdiocese contact you, Beckita, before publishing this statement?
My point being did they have your explanation of the post? We….I will speak for myself….knew you were talking about Our Lady and The Fatima message. May I ask…..does the Archdiocese know the message of Fatima?


Jim M said...

"...the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid."

QED. This is clear and unambiguous. The faithful are not to condone the alleged prophecies nor support attempts to twist some validity out if them. They are wrong. They are failed. Stay clear.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone gone to Charlie's blog and clicked on the icons or held a cursor on them? Click on the blue name - or black name. You'd be amazed - perhaps a lot of commenters are not commenters?

I don't know, but the results of doing that sure seem weird to me. Could someone else try it and see if they are real or not. I don't know enough to be able to tell.

Some of the time a cursor on the icon shows a name that is different. Sometimes when clicked it goes nowhere. Really confusing to me. If that means not real people, then there aren't that many commenters and Beckita replies to made up comments.

Any one? I'd sure like to know. It happens on all the blog comments, so I don't know for sure.

Even the Bishop Yong Duk. Sometimes chinese letters occur with his name, but not always. What gives"?

Anonymous said...

All of Charlie, and TNRS, has been such a drama! Let's leave all of it behind us. It has taken too much of our time and focus. We have now heard this new statement from the Archdiocese of Denver. The Archdiocese is showing great wisdom and discernment. Let's continue to focus on our Catholic faith, our prayers, the Sacraments, (especially the Holy Eucharist), the rosary, and charitable deeds,done in Christ. These are the things that are so loved by God and Our Blessed Mother. These are the things that will enable us to live our lives, well, and will enable us to face any and all difficulties in life. These are the things that bring us peace. Praise be to God! Thank you, Holy Spirit!

Anonymous said...

For my post of February 17,2017, at 2:38am- let us also add to our focus, the Holy Scriptures, which are the very word of God.

Janet said...



What I dislike most of all are back biters, especially when they remain anonymous!

Beckita Hesse....“The PROCESS of RESCUE had already begun, before charlie was born, as, mainly, Our Lady and, sometimes, Our Lord had been appearing on earth, giving guidance and exhortation concerning ways, for those who would listen and take up the cause, to repair spiritual damage, resist the onslaught of our Mother’s adversary and reclaim souls due to rising forces of evil. The messages which have been fully approved by the Church, deserve consideration in order to cull the spiritual treasures which enable us to more fully participate in the process of rescue, for every soul that returns to God impacts both the individual soul, so precious to God, and mitigation.”

Though Beckita admits she could have written it more clearly..she is adamant that she was definitely not referring To CJ's claimed visions in the above. Beckita has continually explained to the ones who say that Charlie was part right, that it doesn't change the truth that the prophecy just did not come about as CJ said it would.

There are many false prophets in our midst, but one thing I can say regarding Charlie Johnstone, he never led any one away from the Church. He remained faithful to His Bishop, and promised to walk away if his claimed prophecy didn't materialise. This he has done. Many have chosen to stay with the blog because they have made friendships and learned valuable lessons. Though I will probably never get to meet them, I myself, have made good friends in there too. There is also a prayer board on the blog, where I and others can pray for the ones who ask for help, or we can place our own petitions.

What do I think of this failed prophecy? 2 thoughts..either it was a 'Jonah' moment or Charlie was just hearing 'things' What I don't believe however is that Charlie deliberately set out to deceive anyone.

God Bless us all.

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Anonymous said...

Janet,

You don't mention the most important part of the archdiocese statement:

"The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid."

Don't you think Beckita, SteveBC and the others are condoning Charlie by continuing the website, and she and others have been making attempts to reinterpret his claims as valid?

Aren't they in direct conflict with the clear instruction of the archbishop who has complete authority over Charlie and his alleged visions?

Are those continuing to operate the website working under the guidance of their own bishops? (I bet that answer is NO!)

Why would any faithful Catholic continue to support a discredited visionary? The "community" is a House Built Upon Sand. Will it continue until the archbishop is forced to formally sanction TNRS?

Janet said...


"Don't you think Beckita, SteveBC and the others are condoning Charlie by continuing the website, and she and others have been making attempts to reinterpret his claims as valid?"

I understand your point, anon, but I haven't noticed either making excuses up for the failed prophecy. As I have stated previously, Beckita keeps putting to rest the comments that claim Charlie was partially right. In this then she and Steve are abiding by the Archbishop's decision.

"Why would any faithful Catholic continue to support a discredited visionary? The "community" is a House Built Upon Sand. Will it continue until the archbishop is forced to formally sanction TNRS? "

I can only answer for myself, as to why I am still there. Charlie might just turn out to be deluded... or he could be mistaken in his interpretation. It's also a possibility that God might have heard the prayers of the faithful and allowed a change of circumstance..re the Inauguration. I honestly don't know! I know that God didn't destroy Nenevah when he said He would..and there were no conditions attached to Jonah's prophecy. God said He was going to do it...and He didn't!

I have friends on the site, and I enjoy reading all the posts regarding what's happening in the world.

God Bless

Anonymous said...

Janet,
I disagree that "Beckita keeps putting to rest the comments that claim Charlie was partially right. "

For example here are comments from The Rescue has begun:

Mike says:
February 12, 2017 at 3:21 pm
Piece today in the NY Post suggest that Charlie was correct on transfer of power; just not in the way he anticipated. http://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-is-scheming-to-sabotage-trumps-presidency/

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Briana Elizabeth says:
February 15, 2017 at 9:36 pm
I thought the same exact thing, Mike.


Not a word from Beckita. And since she previews ALL the comments before they are released to be posted on the site, she had to have seen this. And also that's just one example. I've seen plenty of others.

She even had a chance to say something about it in her "Apology" article, ie cautioning posters NOT to condone or reinterpret the prophecy and never, ever addressed that statement from the Archdiocese. Beckita herself does not accept the ruling given by the Church regarding Our Lady of Emmitsburg" and has been vocal about that. She has stated that she continues to believe that Charlie is a prophet, despite the failed prophesy that was to be a sign. So I do not really find her credible at all.

Charlie had said that the Presidential prophecy was to be a sign, a sign from God. If God had meant this to be a sign, and then it didn't happen, how could it have been from God in the first place? Charlie also said that if the prophecy did not come to pass, we "can give me (Charlie) a big old thumbs down." Yet no one on that site is doing so, and while I understand that friendships have been made, and it is good to pray for one another, but the website still promotes Charlie's prophecies, and really should stop that in light of the statement from the Archdiocese of Denver.

Chris said...

I tried to post this at Charlie's site but it didn't clear. So I'll post it here:

Beckita,

The archdiocese of Denver assigned a priest to monitor Charlie's website some months ago (that was published online). I would not be surprised if the archbishop had also received many complaints about this [Charlie's] blog continuing after Charlie retired.

In addition, it is virtually impossible for a statement to come out on this issue, which the archbishop himself signed last March, without his communications director running it by him. This is clearly meant as a final statement on the alleged messages by the archdiocese.

Furthermore, the statement addresses Catholics, and not just those in the Denver area, as you, Beckita, are named. The last paragraph of the archdiocese warning may "urge" but it is a strong statement, not just the archdiocese's way of saying "you can do what you want."

Added: Souls and salvation are at stake. False messengers detract from real ones. It is presumption to continue hosting the website when an archdiocese has spoken.

Anonymous said...

So it looks like Beckita is pretty much going to ignore the latest statement from the diocese.


janet says:
February 17, 2017 at 10:13 am
“THE EVENTS OF 2016/2017………. have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid.” (Emphasis mine)

Am I mistaken or does the above exclude Charlie’s previous alleged visions concerning other events?

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Beckita says:
February 17, 2017 at 11:52 am
Janet, I rather focus on the link to the original statement on Charlie: http://archden.org/statement-on-the-alleged-visionary-mr-charlie-johnston/#.WKcpddQrInK

I reaffirm that it is wise to allow the analysis and parsing of Charlie’s prophecies to rest at this time. Without this rest, we can readily become distracted from the heart of the message promoted here. Phillip said it best, I think: Only time will tell.

Joe said...

Beckita says time will tell!? I am sorry but time has already told. At this point, to continue on acting like there is any possible validity to Charlie's prophecies is open opposition to the Church. These people are mentally sick to continue on with this charade.

Anonymous said...

This was an interesting exchange:

David says:
February 16, 2017 at 6:43 pm
Dan, you state that “…Charlie’s messages have not been fully approved by the Church.”. I think that is just a wee bit misleading. By saying his messages have not been “fully” approved you are implying that his messages are partially approved. Charlie’s messages are not approved whatsoever by the Church.


And the reply was:

Phillip Frank says:
February 17, 2017 at 8:30 am
David,
By the church not condemning Charlie’s writings they were “approved” for discernment by the faithful. I think it is important to remember that the laity are part of the “system” the magesterium uses to descern whether a particular devotion, message, etc, is from God or not.


So I guess the spin is that by not condemning Charlie's messages, they are "approved" for discernment, and the laity now decide whether they are true or not.

Does God really operate in this fashion? This is getting way too confusing for my pay grade.

Joe said...

Anonymous 4:16, if God does operate in that fashion then count me out!

Anonymous said...

Anon at 4:16pm
Wow, that really troubles me. And when I went to the website to read the exchange, what I found troubles me incredibly!


David,
By the church not condemning Charlie’s writings they were “approved” for discernment by the faithful.
I think it is important to remember that the laity are part of the “system” the magesterium uses to descern whether a particular devotion, message, etc, is from God or not.
The “fruits” of these devotions must be given time for fruition which have taken centuries in some cases.
The important issue is that they have been “cleared” of error by the church and “allowed” to be followed with prudence (caution). But there was no condemnation or haulting to our freedom to follow them.
A second caution was administered about Charlie’s innacurate assessment of the election turmoil, but still no condemnation.
As far as being totally accurate and fruitful, only time will tell but the church knows that God has to be given His time to work out our salvation as we are truly a stiff-necked people.

Beckita says:
February 17, 2017 at 9:52 am
Amen, Phillip. Only time will tell.



Surely that is NOT what the Archdiocese has meant, that the messages have been cleared of error? I saw NOTHING in their statement to indicate that.

Apparently Charlie's followers are of the opinion, that until the messages are explicitly CONDEMNED, then they are error free and approved!

Joe said...

What more does the church need to do to disassociate with these people. It is unbelievable to me how dense these cult followers are.

Anonymous said...

Since Janet had come here and made comments, I feel that it is only fair for those who read here to know that she is not being forthright. Here is a comment she made on TNRS.

janet says:
February 17, 2017 at 6:04 am
There are a few enemies of this site. Even now after Charlie has ‘walked away’ those same enemies are intent on shutting this site down. Read the posts in ‘Mystics of the Church’ Same old posters, who for some reason known only to themselves, have a peculiar dislike towards Charlie! Yes.. and they are copying the posts from here, rather selectively, I might add!

So if you are reading this…and you know who you are, then take a good look at your motives. I, and I know others in here, will be praying for you.

God Bless us all.


I'm truly sorry that you feel the way that you do, Janet. We are not enemies of Charlie or your website. We are here to discern the truth. Posters at TNRS are still trying to condone and reinterpret Charlie's prophecies to be valid, which goes completely against what the Archdiocese of Denver has said. Beckita herself says that she prefers to focus on the original statement rather than the clarification that the diocese has made.

So perhaps you should take a good look at yourselves instead of worrying about those of us who seek the truth.

Anonymous said...

At Charlie's website, Dan Lynch sure seems riled over the "terrible libel" Beckita has endured.

"...Beckita is an intelligent woman who knows that Charlie’s messages have not been fully approved by the Church. Someone from the diocese should’ve communicated with her or Charlie instead of posting such an absurd and libelous announcement by his diocese.

"I believe that in truth and justice and, consistent with the Eighth Commandment’s prohibitions against libel, slander and detraction, the Archdiocese should publish the truth, a total retraction of its announcement and an apology..."


Lynch avoids the elephant in the room: Beckita promotes Charlie's messages to an international audience. Beckita allows benighted posters to speculate on how Charlie can be redeemed. She urges readers to look to The Rescue, now mysteriously morphed into the Triumph of the Immaculate Conception.

I wonder if Lynch and Beckita will ever acknowledge the authority of the archdiocese to issue guidance to the faithful. The archdiocese statement clarifies a point made in Beckita's recent and enlarges upon Archbishop Aquila's earlier signed ruling warning against Charlie's messages. The chancery has that power and duty.

Why are Charlie's followers so defensive? Why all this bluster?

Glenn Dallaire said...


For those interested, the National Catholic Register just published and article Archdiocese of Denver Reiterates Warning About Charlie Johnston

I think that Fr. Mitch Pacawa's (priest often on EWTN) comments in the article were informative and noteworthy:
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“But the key determination of a prophet is whether or not the predictions happen,” he said. Father Pacwa, who wrote his Ph.D. dissertation on prophetic literature in the Old Testament, pointed to Deuteronomy 18: 21-22. “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message.”

Father Pacwa said it’s good to have a sense of preparedness, “but making plans based on prophetic statements never struck me as good sense. If I had heard about people selling their houses, I would have been very critical.”

“The fact that the specific dates and events that were stated to be from his angel did not happen, we have to say those predictions were not from the Holy Spirit,” Father Pacwa said.

Regarding the possibility that it’s a Jonah or St. Joan moment? Father Pacwa said only the Magisterium of the Church can judge such things."
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Anonymous said...

Hi,

I'm anonymous 5:58. I want to correct the Triumph of the Immaculate HEART, not as written, the Immaculate Conception. Sorry!!

Anonymous said...

Over At Charlie's website, reality has sunk in and some at least are backpeddling on their anger at the archdiocese of Denver. Others still attribute all the problems over Charlie's failed prophecies, Beckita's management of the site and the public rebuke by Charlie's archbishop on those mean people at Mystics of the Church website.

There is something absolutely Clintonesque in the refusal to face facts. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.


Janet said...

Karna Swanson says:
February 17, 2017 at 3:57 pm
Dear Beckita,

Thank you for your clarification regarding which messages you were referring to in your post. As you said, there is ambiguity in the text, and our statement was meant only to clarify. As the Archdiocese of Denver, we are responsible for ensuring that there is clarity when speaking about private messages and revelations, as the faithful look to us for guidance.

In Christ,
Karna Swanson
Executive Director of Communications
Archdiocese of Denver
karna.swanson@archden.org

PS: It was nice speaking with you on the telephone. Have a wonderful weekend and God Bless!

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From Steve BC

"Beckita was taken to task for ambiguity. Let none of us be less than clear as well. 😀

I think this NR from the Archdiocese is a firm reminder for all of us, not just Beckita, to discipline ourselves to remain fully appropriate in our conduct here and in our daily lives. If we honor that reminder, we will be a partner with God in producing much good fruit, will we not?"


As for some commentators in the site who were upset and let off steam...I'm sure Glenn will agree that all sites have their share of hotheads.

God Bless us all.

Joe said...

Janet, you are missing the point. First thing is that Charlie is indisputably a false prophet, plain and simple. This fact was proven on Jan 20th when his prophecies that he has been promoting for many years were an utter failure. The main message that the Denver archdiocese was trying to convey is exactly that. There has been many attempts on Charlie's blog to try to twist Charlie's prophecies in a way that they still have some credibility. Beckita herself has been guilty of this action, directly and indirectly. First, by allowing so many comments that are doing exactly what the archdiocese is condemning, secondly by still giving credence to the whole Rescue prophecy at the end of 2017, this is the type of thing the arhcdiocese is trying to address. Please Janet, use your head, quit manipulating the facts, take the next right step and walk away from Charlie, Beckita and any nonsense that is associated with them.

Anonymous said...

Janet,

If pointing a finger at Mystics of the Church as the source of Beckita's problems is letting off steam, why were those comments posted in the first place? Beckita continues to "like" the angry posts.

You have to wonder Charlie's followers first move was to start looking for scapegoats. Members of Charlie's inner circle and the hardcore followers -- Joe Crozier, CrewDog, Dan Lynch and you, Janet -- were among the loudest searching for "enemies." THAT IS CULT BEHAVIOR. Rallying around an external threat. Story after story here at Glenn's site tells of former followers who felt bullied and emotionally abused on Charlie's site. You need to acknowledge that.

Beckita and SteveBC still haven't OWNED UP TO THE ARCHDIOCESE RULING THAT CHARLIE HAS BEEN PROVEN FALSE. PERIOD, FULL STOP.

All they do is write about "misunderstanding." It was no misunderstanding. Beckita tried to slide Charlie in under the guise of talking about legitimate prophecies. He's not part of that group.



Anonymous said...

Ultimately, I think it's best to pray for these people rather than condemn them in a forum. They have now heard and seen what the Archdiocese has said and yes, they can delude themselves into believing it is saying something else. This is sad. This requires our prayers for these people that they allow the Holy Spirit to enlighten them.

I use to follow another forum- MOG - and it's gone worse over there than at TRNS. At MOG, they publically accuse Pope Francis of being a heretic and indicate the "Vatican is empty". How a forum can go from one that was all about prayer and devotion to this is diabolical in my opinion. And also needs prayers.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone seen this article about Charlie? It is pretty balanced as a 'just the facts' informational sort of thing and gives some fairly good points to consider:

https://kevinsymonds.com/2017/01/21/charlie-johnston/

Anonymous said...

Don't want to put a spanner in the works or anything; but a couple of things come to mind after reading the comments above.

1. Is it possible that those who are pro Charlie Johnston are Republicans by nature.

2. Is it possible that those who are anti Charlie Johnston are Democrats by nature.

The meanness in group 2 sounds like CNN on steroids using the Bishop and his wise reserved advice as a battering ram.

Don't forget the show aint over till the fat lady sings. And there seems to be serious changes to the normal change over in government in the USA.

As far as I can see, and I am no prophet; but Obama has not let go the fantasy that he is still in power. He is abusing the democratic system all previous Presidents respected. And those who like to keep a close eye on their fellow man might be well advised to get on their knees and pray America does not have another civil war on their hands. That would be better than attacking their fellow Christians.

The likes of poor old Charlie will be only trying to encourage the silent majority to Trust in God; do what is right in God's eyes, and encourage those around them. No matter what the demonic liberal progressives achieve in their war against peace.

God bless all. Julia.

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Charlie's fans online are often part of the vocal pro-Francis crowd. Leftists go toward I'll-do-what-I-want, Republicans toward order. Following the lawful authority and careful warning of the archbishop is a Republican sort of thing in that sense.

As for "poor old Charlie," he left town when things started to heat up, a traditional move for a con man at the end of the long con. Now poor Beckita is left to pick up the pieces, also the fate of those who follow con men.

Ted said...

I have followed both Charlie's website and Mark Mallett's for several years. I also followed Don Stefano Gobbi's alleged locutions from 1985-1998. Although his understanding about 1998 being the decisive year was wrong, his organization continues and, to my mind, produces much good fruit. I recall that Pope John Paul was incorrect about the year 2000 being a highly decisive year on the path to the Triumph and New Pentecost, though JPII was more circumspect about saying it directly. All in all, the folks who comment at Charlie's site seem like very sound Catholic people, and anyone can gain much wisdom from the site, minus the failed prophecy about the presidency. There is no need to go all commando on these folks. Let's all look to our own souls and stay close to Jesus through the sacraments, the rosary and the Catechism.

Ted said...

I'll add one thing: I read the Kevin Symonds article. That is very helpful and balanced. I am reminded to avoid being defensive about Charlie, or too unquestioningly supportive. I, too, noticed a number of problematic ideas and sentiments from Charlie over the time I visited the website, including his sensitivity to criticism or challenges. Others have noted his understanding that the anti-Christ was not a person but an idea, that one can do good without God. Other questionable ideas were put forth by him. Maybe best to let it all go and concentrate on serving God today right where I find myself.

Joe said...

Julia. I think that most people on Mystics of the Church followed Charlie at one time or were at least curious. To say that one group is republican and one democrat is not true. I voted for Trump as many here have, some did not but there is always variation in any group to how people vote. I think Charlie and his followers are complete goofballs. I was curious at one time about Charlie's prophecy, He has proven himself a false prophet beyond a shadow of a doubt. What else is there to talk about?

Anonymous said...

Joe Crozier says:
February 18, 2017 at 2:34 pm

Thank you Dan. With all due respect for Beckita’s perspective I still find it edifying to read your measured and meaningful response. It made me think of my old dad who was also a lawyer and who, like you, progressed to the bench. As you say, this is not just about Beckita or TNRS. It has far wider implications and repercussions. The principles of obligation and restoration are at stake. I agree with everything you have written and hope that Karna and her bosses take full heed of your words and act on them without reserve. Half measures are of no avail. A public wrong needs public correction and public apology. I say to Karna – publish and be saved. As you say, Dan, only “Charity, clarity and truth” will put things right. Only then the right thing will not simply be done but also seen to be done. That is the nature of justice. Mercy has already been shown. Now is the time for justice.

Anonymous said...

Over at Charlie's site, many posters are still unhappy with the archdiocese, despite an apparent cease-fire between Beckita and the Denver spokeswoman. Here is a recent post:

Dan Lynch says:
February 18, 2017 at 8:29 am

Karna Swanson, Executive Director of Communications of the Archdiocese of Denver, responded to my email to her with the same message that she posted on this blog above. If you read it, you will see that she justifies her statement that Beckita made a false statement. She offers no apology or retraction. Her article remains on the diocesan website and has gone worldwide through the Spirit Daily website and the Catholic News Agency. This matter is not just about Beckita or this blog. It is about the moral issues of charity, truth, justice and the obligation to make restitution and, in our times of “fake news”, for Catholic reporters to maintain the highest standards of journalism and integrity. This is my response to Karna:

Dear Karna,

Thank you for your reply. However, your first responsibility is not to provide clarity, it is to provide charity and truth. Your post had neither. Moreover, there was no ambiguity in Beckita’s post. Her statement, “The messages which have been fully approved by the Church”, clearly refers to the preceding sentence regarding the messages of Jesus and Mary and not of Charlie Johnston.

In these times with so much secular “fake news”, Catholics should maintain the highest journalistic standards.

If you misunderstood Beckita’s statement, you then had the duty in charity and, in accordance with standard journalistic practices, to notify her that you intended to accuse her publicly of making a false statement and to obtain her comment. Had you done that, it would have been the end of the matter because she would have resolved your misunderstanding by telling you the truth.

In any event, now that you fully know that you misunderstood her, your post that she made a false statement is still there on the diocesan website on February 18, three days after its release. Moreover, your false accusation has gone worldwide through the Spirit Daily website and the Catholic News Agency.

Now you should make restitution. You should remove your post and post another statement that explains your misunderstanding, retracts your statement that she made a false statement and apologize for any of harm that you have caused her dignity and reputation as a truthful person.

Only then will there be charity, clarity and truth!

Sincerely in Christ,
Dan Lynch

Anonymous said...

I see no valuable point or function in the ongoing TNRS "community" as it is founded upon proven falsity. As our beautiful saviour said of a house built on sand "27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.” Far better that they go now and live fully in the house built on The Rock lest they be swept away in the ultimate fall of TNRS which will surely come.

I also question Charlie's assertion that he has lived in poverty to run TNRS. The photos of his home, the way he dresses, the soujourns in the cabin, the not having to work or earn an income, the sale of DVDs and other goods on other sites and the acceptance of admittedly unsolicited donations and even the actually running of the website stand in stark contrast to this assertion.

Joe said...

If Charlie has not been making money how has he afforded to live without working. That is a good question. There is a good possibility Charlie has been profiting from his lies and manipulation all under the guise of the Catholic Church. His followers are now using thier bullying tactics on the Denver archdiocese, namely Dan Lynch and fully supported by our old buddy Joe Crozier, no surprise there. These people have lost all ability to think rationally and logically. They may need psychological help to overcome thier deeply disturbing cult- like thinking at this point. Remember NRSers the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Unknown said...

Wow! I wonder what God would think about some of these comments! Satan is the king of division! If I were of another faith and I read these comments, I certainly would want no part of the Catholic faith. Where is your charity???

Anonymous said...

I didn't know that guy before his case surfaced in Spiritdaily as possible big fail with the presidential elections. And now, the Archdiocese can't wait anymore but to say he is unsupported... because Obama didn't do what he said. No word about his spirituality whatsoever. As if those in the archdiocese are so holy...OK he failed about Obama, that is clear even without that declaration.

I wonder where are those all knowing clerics when it is about Fatima that John Paul II and Ratzinger failed in their 2000 publication to guess correctly, or Don Gobi who claimed 2000 will see the reign of the Immaculate Heart and Eucharistic reign...Or the Civilization of love that John Paul II promoted for his long reign, only the world reached 9/11 and the aftermath. Not that John Paul II was guilty, but he failed to recognize the signs of the times, and preached some rosy future that never came.

Or it matters when it is about discrediting a common lay man who says what he sees and hears, who after all does not represent the teaching of the Church even if genuine...

That all leads me to think, that exactly the top religious ones have what to hide, and what to fear about, if their secrets come to light. For 2,000 years or let put it at 1,800 years...

I wonder how about One only generation later when it will transpire how much we were lied all the time. Who willl remain to believe anymore lies.

Anonymous said...

Unknown, pointing out wrong is not being uncharitable. Jesus did it, consider his comments about the Pharisees, money lenders in the temple etc. In fact he was crucified because he did this, but he was not in the wrong, he was not being uncharitable. If everyone never speaks up about wrong doing for fear of being uncharitable, Satan would really have a stranglehold over the world. People often say this when they see what is being said is true but are uncomfortable about it so they try to silence the speaker. Charlie J hurt a lot of people very badly. This needs to be said. And saying it is not being uncharitable it is being quintessentially Christian.

Anonymous said...

Question: Is Beckita's avator an image of "Our Lady of Emmitsburg?" I believe in the previous article on the presidential prophecy someone mentioned Beckie Hesse had been a follower of that apparition, which is sanctioned by the church.

Christene Bartels said...

It should be noted that there has been phone correspondence between the Archdiocese and "Beckita" that was referenced in a comment made by the Communications Director of the Archdiocese, Ms. Swanson, on TNRS site 2/17/2017. It would seem that the concerns that the Archdiocese had with Ms. Hesse's post of Feb. 7th and which prompted the press release reiterating their position on Mr. Johnston's failed prophecies was made due to an unfortunate misunderstanding about the content of that Feb. 7th post. That matter has now been cleared up, seemingly to the satisfaction of all.
The TNRS site has moved on from the prophetic elements of Mr. Johnston's message and is now focusing on his core message of acknowledging God, taking the next right step, and being a sign of hope to others which, at the moment, is focusing on the Nineveh90 challenge in preparation for the 100th anniversary of the appearances of Our Lady of Fatima.
It serves absolutely no useful purpose to rehash and comment on situations that ceased to exist the moment Mr. Johnston acknowledged his failed prophecies, took full responsibility for them, and removed himself from further public commentary.
So, unless there is some evidence that the Archdiocese of Denver has a problem with the content and direction that Ms. Hesse is taking the site going forward, may I suggest, in the interest of charity, that this matter now be laid to rest.

Anonymous said...

From Charlie's site, it appears people are not taking "Christene Bartels'" advice:

Christene says:
February 17, 2017 at 10:46 pm


What a lovely, blessed, and peaceful resolution to what was simply an unfortunate misunderstanding. Thank-you Karna and Beckita for such a beautiful witness to the fruits that a path of humility, charity, goodwill and dialogue will bear when followed. It is just unfortunate that it didn’t come before a certain blogger at the National Catholic Register felt the need to add her two cents worth and stir up a veritable hornets nest of stunningly uncharitable and misinformed comments. The level of vitriol that is present in the body of Christ and hurled towards fellow believers is beyond tragic. We all need to remember that we will held to account for every word that falls out of our mouths.
“But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” Matt. 5:22

Christene Bartels said...

Please illuminate me, Anonymous, on how my comment on the TNRS site and the comment I just posted here somehow contradict one another.

Joe said...

Christine Bartels, If the Catholic Church got it wrong about Charlie why have they not redacted thier initial statement publicly. Beckita may use the excuse that she was talking about something other than Charlie yet she still continues to pound the messages of the rescue 2017 in turn giving Charlie's prophecies credibility of which they have none. This is what the archdiocese was warning about. The commenters over there continually try to twist Charlie's prophecies to try to make a square peg fit in a round hole. This is another example of the behavior that the Church spoke out against. For you to say that the NRSers have moved on from Charlie's prophecies is in Charlie's own words unadulterated poppycock. If you have an opposing argument please fight fair and do not make up things and twist the truth to prove your points. I am really fed up with NRSers pulling this type of crap constantly. Also can you not see how dishonest it is of Charlie, Beckita and Steve to not allow barely any comments that challenge or oppose them, it is like they have created thier own little world over there. Lastly for you to come here and talk about people being uncharitable is equivalent to standing on your head and telling the rest of the world they are upside down. You NRSers are embarrassing yourselves, the church and your families. It is time for this nonsense to stop and for this cult to go away.

Anonymous said...

Christene,

You are accusing the NCR blogger of animus toward Charlie. Your statement that we will all be held to account is vintage Charlie, BTW, he used it constantly to browbeat people into silence. In fact, getting people to shut up about Charlie seems to be the goal of the intimidation campaign you all have launched over there, against this website and against Charlie's own archdiocese!!

Is there any church supervision of Beckita and her website? Is she in obedience to her own bishop? If a Catholic archdiocese publicly rebuked me I would do everything I could to follow their lead! BECKITA HAS NOT ADDRESSED THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE STATEMENT, THE ONE THAT SAYS EVENTS HAVE PROVED CHARLIE FALSE. Why not?

You say Charlie has removed himself from public comment. Yet TNRS has held the door open for him to return and publish his new musings on various subjects, hasn't it? He's still on duty until next year, isn't he?

Christene Bartels said...

No, I did not accuse the blogger at NCR of having animus towards Charlie. Ever. I simply pointed out that her article stirred up a hornet's nest of stunningly uncharitable and misinformed comments and I hardly have to justify THAT opinion!
Carry on with your rantings about Charlie and his site. Far be it for me to put a damper on someone else's idea of a good time.I stumbled upon this site through a link on Spirit Daily and thought I would share my thoughts. A mistake I certainly won't be repeating. Peace.

Joe said...

Christene looks like another hit and run from Charlie's site. This is becoming quite the pattern with NRSers, Come her make a bunch of claims and accusations, when presented with the truth scurry away. These people are nuts.

Anonymous said...

I would like to share a view of the prophesies that are being dissed in this discussion, and they are nothing to do with Charlie Johnston.

Saint John Paul asked us to open the doors to Jesus Christ ready for the years following the year 2000. I never remember him saying there would be some big sky event that the whole world would see and change their lives after. He was the one who first called us 'The Easter People.'

Now on a lighter note I ask you, have we become the Easter bunny people, there certainly seems to be an obsession with doing what bunnies are famous for these days.

Then Father Gobbi RIP spoke about changes that would come by the year 2000. Because once again there was no big sky event that the whole world would see and change their lives after, many critics accused him of not making an accurate prediction. Let me say I do not like to hear prophesy described as prediction, our Faith is not a gambling institution.

The real deal is, if you look at the prophesies of Saint Don Bosco, it is recorded that he said there would be a period from 1510 to 19.. in which something would happen. I am convinced if you look at this seriously and stop the predictions mularky, you should have noticed the problem of so many muslims flooding the post Christian West, started about the turn of the century. It seemed to me that some sort of restrainer was lifted, and we are witnessing the preparation for a very bloody reckoning before this is all finished.

I do believe Father Gobbi RIP was correct in his prophesy; but not in the way we would expect as ordinary people who are looking for instant results. These things unfold so to speak like the seasons. And They Certainly Are Unfolding.....

Now, I would like to remind everyone, or maybe you already know. The stars in the Sky over Mexico at the time the miraculous image of Blessed Mother appeared on the Tilma, are shown on the picture itself; but shown as if you were standing above in the Heavens not as we see them here on earth. In other words a mirror image. In September 2017 the movement of the stars will have completed the same positions as seen on the Tilma, and this started on 20th September 2016, the feast of Christ the King.

Imagine the sign in the sky over us all right now. You can look it up on the internet, and it is a scientific fact.

I came to realise the image of Blessed Mother on the Guadalupe Tilma perfectly describes Chapter 12 in the Book of Revelation. Mary is described as clothed with the sun, crowned with 12 stars and standing on the moon, about to give birth.

This is of far greater significance than anything I have come across anywhere, and every other debate should be in stunned silence and awe at what God is doing right above us even as we speak.

Come Lord Jesus, come and renew the face of the earth. And with the help of God, poor Charlie can get back to being a granddad.!!! love from Julia.

Snowy Owl said...

Julia, thank you for posting this! Beautiful, just beautiful!
I remember when Pope JPII was distressed that Saddam etc., were being removed from power knowing this would unsettle the balance in the ME... knowing this would begin the removal of the restrainer, that this was the sign.He warned the world we would see chaos. Many warned the world... and so we see now.
I believe Fr Gobi, Pope JPII and Don Bosco and so many others were all correct and eventually we will understand that the delay of the timing was MERCY.
If God had not delayed- I would most likely have ended dying in sin.How many of us could say this? How many of us even think of this? Many souls would have been lost. God is so merciful and that is where our focus should be... to stop offending Him.
Again and again the Lord brings me back to Zacharias 13:1-9
In that day there shall be a fountain open to the house of David, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem: for the washing of the sinner, and of the unclean woman.
And it shall come to pass in that day,saith the Lord of hosts, that I will destroy the names of idols out of the earth, and they shall be remembered no more: and I will take away the false prophets, and the unclean spirit out of the earth.
And it shall come to pass, that when any man shall prophesy any more, his father and his mother that brought him into the world, shall say to him: Thou shalt not live: because thou hast spoken a lie in the name of the Lord. And his father, and his mother, his parents, shall thrust him through, when he shall prophesy.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be confounded, every one by his own vision, when he shall prophesy, neither shall they be clad with a garment of sackcloth, to deceive:
But he shall say: I am no prophet, I am a husbandman: for Adam is my example from my youth.
And they shall say to him: What are these wounds in the midst of thy hands? And he shall say: With these I was wounded in the house of them that loved me.
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn my hand to the little ones.
And there shall be in all the earth, saith the Lord, two parts in it shall be scattered, and shall perish: but the third part shall be left therein.
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined: and I will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say: Thou art my people: and they shall say: The Lord is my God.
Zacharias 13: 1-9

Snowy Owl said...

Joe, I didn't mention Charlie at all.
You did. Again.
Charlie is gone and you are the one here who is not letting go. I have let go. I pray for him because he's a truly good man with a truly good heart. He helped me get through a very excruciatingly painful event in my life and for that I will always respect and love him. I don't care about his failed prophecy because God is bigger than all of this, all events, all time, and any one of us and our limited understanding. He is in complete control of everything. God will take care of everything and when this happens...and it will, where will you be? Gnashing your teeth in anger?
I am sorry that you are so angry. I will pray for you.

Anonymous said...

TNRSers have tragically missed the point of our lives. We are not called to concentrate on following a message least of all a message from a disproved "prophet." We are called to have a deep relationship with a person - or rather three persons in one, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and in turn use this as the cornerstone for our relationships with others and ourselves. There was a sarcasm in several of their comments which does not seem like taking a right step or being a sign of hope.

There seems to be a pattern emerging. Whenever people here seem to be reaching a type of equilibrium and some healing appears to be happening here one of the NRSers turns up to stir the pot and open people's wounds again. Seems satanic to me. They are best dealt with prayer and maybe ignoring of their nonsense. Satan has already been defeated by Christ.

David said...

Snowy Owl,

Your assessment of Charlie's failed prophecy seems to be that it may well have been an act of God's mercy, and you point to other "mystics" to support this possibility:

I believe Fr Gobbi, Pope JPII and Don Bosco and so many others were all correct and eventually we will understand that the delay of the timing was MERCY.

So following the above reasoning, might the failed prophecy of LTTW also be an act of God's mercy? Where does it end?

If EVERY prophecy is conditional then all we know with certitude is that someday Christ will return. Beyond that, things like the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart, the rise of Menses, a shrine on Mount Meeker, 26 million dead, a society that resembles Mayberry RFD, etc., may happen this year, may happen in 100 years, may happen in 1000 years, or may never happen.

So I ask this in all sincerity...what value do these "seers" add to our Catholic faith beyond tickling our curiosity?

Glenn Dallaire said...


Joe,
I deleted your last comment because it really wasn't all that charitable---it was definitely something better left unsaid.

-Glenn





Snowy Owl said...

David and those hung up TNRS, I have always followed and will always follow the way the Lord gave me to follow Him 35 years ago. I was taught to get on my knees every morning first thing, and ask God my Father for the meekness and humility of His Son Jesus Christ, to give my will to God, ask God to take my will if I found I could not freely give it, and repent of my sins, asking for the opposite virtue. To repeat this every night before I sleep and as many times as is necessary throughout the day. To remain obedient to the His Church and to Holy Father,and all in authority over me. This has never failed me.
When I was led to Charlie's site, I saw the similarity in TNRS,it's like a signature. And so I stayed and developed friendships with the wonderful people there. I believed Charlie and believed in his prophecy because the way I see it, it is all about Charity and love of God. When God send a prophet I believe we should listen because it is a gift to us. When the prophecy fails, that is God's business, not mine. My trust is in God, not man. What have I lost? Nothing! I have gained and grown in love and trust of God because everything was done out of Charity for me.Even my suffering due to failures of every kind become a gain and a gift for me. God will take care of everything and we not fear any man, any failures! Men will always fail,because we are sinners all! God will never fail. This is how I see it. This is what I live by. God alone!

Joe said...

Glenn, since when is the truth uncharitable. I am done commenting on here. Anyone who believes the crap on Charlie's site is a complete fool, nothing more needs to be said.

Anonymous said...

Snowy Owl,

You wrote "When God send a prophet I believe we should listen because it is a gift to us. When the prophecy fails, that is God's business, not mine."

Do you believe Charlie was a prophet sent by God?

Do you believe Charlie's predictions failed to come true because God intervened?

Glenn Dallaire said...

Joe:
You are free, as you always have been, to comment here. As you know this is an "open" forum. All I ask is that everyone be charitable in their comments, following Christian principle and practice of the Gospels. In short, simply refrain from ad-hominem "personal" attacks.

NOW, BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND:
I'll weigh in and share my own take at this point, for whatever it is worth:
I personally did not take Bekita's "Church approved" comment to refer to Charlie--I read it as she defended it, that being that she was referring to various Church approved Marian apparitions throughout the centuries, most especially Fatima---though I could see how her statement in that post could possibly be misinterpreted as referring specifically to Charlie's revelations. And so at this point I am of the opinion that it was a simple misunderstanding.

However, the last paragraph of the Archdiocesan Statement did reveal something important, as it "tipped the hand" as to the thinking of the Archdiocese at this juncture, for we can see that following part of the Archdiocesan Statement really does seem to reveal that the Archdiocese is not very favorable towards Charlie's prophecies at this point:

"The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid."

For me, this was the big takeaway from this affair.

May God bless all who visit here.
-Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

^^What Glenn just said.

Snowy Owl said...

Glenn, thank you, but you did not need to remove Joe's comment for my sake, I wasn't at all offended by him. It wasn't that bad either. He's angry and I believe it's because he was hurt. Prayer and healing are what is needed for all who are angry.I get that.
To Anonymous " Do you believe Charlie was a prophet sent by God?

Do you believe Charlie's predictions failed to come true because God intervened?
February 19, 2017 at 1:47 PM

I will go with the Church on this as with all things... and in this case, that would be Archbishop Aquila, since he is the Archbishop overseeing this, and Charlie himself. Charlie himself has done so as well, and has set a very good example for us all. What this means for me is that I will let it go. I will not dwell on the prophecy or try to make excuses as to why it failed, or if God will correct this. That is God's business not mine. I am not in a position to make any judgements, only remain obedient to the Church. As far as Charlie himself is concerned, he will always remain my friend. As far as God intervening... everything God allows comes from His mercy and love. He will bring good out of all, even evil, if we trust in Him and love Him. That is all I know and what I believe.

Anonymous said...

Our Lord does not condone gossip.

Anonymous said...

I'm always puzzled by people who say they are completely obedient the church and then turn around and ignore the clearly expressed wishes of an archbishop.

The Denver chancery put out two separate warnings against Charlie Johnston, and urged Catholics not to condone or reinterpret his messages. Yet posters on Charlie's website continue to argue about the archdiocese statement, claim that "urge" and "warning" don't really mean what it clearly does mean.

Perhaps Charlie's follwers are waiting for the archdiocese to release a statement that will "beg" people to turn away from Charlie.

Fred Keyes said...

Just a comment here about much of what people consider prophecy. For instance many look at the Book of Revelation and try to decipher the "unfamiliar and extravagant symbolism" contained in that book [quoted phrase from the USCCB]. Looking at the imagery and "predictions" of St. John Bosco and St. John Paul II IMO least falls under the category of apocalyptic literature more than it does biblical prophecy. As apocalyptic literature then it should be taken for the purposes it was intended to be taken, and not in such a literal sense.

See: http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/0

Charlie made it clear he was not writing in apocalyptic mode and so he set up a true/false dichotomy. Didn't work out, as it turned out. Tough times we live in--about that he was right, but we all knew that and it was the hook that reeled many into the drama.

One last thing: Julia brought in the Republican/Democratic aspect of Charlie's site. To me that was one of the biggest red flags. Charlie was hip-deep in political opinion (as are sevral of you here, frankly). The site still is politically bent as they feature Crew Dog who routinely posts from right-wing sites of dubious credibility. This is simply not the stuff of spiritual conversation. It gave me the impression that for many at TNRS, especially Charlie himself, religion was secondary to right-leaning political doctrine.

Snowy Owl said...

Anonymous at 4:36 PM, I'm not sure what you mean by this comment. First of all the Archdiocese did not warn people away from Charlie or his site... The diocese warned people to be careful of his prophecies, then later asked people not to remain focused on the prophecies or try and make them right somehow, because they had failed. Charlie left of his own freewill. They did not ask for or even hint at the site being taken down. Not that I have seen. Other than the failed prophecies, there was nothing wrong with what was being taught on the site and today, with Beckita running it, still nothing wrong with it. What is being posted is solid and in line with the Church.
If you have actually read what Beckita is writing, you will see that she is following what they asked for. Her focus is on Christ and growing in love, peace, trust and in prayer. Read it.
I can't find where Beckita is going against what the Archbishop asked for and in fact has talked with them directly.
Maybe you should let it go and let people share their faith as they see fit. Just a thought...

Fred Keyes said...

Should read "...St. John Bosco and St. John Paul II, IMO, falls under..."

Joe Crozier said...

Still you persist in your misinformation. No attempt has been made to put a spin on the failed prophesies. Why can't you admit this and just stop the calumny, this character assassination of Charlie by anonymous and joe. Give us your names and addresses. or have you no guts. According to an ex judge the statement from the Bishops office made libelous accusations against Beckie. Beckie in her graciousness has let this go and made her peace with the diocese. It has been let off too easily. In the name of truth and justice I would have sued. I have insurance against libel such as I have found here. Why, you may ask have I such insurance. Simply because such abuse is so endemic on the internet usually by cowards and bullies who hide behind a false identity. If I am advised that my name has been libeled either directly or by association I will take action. Are you ready for court Glenn?

Anonymous said...


To correct my (signed Julia) post @ 10.53am 19th February in which the following is stated in discussing the Image of Our Lady of Guadalupe:

The stars in the Sky over Mexico at the time the miraculous image of Blessed Mother appeared on the Tilma, are shown on the picture itself; but shown as if you were standing above in the Heavens not as we see them here on earth. In other words a mirror image. In September 2017 the movement of the stars will have completed the same positions as seen on the Tilma, and this started on 20th September 2016, the feast of Christ the King.
The date of Christ the King of course fell on 20th NOVEMBER 2016 not September as shown. I do apologise for not spotting the incorrect Month in the original post.

@Snowy Owl, I am so glad you enjoyed the post.

And to the Anonymous poster who called people 'fools' I warn you Jesus Himself had very serious words of condemnation to anyone who calls his brother a fool. Go and look it up in the Bible. Julia


Anonymous said...

@ Fred Keyes said. I, Julia did not see any political ya di ya on Charlie J site.

You stated in your post at 6.55pm FALSLEY. "One last thing: Julia brought in the Republican/Democratic aspect of Charlie's site."

It was reading the unbelievable cruelty on this thread that caused me to draw attention to the lack of Christian Charity. I felt the best way was to demonstrate how it actually comes across as political. I don't even live in America so don't have a political preference in that respect.

And I still stand by my original observation. Republican v. Democrat mentality. Not discernment.

Anonymous said...

Joe Crozier, "Cowards and bullies"... Weren't you concerned about Beckita being "doxxed"? Have you complained to the archdiocese about mentioning her real name in that press release? What about YongDuk, doesn't he have "guts" as you put it? As for your ex-judge, attempting to sue for libel in the case of a Roman Catholic archdiocese issuing a warning to Catholics will go nowhere. Charlie Johnston and now Beckie Hesse fit the public figure category in our country, and this is a discussion forum concerning the discernment of Catholic messengers. One thing you have learned, however, is to threaten a libel suit, just like Charlie! Do you see that as the good fruit of following him? I'm sure these posts are considered by church authorities as they continue to look into concerns voiced over his Charlie Johnston and the future of his website.

Joe Crozier said...

I have no problem with Church authorities anonymous. I do have a problem with specimens like you. C'mon - tell us who you really are. LIbel suits are available precisely because of the likes of you. They tightly offer protection and sanction against your verbal violence.

Joe said...

Joe Crozier, you are the type of guy who would go around suing everybody for everything you can think of. You probably make a living off of lawsuits. You didn't get a hot coffee at McDonald's a couple years ago did you. People, like yourself that go around threatening lawsuits like that are bottom feeders. Do you have no shame.

Joe said...

The length these NRSers will go to silence any opposition is ridiculous, threatening lawsuits that is just sad. Joe crozier did your parents not spank you as a child. You are acting like a spoiled brat who did not get his way.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Joe Crozier,
As stated throughout this website, the comment sections of this website are NOT moderated, and the views and opinions expressed in the comments are those of the commentators, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the host of this website.

With this said, if there is a specific comment on this website that your feel is directly libelous against you personally, please let me know.
Glenn Dallaire

Laura said...

"I do not pray for these only but also for those who belive in me through their word, that they may all be one; even as thou Father, art in me and I in the, that they also may be in us,so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one. I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me." John 17:20-23

How the heart of our Savior must be grieved. How would any unbeliever, coming accross this conversation, know that God sent his Son and loves them/us even as the Father loves the Son? We betray Our Lord and Savior by our disunity and we hand the victory over to the evil one. We who are supposed to be known as christians because of our love for one another......how can we dare to call ourselves christians? We do not all need to agree, but we all need to respect the dignity of each other member of the body. The debate over Charlie and Beckita, etc, has brought out the true colors of many here, and no matter what side we stand on we bring judgement on ourselves by our lack of charity towards those who disagree with us.

Thank you for those of you on both sides who listen and respond with love, reason and christian maturity. May we all follow your example. In the end, it doesnt matter which side we stand on if we do not live the most basic teachings of Christ.

Joe said...

Laura, Our savior is grieving because a false prophet has duped so many. When unbelievers see the dis unity, remember it was all caused by one man who had a deap seated need to be the center of attention, so much so that he told some very tall tales. By the way, are you leaving these same types of comments over at the NRS blog. I doubt it. I gues all you get over there is one sided controlled comments anyway. Pretty sad that they are so afraid of the truth being exposed that they won't allow anyone who disagrees.

Joe Crozier said...

Ah anonymous and joe, (aj) you sound so much like those abusive posters from other sites that are infected with the same disease that you seem to carry. For the record I have never sued anyone in my life nor threatened to do so. As for you Glenn, I will leave it to my lawyers to advise you on what is libelous. Perhaps that will induce greater responsibility on your part.

AJ, it is perverted to address a mature gentleman such as myself in the way you have. I wonder just how much younger you are than myself. The impudence, impertinence and impotence of frustrated puerility is evident in your comments. I have seen this sickness elsewhere. Even if you are not much younger than myself you certainly sound as if you are.

I have no interest in silencing opposing views but in silencing the type of demonizing malice that infests your commentary. Its presence is legion on this site. So often it is the tactic of those who wish to attack and destroy to accuse others of the crimes for which they themselves are guilty.

For instance it is you who is the the one who wishes to shut down TRNS,to silence voices that in your opinion, oppose yours, who refuses to listen to the true witness from that site. 1000 voices spoke up in support of Charlie when he went into watchful retirement. Look at the good work for which that site is now a vehicle. Look at its new direction and perspective. Most of the venom here comes from you two. I wonder if you are the same person.

The absolute truth is that the Arcdiocese got it wrong - Rebecca did not say that Charlie's prophesises were Church approved and no attempt has been made by Charlie or Beckie to put a spin on the failed prophesies. These are the facts.

aj, I am sure that in your miserable life you have got away with taunting and teasing and picking on people less able than yourself. Looking on this site I see how rude you were to Snowy and how you tried to pick on her. But she is well able for you. As I am. I recognize your signature and the insults you employ. You have not changed.

You refuse to take responsibility for your foolish actions that you blame on Charlie. You refuse to acknowledge that time and time again Charlie advised you to trust in Christ alone and that he advised against measures to safeguard you from want in the future except for moderate provisions. My whole country here in New Zealand is advised to keep such a store in case of emergency.

What did you actually do?, sell the house?, buy years provisions?, close the bank account?, end the insurance policies?, not pay bills?. give up your job - all such things that were advised against on TNRS.

What is the real reason you want to destroy Charlie and the site he started and the people who are now running it for him. They are good Catholics who obey the Church. Tell us the details of your stupidity or would you prefer to leave them anonymous as well.

Your perversity has dragged the tenor of this site down to a level lower than any other. It seems your depravity even includes an unhealthy interest in spanking. You don't need to grow up so much as to shut up and listen. You contribute nothing but a negative and perfidious spirit. Its time for you to let go and move on. Actually it is time for you to repent and recant but like any naughty boy you deserve a second chance. Say you are sorry and go to your room. Think about what you have done.

Joe said...
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Joe said...

Also Joe Crozier, My lawyers will be contacting you for your'e libel comment about me being perverse. You should be getting served within the next couple days. Good luck and God bless.

Joe Crozier said...

You really should not invoke false blessings or mix God with luck. You obviously do not understand English never mind the law. I look forward to receiving your identity from your lawyers. Meanwhile try to think of a new way to insult me. Repetition is boring. What a wally. Wipe your nose and go to bed. You do not have a case. Otherwise I would happily "get off" it.

Anonymous said...

To start a lawsuit is human, to forgive divine. Love, rather than hate your enemies. Love one another for by this shall all know you are followers of Christ. Who has the courage here to ask God for the strength/grace to forgive? Who if forgiven will reform and cease treating the other badly? Jesus awaits your answers.....

Fred Keys said...

Anon @7:51: I apologize, I was wrong on who posted the Democrat/Republican thing. It was not Julia.

But sir, you prove my point. It's interesting is it not that even as a foreigner you detected the political bent of Charlie's blog?

Joseph J. said...


Observations gleaned from various comments here and elsewhere:
Heeding Charlie's forecast of a great "storm", it seems quite a few folks bought significant material provisions and preparations. And why not? Given such information concerning a predicted global crisis, many parents, grandparents etc would obviously try to prepare for such a catastrophic event. I read a couple of comments also where apparently a couple of folks even moved or bought 2nd homes in rural locations.

Therefore one can see that these prophecies of Charlie obviously had a very significant effect in the lives of a number of people. And here lies one of the more adverse aspects of false prophecy, along with the disappointment or disillusionment that comes when such prophecies fail.

Glenn Dallaire said...


For those interested, John Allen Jr. over at Cruxnow.com recently published an article entitled On the ‘Great Storm’ and the trouble with the tremendous wherein he discusses Charlie and the subject of private end-times revelations.

(Special thanks goes to my friend Mary for sending me the link).

-Glenn Dallaire

Lisa said...

I found this site while researching a return to the Catholic Church in 2015. This site led me to Charlie's site, which I believed until Charlie began answering questions uncharitably. I'm a conservative. I'm also a convert whose cradle Catholic husband was arrested for indecent exposure, sexual harassment and stalking during our marriage. Marriage Encounter didn't work. Marriage counseling didn't work. My husband is now remarried outside the church but still takes communion because he goes to a parish that doesn't know his history. The Catholic Church made me agree to raise my children as Catholic before I could be married in it, but was not there for me when my Catholic husband broke God's laws and man's laws, other than to hand me pages of questions to answer and send me requests for money. It was not there for my 3 children, either, 2 of whom have left the Church and one who tells me to go to a parish that doesn't know me to take communion. I don't know about a storm, but I do know that the Catholic Church as I knew it is gone. Mentally ill people are being raised up as "seers" based on their word alone and the Pope is slandered publicly by supposedly good Catholics every day. Charlie Johnston and Dan Lynch, through their "apostolates," have helped me to see the cult-like aspects of the Church. If you're able to take communion, run from these "apostolates" and straight to Mass. That's where your savior is.

Anonymous said...

Lisa:

Your comment could be full of rage. Instead, you have presented the "facts" of your lived experience. My brother is in an irregular situation as he has made three marriages. In his desire to return to the Church, he talked with a priest, joined the parish, is actively helping in ministry and does not receive communion. He makes a spiritual communion and will do so until his situation changes. (That will likely be when he dies.)

Your comment holds a lot of wisdom, especially the last sentence. That's what I am doing. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Lisa, for sharing your story for the sake of other's! God bless you and help you in your healing.

Joe said...

Lisa, sorry about all that you are going through. This is exactly why I am so mad at Charlie and his followers. I think there is a lot of Catholics out there that are really fed up with what is going on in the Church and World. Many have been through so much suffering and disappointment. Charlie may really have been thier last hope. Here is God using this man as a conduit to convey a message that he is coming to rescue us from this sick world and return us to a time where morals still mattered and evil was not promoted as Good and Good as evil. But in the end, it is just another sour disappointment from a sick twisted man, and what kills me is how nonchalant Charlie has been about his failures like they never meant anything anyway and they never hurt anyone. Then to add insult to injury if you tried to question the guy he and his followers would turn into complete jerks, attack you, mock you and then ban you from speaking about it. I am sorry but this is just evil behavior and Charlie will one day have answer to God for the souls he misled. I also am not worried about being to charitable to him and his cult followers after all of the evil they have promoted in the name of Christ. Maybe I will have to answer for that someday. Who knows maybe God is just as mad at Charlie and his followers as I am.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Thanks Lisa for sharing a bit of your spiritual journey here. Your sincerity is inspiring.

May God bless you and your loved ones,
Glenn Dallaire

psieve2 said...

It seems most, if not all, "mystics" whose experiences and messages have been found false have gone to Medjugorje.

Anonymous said...

Fred Keys, You are so right about political bias among Charlie J's followers! They push the Charlie was right meme in his Obama prophecies!

Also Fred I looked up Crew Dog and he is all over the web pushing far-right milita type talk!! They do not give up! Beckita keeps posting this stuff too!


Christene says:
February 21, 2017 at 5:41 am

Beckita I don’t know if you should post this comment because I do not want to, in any way, antagonize the precarious situation this precious site is in right now by referencing Charlie’s prophecies but I feel compelled to share this article and my thoughts on how it may tie in to the article Crux just ran. If this does show up in the comment feed I will understand. Do what is best.

This is an article written by David Stockman (who served in the Reagan administration) via the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity and here is a juicy snippet;
“As one writer for LawNewz noted regarding acting Attorney General Sally Yates’ voyeuristic pre-occupation with Flynn’s intercepted conversations, Nixon should be rolling in his grave with envy:
Now, information leaks that Sally Yates knew about surveillance being conducted against potential members of the Trump administration, and disclosed that information to others. Even Richard Nixon didn’t use the government agencies themselves to do his black bag surveillance operations. Sally Yates involvement with this surveillance on American political opponents, and possibly the leaking related thereto, smacks of a return to Hoover-style tactics. As writers at Bloomberg and The Week both noted, it wreaks of ‘police-state’ style tactics. But knowing dear Sally as I do, it comes as no surprise.
Yes, that’s the same career apparatchik of the permanent government that Obama left behind to continue the 2016 election by other means. And it’s working. The Donald is being rapidly emasculated by the powers that be in the Imperial City due to what can only be described as an audacious and self-evident attack on Trump’s Presidency by the Deep State.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/stockman-warns-trump-flynns-gone-theyre-still-gunning-you-donald

Beckita, when Charlie prophesied that Obama would not finish his term, that there would be no peaceful transfer of power, and that Donald Trump would not be installed as President, everyone assumed that it meant if we had the pomp and circumstance of an inauguration on Jan. 20th, then that meant the prophecy was false. But I disagree. It is becoming increasingly clear that, although Obama is not physically in the Whitehouse and officially running things, he is still very much in control of the government. He HAS NOT finished his term because he has not relinquished his power. There has not been a peaceful transfer of power and Donald Trump is being prevented from being able to assume his rightful place in history as the 45th president. And this is not coming from the twisted, wishful thinking of Charlie’s “brainwashed, cult members” as we are so charitably portrayed by so many, but this is now being realized and voiced by people in the highest levels of government.

I think that the article in Crux magazine is going to be pivotal in the coming days as all of this continues to unfold because it shared Charlie’s prophecies to the world at large. Charlie is going to be proven right and it won’t be because the Church put her stamp of approval on his prophecies…….the secular world will.

Peace to all here. I continue to hold all of you, and especially our dear Charlie, and all of your needs in my heart and in my prayers each and every day.

Fred Keyes said...

Christene, really? This is the kind of scare talk we regularly saw on Charlie's site. Please expand your sources of news. The MSM may tilt this way and that sometimes, but fair-minded people can separate fact from tilt. Get real, my friend.

Anonymous said...

Christine,
The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid.

Anonymous said...

Hi Christene

Thank you for standing up for Charlie but he has been very clear that he does not want anyone to try to put a spin on the failed prophesy about Obama and Trump. He himself has said he was objectively wrong and has expressed strongly the wish that everyone leave it at that. He got it wrong just as the Archdiocese got it wrong about what Rebecca wrote. We don't pillory the Archdiocese for their mistake.

We clarify, forgive and forget as Beckita has done even without their admission of error and the wrong they did to Beckita's reputation as a reliable source of information. Charlie has been true to his word and walked away referring to himself as an unreliable prophet but not as a false prophet because he told no deliberate lies. He has remained silent about his other prophesies. As for those others, as you say, time will tell - but again I say, true to his word, Charlie has remained silent. I do not know enough about politics to comment on your well reasoned opinions, but the Archdiocese specifically referenced only the failed prophesies - not the other ones.

It was the ones about the election that were seen to be "not accurate." These are the only ones that have objectively failed and been seen to have objectively failed. No attempt has ever been made by Charlie or Beckita to condone or support any attempt to condone or reinterpret them.

None having been made by them, as far as they are concerned, the exhortation against "further" spin is a non sequitur. The use of the word "further" gives a false impression. But I am sure that the spirit of caution that is advised by the Archdiocese will be well heeded.

If you read the leadership directives on TRNS you will they have set aside Charlie's prophesies. The focus on TNRS is now more finely tuned than ever on God and His command to love Him and our neighbour, on prayer and preparation as holy scripture advises - stay awake and keep your lamps trimmed, and make sure your wedding attire is at hand. No one knows the day or the hour except our Father in heaven. TRNS is a fine community of Catholics sharing their faith, building each other up and being a sign of hope for all.

You are a brave woman to have faced the snarls and the drawn back lips of the pack.
Joe Crozier

Anonymous said...

This is what Beckita posted on TRNS on Feb 20

"We’re not proclaiming a Rescue by the end of 2017. We’ve actually put the discussion of Charlie’s prophecies to rest for now. And that’s a good thing. If our only hope was placed in Charlie, we had misplaced our hope. We each need Christ. He is our Hope. He always has been and He always will be."

Joe Crozier

Anonymous said...

With all due respect, the response posted by Joe Crozier at 4:31 pm, and Christene's earlier comment proves the wisdom and necessity of publishing the archdiocesan statement. It also demonstrates, I fear, that some vocal members of Johnston's followers continue to make statements contrary to the spirit of the archbishop's statement, even as they precariously insist they hew to its letter; indeed, as I read their comments I am reminded of the admonition in Matthew 23:24, “You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!"

It appears ridiculous to insist that a website, whose banner is filled with links to Johnston's posts such as "My Purpose", "I Proclaim the Rescue", "Visit Videos", and "Song of Thanksgiving," serves any purpose other than to draw attention to Johnston and his alleged messages, and to keep alive the devotion of his acolytes. Christene's comment, cited by Anon. 12:53 pm, is so clearly out of tune with the purported new tone of TNRS, it needs no examination. Crozier's comment, seemingly more forgiving, still breathes of confrontation and rejection of the archdiocesan action. This bodes ill for the future of the website and its community. I quote Crozier below. (Following the example of previous posters to this site, I will use italics to show quoted material and use boldface type to draw attention to particular, problematic sentences.)

"Thank you for standing up for Charlie but he has been very clear that he does not want anyone to try to put a spin on the failed prophesy about Obama and Trump. He himself has said he was objectively wrong and has expressed strongly the wish that everyone leave it at that. He got it wrong just as the Archdiocese got it wrong about what Rebecca wrote. We don't pillory the Archdiocese for their mistake.

"We clarify, forgive and forget as Beckita has done even without their admission of error and the wrong they did to Beckita's reputation as a reliable source of information. Charlie has been true to his word and walked away referring to himself as an unreliable prophet but not as a false prophet because he told no deliberate lies. He has remained silent about his other prophesies. As for those others, as you say, time will tell - but again I say, true to his word, Charlie has remained silent. I do not know enough about politics to comment on your well reasoned opinions, but the Archdiocese specifically referenced only the failed prophesies - not the other ones.

"It was the ones about the election that were seen to be "not accurate." These are the only ones that have objectively failed and been seen to have objectively failed. No attempt has ever been made by Charlie or Beckita to condone or support any attempt to condone or reinterpret them.

"None having been made by them, as far as they are concerned, the exhortation against "further" spin is a non sequitur. The use of the word "further" gives a false impression. But I am sure that the spirit of caution that is advised by the Archdiocese will be well heeded...

Joe said...

Joe Crozier, unreliable prophet is a new term to me, I never heard that term mentioned in the Bible. I always figured you were a true prophet or a false prophet, don't see how there is any in between. If I say that the sky will be pink tommorow and that my Angel told it to me, when I I am wrong do I get the unreliable prophet treatment as well. Sounds silly don't it, I think people would be well within thier rights to call me false. The fact that Beckita's whole article was about the rescue at the end of 2017, exactly as Charlie had predicted is there any wonder that it raised the eyebrows of the Denver archdiocese. I believe that article was purposely written the way it was to see if she could get away with it and if she got busted she left herself an out. Joe it must be nice to come here and express your opinion freely. Sadly, there are many here not given the same rights at the NRS site.

Anonymous said...

Rarely have I seen such perfidious malice and rash judgement. No wonder you choose to hide behind your anonymity. Are you and Joe the same person? I alone have judged the comment of the Archdiocese but not the commentator. I have agreed with its exhortation of caution. I expressed my support of its spirit and in that I now strain out nothing but focus in its good intent. Charlie is no longer there. Your mocking and disrespectful use of my surname and your insulting use of the word acolyte are noticed and forgotten. I have told you what the focus and purpose of TRNS is. Yuu have chosen to dismiss that out of hand.

I defend my friend as I would defend any friend against the likes of you. I obey the Church. I have never put a spin on any of Charlie's prophesies. Your accusations and insinuations are false. Your emboldened words simply give truth to my statement.


The archdiocese did misinterpret Beckita's statement. They have admitted that clarification was necessary and their misunderstanding has been cleared up and settled in private. In Beckita's own words the had a lovely visit and all is now good. I still think when someone has done a public wrong they should make good in public. This is my opinion, not Beckita's. I will not repeat this. I will not engage further with the anonymous evil that is in your comments. Have it your way. I will try to have it God's way. Sanctimonious as that may sound you should try it.
Joe Crozier

Joe said...

Joe Crozier, you are the model of sanctity we should all aspire to follow in your footsteps. I think most saints threaten lawsuits when people disagree with them. You are a funny guy.

Joe Crozier said...

For the benefit of others on MotC

"We remain as a community, supporting each other and praying for one another while honoring this caution: “… the archdiocese encourages them to seek their security in Jesus Christ, the sacraments, and the Scriptures. The faithful should also remember Christ’s words: “But about that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Mt. 24:36)."

This was posted by Beckita yesterday.

Joe Crozier

The guy in the back pew said...

In response to a poster on TNRS website who asked whether continuing to proclaim a rescue in late 2017 put the TNRS group in opposition to the Archdiocese, Beckita responded:

"We’re not proclaiming a Rescue by the end of 2017. We’ve actually put the discussion of Charlie’s prophecies to rest for now. And that’s a good thing. If our only hope was placed in Charlie, we had misplaced our hope. We each need Christ. He is our Hope. He always has been and He always will be."

I see no problem with that response, however the TNRS blog does have links to the prophecies of Charlie that Beckita said they are putting to rest.

This would be akin to someone maintaining the LTTW website saying those prophecies were no longer important but they were still drawing people to the LTTW website, and indirectly to the false prophecies.

Anonymous said...


Glenn,

This comment is wrong, isn't it??

Glenn, you said you spoke with Charlie's spiritual director and the priest said he had no control over what Charlie wrote, didn't read it beforehand. Didn't Charlie's priest say Charlie's messages had no connection to Opus Dei either? That means those people who were supposed to "vet" Charlie did nothing of the kind, much less stake their professional reputations on it.

Very, very funny thing to say, staking "professional and personal reputations on its quality." The priests in Denver didn't like Charlie, didn't he say that in a comment somewhere, a Denver priest was out to get him, worked with a blogger to destroy his reputation, called people who were associated with him (Charlie) to warn them!

How come I remember reading this at Glenn's blog and SteveBC gets it wrong?





SteveBC says:
February 21, 2017 at 1:28 pm

SanSan, I have a different perspective here from Beckita’s, something more akin to others here who are continuing to seek different perspectives on current events, whether those perspectives are secular, analytic, speculative or prophetic in nature. I do see Beckita’s point, though.

With Charlie and his prophecies, we have three spiritual directors and the Archdiocese of Denver reviewing voluminous written material and staking their personal and professional reputations on its quality.

My problem with this video is that it’s just a video by a guy dressed like a priest saying stuff that’s cool about a guy who was incredibly precise about Trump, and a brick that guy put behind a Door in the 1980s...

Joe said...

Comment 7:33. Yes they still quote Charlie like they are quoting scripture. They often look to his so called wisdom when trying to figure out a problem. It is really sick behavior.

Joe said...

Anonymous 7:54
Charlie and his minions are being exposed more everyday. Thanks for catching that. These people are very dishonest.

Anonymous said...

Rubbish

Joe said...

Anonymous 8:43, Charlie is that you?

Christene Bartels said...

Say kids, it's been brought to my attention that a comment I made on the TNRS site was copied by someone from this site and then posted and now you are addressing me as if I am actually here trying to engage you in dialogue. I'm not. That is just plain weird. And kinda creepy. Please stop it.

Thanks! Peace! #Jesusloveyou!

Boo said...

Spin indeed. Everything is “approved for discernment” in that we are called to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5:21) lest we be deceived. This does NOT mean that Charlie’s messages are ‘approved’ for belief by the people. This is a terribly misleading notion.

For the record, the laity is most definitely NOT part of the ‘system’ of deciding whether some message is from God or not, public opinion or popularity is not relevant AT ALL. Never has been. 1) is the message consistent with scripture or magisterial teaching? 2) have the prophesies come true? 3) are miracles/healings of diving origin, that is, can they be explained by natural phenomena? 4) Are the said miracles or wonders of divine or diabolic nature? (Because both are possible, eg. Ecstacies, stigmata, witnesses seeing unusual things can be demonic in origin as the demonic have access to the physical).

5) what are the fruits? Confusion? Disobedience? Or Faith? Conversions?

These are the criterion which the Church uses to decide if apparitions/messages are divine in origin or not. NOT the laity’s opinions or ‘feeeeeelings’.

Anonymous said...

I believe in Our Ladies messages given to the visionary children at Garabandal, Spain, in the 1960's. She spoke of the Tribulation of Communism, by Russia, being something that would come upon the world in the future. I, believe, in this year 2017, the 100-th anniversary of Fatima, the Tribulation of Communism may very likely occur. And the Warning,(or the Illumination of Conscience), as well as the great Miracle, spoken about by Our Lady at Garabandal, will follow it. Many believe that these two things will occur in 2018. And the reason that I, and others believe this,is because the visionaries of Garabandal,said that the great Miracle will occur in an even numbered year, and the Warning which comes, first, will happen in the same year. We need to pray that the war of the Tribulation of Communism, which is supposed to start in Europe, will be lessened or mitigated. I received a vision about two months, ago, of two nuclear bombs exploding. I asked the Lord what it meant. And I felt in my spirit God telling me to pray that it wouldn't happen. That prayers could prevent it. People of course do not have to believe any of what I have stated, or said here. But I, myself, believe in the messages of Our Lady of Garabandal, and I will heed her messages. Mother Mary said to pray, pray, pray. And it is my belief that if war does come upon the nations, by Russia, that God may very well keep us safe, as He did the Israelites. God had the angel of death pass over the homes of the people who marked their door posts with the blood of a lamb, and God parted the Red Sea so that His people could pass through,(and then brought the waves back together again, to block the way of the pursuing Egyptians). In Hiroshima, from what I've heard, when the atomic bomb went off, there, those living in a Jesuit Community there, and who prayed the rosary faithfully, were not hurt or killed. And these are only a few examples of our loving, faithful, and protective God. Mary has appeared through many years, all over the world, warning people of the need to draw close to God, and to reform their lives and turn to Him. Mother Mary has shed literal tears and blood, at Akita, because she is so distressed about the state of our world. Again,no need to believe any of what I am saying. But I, myself, believe. And I believe that we as Catholics and Christians, who do believe, need to pray and be prepared. We all know this to be a critical time in history. God bless you all.

Anonymous said...

YES. TAKE CHARLIE'S MATERIAL DOWN!! THERE IS NO REAL REASON FOR HIS SITE TO CONTINUE.

janet says:
February 21, 2017 at 2:08 pm

Hi Beckita,

So what you’re saying is that from now on there is to be no mention of any unapproved private revelation in here at all. Yes… I can understand why you are now saying this. Though I don’t think there is a ban by the Church on just talking about them, so long as we don’t promote them as being true. I was excited about the video and wanted to know what others thought about it but you say we should be careful now about sharing such things.

Michael Patrick posted…”First, it’s valid, because Janet –– or anyone else in this vein –– thinks it valid.”

If you are referring to me Patrick. I never said it was valid. I thought it was worth a listen to seeing as a priest was talking about it…but saying it was valid? No I never said that.

If we’re being honest, the majority of us came in here because we really wanted to believe Charlie’s visions were true. So even though Charlie, and you say now, that it is not about prophecy, the truth is that is what brought many of us here in the first place. We wanted to believe Our Lady was coming to rescue us late 2017. (Though I still believe this is a very special year.) So why are we still here? I can see from the posts that friendships have been made, and that’s beautiful, but what do we post about now?

Please don’t take this the wrong way…but maybe you should write something with clear guidelines, Beckita. And maybe Charlie’s alleged prophecies above will have to be taken off?

God Bless You

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Beckita says:
February 21, 2017 at 11:25 pm

Janet, I know your good will and your questions are ones I have been pondering since I moved into this role. If you can think of learning to drive a car and mastering the various skills needed, practicing them, integrating them and finally internalizing them, you can size up my process pretty well. I will take up your suggestion, Janet, and come up with guildelines for us but I’ll need several days to be as thorough as possible. Lots to think about. God bless you and all of us.

Joe said...

Let's face it. The NRS blog is a house built on sand. The whole foundations for it was built on a false prophet who at best was deceived by the devil and at worst deliberately deceived many. The site really does need to come down and then if Beckita wants she can start her own blog with no mention of Charlie! I don't think she will garner many followers because she is incredibly vanilla with an over the top false holiness act that does not jive with real people.

Anonymous said...

It also is true, Joe, that Charlie is not mentally well. Charlie shared in one of his past posts on his own site, that he suffers from mania and depression. And if you add psychosis to that, a lot of what he has brought forth in terms of his visions and prophecies, has a cause. Much of what Charlie has presented may very well have come from a chemical imbalance of his brain. He stated in his post, that he decided not to take meds, for what appears to be a mood disorder. When people choose to not take responsibility for a mental illness, and their behaviors or actions then greatly impact others, and many in a negative way, this is not good. This is serious. Charlie is not a "bad" person. But he is obviously a person who is not mentally well. He shared this himself. I know it is upsetting to think of those behaviors that Charlie has shown that have hurt people, or have greatly and negatively impacted peoples' lives, but this is most likely due to his mental illness. Let's pray that Charlie will get help. God bless you, Joe.

Joe said...

Anonymous 1:34, I think mental illness is way over diagnosed and over medicated in this country. Often people use some mental illness as an excuse for bad behavior. That being said, mental illness should definitely be on the table as a possibility of his failed prophecies.

Anonymous said...

Dear Joe, Sometimes people in society are simply not diagnosed AT ALL, or if they know they have a mental illness, they do not take responsibility for their illness. I know this for a fact, because I worked my entire career in Mental Health. In my opinion, Charlie appears to need mental health services- that's all I was saying. And he needs our prayers, so he will be moved to get help. And God can make this happen, if Charlie is willing. God bless you, Joe. - Anonymous 1:34 ��✝

Helen I said...

Dear Joe, a rainbow was supposed to appear where those two question marks are. Very strange. Technology can be tricky at times. But I HAD sent you a rainbow. Sorry about that.

Joe said...

Thanks for the rainbow. Maybe you should send some to Joe Crozier. I really like him but he is a very grumpy guy and could use some rainbows in his life.

An observer said...


Charlie's Next Right Step blog will eventually wither and die, because without the prophetic/visionary element, folks will simply just lose interest. I mean, Beckita is a nice woman and all, but who really is interested in reading her own musings any more than the millions of other personal Catholic blogs out there?

And one note concerning Beckita: As I said, she is a nice lady and all, but one can see by her own comments in various online forums how she is a fervent apparition chaser, for example her story in the Mother of God forum where she describes her trip to Rome back a few years ago to try to change the minds of the Vatican authorities concerning the official Church condemnation of Gianna Talone Sullivan and her rejected "Our Lady of Emmitsburg" apparitions, which were condemned by the Archdiocese of Baltimore over a decade ago.

And, one can note that to this very day Beckita is still is trying to promote this officially rejected apparition by the Avatar (picture) that appears next to her name which appears on all of her posts on the TRNS blog. The avatar she uses is the image of "Our Lady of Emmitsburg".

And, as for Charlie possibly making some kind of comeback as he suggested before going into seclusion, well we can be sure the Archdiocese and his spiritual directors are not going to allow for it, and neither will many of the folks who once believed in his now failed predictions.

Anonymous said...

Watching this unfold had been fascinating, enlightening, and sort of horrifying all at once. A sincere thanks to you Glenn for allowing this discussion.

For those who profess to follow the Church even as they hold thoughts of suing for libel close to their hearts I recommend 1 Corinthians 6. The whole chapter is worth studying especially in light of all of that sort of angry talk. Here is just a part of it, "Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life! If then you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who are least esteemed by the church? I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no man among you wise enough to decide between members of the brotherhood, but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers?"

If non-Christians or those sitting on the fence are witnessing these angry threats of lawsuits, (as well as Charlie's threats such as kicking someone in the groin) what would they think? How are we as Christians acting this way any different than the pagans we are sent out to evangelize?

I posted off and on over the past 2 years as "A Quiet Person." I along with many others shared some of my greatest struggles and defeats. I felt supported by the community and I in turn felt like maybe I had been able to lift a few people up along the way. I figured I was in good standing because I had received a Christmas card from Charlie.

BUT, as that inauguration day approached I was overwhelmed with the realization that most of the people were strangers, including most especially Chatlie and YD. It became so clear to me that anyone could present themselves as anyone and I felt compelled to push the issue.

Oh my goodness, the backlash! And what is absolutely incredible to me is that Charlie mocked me online for being sensitive (which I am but I don't need to be mocked for it). And then he made stuff up about me. Lies. It was really unthinkable at the time that such a thing could happen. And, sure enough, my reply was scrubbed considerably. Charlie "allowed" me to continue posting. But he left out the part in my reply that I would never post there again.

I did not bother to defend myself. I guess I just don't have that big of an ego. I mean, who cares? Besides, his really mean-spirited, unkind, and false witness against me revealed his character much better than anything I could have come up with.

For the past 2 years I thought that many, many people who have given their "Yes" to Jesus seemed to have particularly heavy burdens with missions to big for our broken nature to carry to completion. I figured further though that the Lord does not have time to wait for us to get it together to be saints. He needs things done NOW and will take anyone with a pulse who says yes.
I figured that is where I come in and Charlie too, rough around the edges but fulfilling his mission.

Well now, after all of this I don't know and it it not given to me to know. But, I have close, long-term, ongoing relationships with two people with remarkable similarities to Charlie. Possible mental illness, with an emphasis on delusions of grandeur, demonic involvement, sin, and the hardening of heart that comes with that over time create toxic misery. From my personal experience, the similarities of their behavior to Charlie's, their reaction when questioned or challenged, the over-inflated view of themselves are shocking for me to witness.

In closing I think people who feel like they have been misled by Charlie might be interested in reading the article right here on this site written by Glenn about Sr. Magdelena of the Cross. She was a famous but false mystic who bamboozled almost everyone in her life including very important and famous people. The only ones who seem not to have fallen for her nonsense were St. Ignatious Loyola and St. John of the Criss. And who among us have the kind of discernment of those two saints?

I think we might be a step or two closer now though!



Anonymous said...


Joe said...

Thanks for the rainbow. Maybe you should send some to Joe Crozier. I really like him but he is a very grumpy guy and could use some rainbows in his life.
February 22, 2017 at 4:07 PM

So you do know who I am but you do not know me. Those who know me do not regard me as a grumpy person. I know who and what you are. I am not grumpy. My anger at you is of the type advised by St Paul. "Be angry but do not sin." I am amazed that Glenn has allowed you to use his site to exercise your schismatic agenda. Any decent human person would stand up for their friends in the face of the relentless malice you have exhibited. Detraction, disharmony, destruction, division, deception, duplicity are all parts of your arsenal - weapons that have been used by you and your friends on me elsewhere. It has been said that divine strength is not usually given until we are fully aware of our weakness. You have driven me to that point. Thank God I am there. Now I await the strength and need to do little else. May God have mercy on you.

Joe said...

Joe Crozier, Was that meant to be a compliment? It wasn't quite clear to me. Tell Uncle Charlie I said Hi.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:13,

I don't understand your comment at all. I have not seen any evidence of "a schismatic agenda" in the discussions on Charlie Johnston and his failed prophecies, made by Joe or anyone else. Glenn has been a very fair and charitable host to these discussions.

Joe said...

Anonymous 7:13, unfortunately all the things Crozier has accused of us here are all adjectives that perfectly describe Charlie. Crozier is really hostile at this point and seems to be losing his grip. He seems to have many of the defects of character and mental instability as his old pal Charlie. Two peas in a pod.

Anonymous said...




Anonymous 7:13,

I don't understand your comment at all. I have not seen any evidence of "a schismatic agenda" in the discussions on Charlie Johnston and his failed prophecies, made by Joe or anyone else. Glenn has been a very fair and charitable host to these discussions.

February 22, 2017 at 7:32 PM
Blogger Joe said...

Anonymous 7:13, unfortunately all the things Crozier has accused of us here are all adjectives that perfectly describe Charlie. Crozier is really hostile at this point and seems to be losing his grip. He seems to have many of the defects of character and mental instability as his old pal Charlie. Two peas in a pod.

February 22, 2017 at 7:58 PM

What a laugh - thank God it takes more than the likes of you two to disturb my peace. I am sure any right minded person reading your material would sense its toxicity and back off in revulsion. Glenn has relinquished his responsibility by not throwing the two offenders out on their necks and to me it seems a great betrayal of his friendship with Charlie and a huge insult by association to the Saints and Mystics of the Church. It is you, anonymous (yuk) and Joe (why besmirch my name), not Charlie, who has offended decency and decorum. Sadly, in my anger I have almost sunk to your level in my stand against you but my truth separates this sheep from you goats. I speak from the heart. In the ways of the world I am no match for your ISIS like attacks on the innocent. You speak from an intellect honed to savagery. You have still not answered my question as to your motivation for vengeance and why you are so hell bent on harming Charlie and his friends. By the the way you have conducted yourselves it is clear that yours is not a righteous mission. c'mon gives us your names. Lets have a look at you on other social media. what have you got to hide?

Joe said...

"Isis like attacks on the innocent." Crozier these are comments on an Internet site. This is not war, we are not holding anyone captive, raping or beheading people. I really think you need a reality check. This is just silly. Charlie told some Tall tales we are just trying to expose that and get to the bottom of what caused him to do it. I have not said one dishonest thing in all the comments I have made. If the truth is so hurtful to you then maybe you best not read it.

Joe said...

If Charlie did not want this type of scrutiny he should not have spent years publicly promoting absurd predictions about the future. Did you and Charlie really think that nobody was going to criticize or question you when his prophecies flopped on Jan 20th. Instead of being Charlie's #1 apologist because he is your friend why don't you help him get the help he so desperately needs. Also tell Charlie if he takes down his site I will stop commenting on him. If he does not I will continue to comment on him to make up for all the comments that are being scrubbed over there.

Anonymous said...

Please calm down, take a deep breath and let the Holy Spirit guide your comments. We are all members of the same BODY OF CHRIST. For the sake of His Sorrowful Passion, please communicate the truth in love. The whole purpose of this "discussion" on Charlie Johnston is to discern the TRUTH. The simple truth is that the Church has spoken with regard to Charlie Johnston's alleged prophetic role. We have the right and obligation as Catholics to discern what is from God and what is from the world, the flesh, or the devil. May God's Will be done. The Holy Spirit breathes love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness and self-control. Pray, hope, and don't worry - God is in charge. Joe, I believe you are concerned for the truth and I agree that Charlie's website should be shut down and those friendships continued on Beckita's site. If that is the only reason that the site is still up and running. This would allow for true adherence to the Church's admonition to not condone Charlie's prophecies. And Joe Crozier, from what I can ascertain, you are a good man with a kind heart defending your friends. Perhaps you will be able to persuade your friends on TNRS to take the NRS and continue on the new site that Beckita set up recently. God bless and keep us all in His Most Sacred Heart, through the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, Our Mother.

Anonymous said...


Joe said...

"Isis like attacks on the innocent." Crozier these are comments on an Internet site. This is not war, we are not holding anyone captive, raping or beheading people. I really think you need a reality check. This is just silly. Charlie told some Tall tales we are just trying to expose that and get to the bottom of what caused him to do it. I have not said one dishonest thing in all the comments I have made. If the truth is so hurtful to you then maybe you best not read it.
February 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM

Charlie does not need help - you do. I hope you find it. There are many ways to assassinate people.This is your reality check. Pay attention.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Dear "A Quiet Person",
Thanks for your comments--it is great to hear from you on this site. I remember very well reading your comments occasionally over on the TNRS site and I always found your heartfelt sincerity to be a wonderful trait in all of your comments, and of which I see once again in your comment here today.

Thanks again 'Quiet person' for sharing your reflections here and may God bless you and your loved ones,
Glenn Dallaire

Snowy Owl said...

August Queen of Heaven, Sovereign Mistress of the Angels, Thou Who from the beginning has received from God the power and mission to crush the head of Satan, we humbly beseech Thee to send Thy Holy Legions that, under Thy command and Thy power, they may pursue the evil spirits, encounter them on every side, resist their bold attacks and drive them hence into the abyss of eternal woe. Amen
Who Is Like Unto God! O good and tender Mother! Thou shalt ever be our love and our hope.
Holy Angels and Archangels, keep us and defend us. Amen

Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all the other evil spirits who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.

Anonymous said...

I am sure you two will try to twist this long email into a form of disobedience to the diocese. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have no interest at all in putting a spin on the failed predictions. My faith is and has been for 40 years in Garabandal according to original witness and traditional interpretation.

Every attack you have made on Charlie, Joe and anonymous, betrays in its content, an emotional and contextual dishonesty in destructive motivation that negates the benefit of any truth they may contain. You ARE holding Charlie and his good name captive in your false accusations.

Charlie has not lied or, as you say, told tall tales, he has simply got some things wrong. This is no reason to demonize him as you have. He is under no obligation to attend the scourging you are dishing out. Thankfully you are lashing an empty pillar. Rather a foolish thing to do. He has been true to his word and withdrawn from the arena of private revelation. Leave him alone.

YOU ARE trying to force your unwanted attention on him and his friends. That is what rapists do - force their unwanted attention on people - force their way into their lives. You have no right to abuse people like you do. Charlie never did this. IT was never Charlie's job to justify the messages - only to deliver them. He wil not try to justify them now.

On his site he simply stood up to unjustifiable and unnaceptable behaviour such as trolling and abuse. You are the one who cannot face the truth. You are responsible for your own stupidity and for not paying attention to Charlie's clear instruction to trust only God. Face it and take your anonymous boot off the neck off Charlie's good repute.

Just like ISIS you are trying to behead Charlie by denying him any right to exist as he he sees fit as he sits and waits to see how he can be off best service to God through the times ahead. Just like ISIS you are trying to kill him off.

Anonymous said...

Again I repeat I have never put store by Charlie's prophesies as I have trusted in Garabandal. From my first encounter with Garabandal I believed without reserve. From my first encounter with Charlie I discerned a good man with good intentions and a resolve to perform the duty assigned to him for the benefit of mankind no matter how demanding or risky. Charlie is a man of unquestionable integrity and sense of duty to God and man.

Nothing can justify the vehemence expressed in your comments. They are out of all proportion to any offense that Charlie, according to you, has committed. Beckita has full cooperated and submitted to diocesan advise. The rest is none of your business. The church wrongly interpreted Beckie and publicly accused her of having made a misleading statement - essentially of telling a lie. This was due to a misunderstanding on the part of the diocese. This misunderstanding has since been clarified and accepted by the church. Beckie forgave this mistake. Both parties have moved on, Why can't you move on, anonymous Joe.

Again I ask, who are you and what is your motive. Do you regard Charlie as a heretic or a modernist or a usurper as some on MoG regard Pope Francis. God forgive their sin. You sound just like them.

The faithful according to the diocesan statement were warned to be prudent and cautious about Charlie's predictions. They were not told to ignore him or reject or to avoid his material. They were told simply to exercise care and wisdom. The faithful were not told that Charlie was a false prophet or even an unreliable prophet. They were simply told that one of his predictions proved to be inaccurate. "The events of 2016/17" were about the outgoing and incoming president. Note,these were referred to by the diocese as predictions, not prophesies. Interestingly Charlie himself said, and it is corroborated on this site, that he had never insisted on these predictions about inauguration in the same way as he had on his prophesies about the future. This is not spin and I am not saying anything about his prophesies.

The church has not ruled on the origin of Charlie's other prophesies. That is a fact. They have simply said "The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid."

Anonymous said...

The only 'visions 'that are verifiably inaccurate are those concerning the elections. It did not take a genius to come to the conclusions in the diocesan statement: Charlie said Obama would not complete and Trump would not be president. He was wrong but this is what he honestly thought he was told to say. He has admitted that he was objectively wrong and without reservation admitted this. He has done what he said he would - walked away. LEAVE HIM ALONE.

Your lies and insinuations about the mental health enjoyed by both Charlie and myself would be laughable but for the malice they express and the harm they intend. My professional life is threatened by your insinuations of insanity. I would like to think you are more mad than bad but the truth of of the evil in your words is plain for plain thinking folk. You are obsessed with harming and hurting Charlie. None of your false accusations can be backed up with evidence. You twist the facts to suit your opinion which seems to echo from a small mind, a hard heart and a bad mouth.

Yours is the scrutiny of the witchfinder general that employs sadism, judges on fantasy and condemns on a whim. Despite your misinformed opinion very few comments were censored while Charlie was in charge. It is simply a lie to say otherwise. There may have been a few scrubbed when your campaign of hatred began after inauguration. Why would anyone want to spread such poison on their own Catholic website.

Why publish unacceptable, abusive, material such as yours. It does no good. I am no apologist. I am just a friend of Charlie. While you continue to unjustifiably persecute Charlie I will continue to pursue you in his defense. I may have failed miserably in my efforts to make you see sense and truth but I have succeeded in trying. Again I say just as you hide your true motives and your identity so you deceive all readers on this forum.

Also note that the local Church says that Chalie's VISIONS were not accurate. Charlie did not SEE things right.The perspective that followed from this faulty hermeneutic resulted in a faulty message. Charlie was wrong in his visions and so his foresight was shown to be unreliable in the matters of the presidential election. Quite rightly, caution and prudence was advised. Interestingly his bishop did not condemn Charlie or his messages or his visions. He simply stated the obvious: his predictions were wrong. Neither Charlie or his replacements have ever tried to deny this or put a spin on the ones that have failed. Charlie has admitted was "objectively wrong."

Anonymous said...

The Church has a massive amount of evidence on which to base a judgement concerning the origin and reliability of Charlies prophesies. The Church has three ways of judging on visions or apparitions in private revelation; from God, not from God, or not established. The church has made no such judgement.

Only you Joe and Anonymous have judged and condemned Charlie and wish to exert control to a degree that the church has never countenanced.


Charlie has done you no harm. He has done no harm to anyone. All harm has been self inflicted by those who did not listen to his good ADVICE - NOT MESSAGE - "Acknowledge God, take the right next step and be a sign of hope for others."

These are all from me Joe Crozier The End, (again haha)

Anonymous said...

Amen Snowy
All holy innocents pray for us. All child saints pray for us.
Joe Crozier

Joe said...

Joe Crozier, you are a drama queen. If I was Charlie I would want you to stop embarrassing me with these nonsensical comments you are making.

Joe said...

Remember Joe crozier, I am not the one who spent years telling anyone that would listen that on Jan 20th the sky would be pink. In the Old Testament false prophets were stoned. I would say getting some light criticism on the Internet and being asked to take down your site is getting off pretty easy.

Mary H said...

I would like to see Joe Crozier or another of Charlie's defenders respond to Quiet Person's perceptive comments, which are very much to the point. The long posts on Garabandal, on the other hand, seem very much out of place here.

Christene Bartels said...

Although I stated that I would not return to this blog and comment, I feel compelled to make a final statement since someone took the bizarre step of going to the TNRS site, copying a comment I made there, and then posting it here so they could use it as grist for this toxic gossip mill. Here it goes;

I am absolutely APPALLED by the comments made by some calling themselves Catholic Christians on this cesspool of a comment thread. I am especially disgusted after I took the time to peruse some other articles on this site and ran across this one from 2014 on the death of Joey Lomangino and Garabandal, an alleged apparition of the Blessed Mother that I personally think is a demonic deception but which seems to be near and dear to the heart of the writer of the article and others on this site, and came upon this paragraph;

"Now that Joey has passed from this life, many have jumped to the conclusion that this prophesy is false and unfulfilled (that would be the alleged prophecy that Joey's sight would be restored and he would see Great Miracle) and at first appearance this writer would have to agree that such is the case. But, reading carefully the prediction of what the Lady in the vision said to Conchita---that is that Joey would see on the day of the Miracle---well, one has to recognize that there are other interpretations and possibilities than the most obvious and apparent one, and I will leave it to the reader to consider other such possibilities.
Keep in mind that this writer is not making excuses for what appears to be an unfulfilled prophesy, only that there are other possibilities and interpretations contained in such a message."
http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2014/06/the-death-of-joey-lomangino-blow-to.html

OMGosh......seriously Glenn???

It then goes on in content and comments that followed to tap dance around and make endless excuses for the LOOOONNNGGG list of unfulfilled and missed prophecies having to to do with THAT apparition site.
Now let me make this ABUNDANTLY CLEAR; I am NOT citing this article in order to engage in 50 pointless rounds of arguments about Garabandal. I am citing this article to point out the absolute blatant hypocrisy of the position this site has taken in its unhinged attacks on Charlie Johnston. So before another slanderous word is uttered on this blog about Charlie Johnston, the TNRS site, and those who comment there, perhaps everyone should take the some time to reflect on what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about offenses against the Eighth Commandment, namely GOSSIP, slander, calumny, and rash judgments.

I'm outta here. Peace.

Christene Bartels said...

III. OFFENSES AGAINST TRUTH
2475 Christ's disciples have "put on the new man, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness."274 By "putting away falsehood," they are to "put away all malice and all guile and insincerity and envy and all slander."275
2476 False witness and perjury. When it is made publicly, a statement contrary to the truth takes on a particular gravity. In court it becomes false witness.276 When it is under oath, it is perjury. Acts such as these contribute to condemnation of the innocent, exoneration of the guilty, or the increased punishment of the accused.277 They gravely compromise the exercise of justice and the fairness of judicial decisions.
2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.278 He becomes guilty:
- of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;
- of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;279
- of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.
2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor's thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way:

Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another's statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved.280

Anonymous said...

Christine, thank you for this reminder about Christian charity and our mandate as Catholics.

Anonymous said...

Christene, Can you give us your opinion on Dan Lynch's posts at NRS about the Denver archdiocese committing libel against Beckie Hesse?

Christene Bartels said...

Ms. Hesse stated that she and Karna from the Archdiocese has a conversation about the issue that the Archdiocese was concerned about and it was resolved.

End. Of. Discussion.

Joe said...

Christene. In reviewing all of this info about Charlie. It all boils down to one hard, incontroverable fact, that is that Charlie made an outrageous prophecy on Jan 20th that turned out to be an utter failure.

End of discussion!

Anonymous said...

" if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved."
Christine, is this not what happened with trying to correct Charlie's failed prophecy?
Is it not the duty of those in AUTHORITY, i.e. Charlie's Bishop, to correct him? Why condone Charlie or try and twist the clear words from his Bishop? Charlie proclaimed to speak directly from God - an awesome task indeed. But what if Charlie was misled? What if he potentially harmed many innocent people by proclaiming to be God's "Sherpa"? Charlie was very sure that he had a mission to proclaim the RESCUE with a specific date - "by the end of 2017". As proof of his message being true, Charlie said the sign would be that President Obama would not finish his term, there would not be an Election and that the next president would not come from the political process. He was wrong. He is human and needed to be corrected - his Bishop did just that.
By keeping up his website, people are still at risk of being led astray. Charlie said he would leave, but there was never any assumption that his website, with all of the dire warnings, etc., would remain up and running.
Glenn is not at fault for allowing those who have been affected by Charlie to voice their opinion without having their voices "scrubbed" by those who monitor TNRS website. Many people have written comments that were "scrubbed" and reposted those comments on this website. That is a very deceptive practice. How many posts have not been allowed to be posted by Charlie? Only God knows for sure. The fact that even a few legitimate concerns were NOT POSTED makes TNRS comment section untrustworthy for discerning the truth. Twisting and turning things to fit one's own beliefs is not in service to God - the TRUTH will set us free. God does not deceive. Charlie said "I tell you true" when it came to the very specific sign of his mission regarding the "Presidential Prophecy". He even went on to write "The Rules of Regency" to set up a temporary governing body. Charlie's three spiritual directors may be at fault for allowing Charlie to publish such a grave prophetic message. But Glenn is not at fault for giving a platform to discern the who, what, where, how, and why of Charlie's self-proclaimed mission as Sherpa.

kb

Joe said...

KB, Great comment! 👏👏. It was very clear concise and to the point. It really is that simple. The truth is not confusing as many of Charlie's supporters comments are. Thankyou.

Lisa said...

With all due respect, Christene, that's not the end of the discussion. You were asked to give your opinion of Dan Lynch's slander against the Archdiocese. Everyone is so quick to point out the sins occurring on this comment thread, but there are slanderous statements also being made at Charlie's blog. And that's what it is -- Charlie's blog. He hasn't gone away; his "teachings" are still listed on his blog site. Charlie made himself a "public entity" by publishing his supposed "revelations" or "visions" on his blog site and inviting followers, particularly at his talks around the country. He must now deal with the criticism of those followers when he's shown to be wrong. No one chased Charlie down and made him spill his guts -- he CHOSE to put his "prophecies" out there for public discernment. If he wanted to be left alone, he shouldn't have published a public blog, for heaven's sake. Also, any comment published on a public blog site is for public consumption, I would think. Your comment was copied and pasted here for public consumption, as well. If you don't like that, then quit posting comments on public blog sites.

Christene Bartels said...

You know what Anonymous? If you, or Glenn, or Joe or anyone else from this blog are so grievously concerned about the supposed harm the NRS blog is doing to souls of innocent Catholics who engage in the vast Catholic blogosphere, take your concerns to Archbishop Aquila rather than ranting and raging on some obscure comment thread and creating nothing but an occasion of sin for those unfortunate enough to stumble upon it. Seriously. Maybe the Archbishop will fulfill all your dreams and order the site shutdown. Although considering that we live in a time when self-proclaimed faithful, orthodox Catholics are openly calling the Holy Father a heretic and practically the spawn of Satan himself, I would think he has larger concerns to address, but who knows. These are strange times in which we live.
Until that time comes, however, we still live in America and as an American citizen I have a constitutionally protected right to free speech which is;
free·dom of speech
noun
1. the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.......which I will exercise to the full extent of my rights while at the same time trying to be an obedient, humble daughter of Holy Mother Church.



Anonymous said...

Lisa, I totally agree with everything you said. I was amazed to see Charlie's followers complain when their posts are discussed, or when their real-world identities are cited. I am a marketing professional. I list my social media connections on my LinkedIn profile. I tweet. I use instagram. I blog. I expect anyone looking at my work will check me out online. I do the same with people who come to me for freelance assignments or are potential clients. It's INSANE to think you are invisible when you publish your name on any public post online. Charlie's followers are mostly seniors, like Charlie himself. They don't understand how the digital world works.

Lisa said...

Christene, please remember that all of the people invited by Charlie to listen to and believe in his "prophecies" also have the right to express their opinions without censorship or restraint. Since they couldn't do so on Charlie's blog site, they do so here. When Glenn censors comments on this site, he tells the commenter that they were censored and why. Charlie censored every comment on his blog without notifying the commenter or the readers. He used the comments section of his public blog to build himself up and tear down his skeptics. I find it very ironic that you declare your (obvious) right to free speech without censorship after criticizing this blog site for not censoring comments.

Fred Keyes said...

"Joe Crozier." Great nom de cyber? Your writing style is familiar.

cro·zier
noun
a hooked staff carried by a bishop as a symbol of pastoral office.
the curled top of a young fern.

Joe said...

Fred Keyes, I was thinking the same thing.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Joe Crozier, Yong Duk, Crew Dog, Snowy Owl and a couple others are not real people but are "characters" to keep the enthusiasm for Charlie's site going. Sometimes they sound like parody accounts!

Christene Bartels said...

Lisa I think you need to re-read my original comment. Nowhere did I criticize this site for not censoring comments. I criticized the CONTENT of some of those comments in light of what the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches us about gossip, slander, detraction, calumny, and rash judgments and the seriousness of those sins because some of those comments are simply beyond the pale.

Listen, you people are free to do whatever you want. But at some point you may want to ask yourselves what all of this ranting, raging, stewing in anger, ruminating in bitterness, and tearing down others is doing to your relationship with God. He calls us to be better than this. We will all be called to account for every single word that falls out of mouths. I don't know about you but that reality terrifies me to measure my words very carefully.

James 1:26 “If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless.”
James 3:6 “And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell.”
Proverbs 15:4 “A gentle tongue is a tree of life, but perverseness in it breaks the spirit.”
James 3:8 “but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.”

Peace.

Christene Bartels said...

And I really need to ask you people this question because I honestly can not for the life of me wrap my mind around it;
What in heaven's name are you so furious about?? Seriously.......how can mayhem, chaos, death, destruction, and all manner of human misery NOT UNFOLDING send you into such an unhinged tailspin?? Good grief.......rather than lashing out at Charlie you should get down on your knees and thank God he WAS wrong because if this is how you handle something as benign as a false prophecy, believe me.....you were in no way, shape, or form prepared spiritually, emotionally, or mentally had catastrophe truly struck. Think about that.

Lisa said...

Christene,
The content of a person's comment is the responsibility of that person, not Glenn. He shouldn't be faulted for letting commenters have their obvious right of free speech to say what they think of a false prophet. If they cross a line or go beyond the pale, then that's their responsibility before God. Just as it's Charlie's responsibility before God for what he has said and done. I think you're judging this whole comment section by the comments of just a couple of people who feel passionately about Charlie's situation. Where's your compassion for those who feel betrayed or led astray by Charlie's words? Obviously, no one here is in a tailspin because disaster has not fallen upon us, as Charlie falsely predicted. But Charlie must take responsibility for his actions and words just as those of us here have been admonished by you to do. His words were not true. He was uncharitable toward those who doubted him. He has hurt people with his false prophecies, whether he believes so or not. Rather than take up for a man who, at best, is mentally ill and, at worst, is a charlatan, why not have Christian charity for those who feel betrayed by him? Charlie published his false prophecies publicly in order to gain a following and those who believed him have a right to be angry and disillusioned.

Anonymous said...

Christene,

Charlie Johnston and his followers do not make up a full-blown cult, but look at this list and see just how many of the items on it do pertain to TNRS. Former followers need some perspective.

Cult Characteristics

by Janja Lalich, Ph.D, and Michael Langone, Ph.D


Concerted efforts at influence and control lie at the core of cultic groups, programs, and relationships. Many members, former members, and supporters of cults are not fully aware of the extent to which members may be manipulated, exploited, or even abused. The following list of social-structural, social-psychological, and interpersonal behavioral patterns commonly found in cultic environments may help you assess a particular group or relationship.

Compare these patterns to the situation you were in (or in which you, a family member, or friend is currently involved). This list may help you determine if there is cause for concern. Bear in mind that this list is not meant to be a “cult scale,” or a definitive checklist to determine if a specific group is a cult; this is not so much a diagnostic instrument as it is an analytical tool.


*The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader, and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
*Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

*Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, or debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
*The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (e.g., members must get permission to date, change jobs, or marry or leaders prescribe what to wear, where to live, whether to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
*The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and its members (e.g., the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
*The group has a polarized, us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

*The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders, or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
*The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (e.g., lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
*The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and control members. Often this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
*Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
*The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
*The group is preoccupied with making money.
*Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
*Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave or even consider leaving the group.

This article has been excerpted from Take Back Your Life: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships by Janja Lalich and Madeleine Tobias (Bay Tree Publishing).

Joe said...

Christene, I see you have come here to lecture everyone about Christianity . Let me ask you, have you asked yourself what does Jesus say about false prophets. What does Jesus say about people who follow and promote false teaching. How about you bring these things up over at the NRS site and see how quickly you get thrown out on you're ear as Crozier says. Maybe you need to remove the plank from you're own eye so you can see clearly to remove the stitch from you're your neighbors.

Anonymous said...

Here's just ONE example of Charlie's response to the Presidential Prophecy:


Jeff in Minnesota says:
October 25, 2016 at 11:11 am
Thanks for this Charlie. In my middle-aged head, I have the date of the next consecration window to be November 5th though, and you typed the 4th. Since this is my birthday, it is when I begin my reconsecration. I could be wrong, but I double-checked it with the Fisheater’s web site.

And sorry to change the subject to the car crash from which I can’t tear my gaze…regarding your claim that HRC will not be our next president, is that your personal opinion, or do you have inside information this time out? I am not testing you, just trying to figure out everything at once while staying grounded with my Rosary and Masses and Divine Mercy Chaplet.

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charliej373 says:
October 25, 2016 at 11:16 am
Jeff, I think I have stated almost a hundred times that I know through revelation that our next stable national leader will not come through the political system. There really is no more to say about it than that. I know that people are edgy, so many ask me over and over again if I still mean it. I do.

Anonymous said...


To Anonymous February 23, 2017 at 4:03 PM
More misrepresentation, calumny and nonsense - none of your cultish indicators apply to TNRS - you and Joe fit into the cultish category much better and the evidence for that is right here.

Joe said...

Crozier 6:40, do you think it's right that Charlie and Beckita don't allow any comments that dare question or challenge Charlie on the site. It seems the only people that are allowed to comment are the ones who kiss Charlie or Beckita's behind.

Anonymous said...

to Joe February 23, 2017 at 6:51 PM

Blog (as in Joe Blog) - They don't allow mindless violence and abuse. They will not repeat answers ad nauseam that have already been given. They will not entertain trolling comments like yours. They will help but not do the homework that others should have done. TNRS is a site for adults not those who adulterate the truth. First you lot speak of spanking adult bottoms now you speak of kissing them. Whatever next. Sick, if you ask me. BTW Charlie is no longer there. But you know that. When he was there there were plenty of published disagreements, questions and explanations. Relentless malice and perversion seem to be your m.o.. We know who you are. It is pointless to say so but TNRS has changed under Beckits's care. Who the hell are you to think you are to demand it should close down. Mind your own business and mind your place. Your persistent outbursts are like those of an obnoxious, irritating brat. They are best ignored and as such yes it is right to deny them a place - does that answer your question? I never said Christene would get thrown out on her ear. Would you like to apologise? Charlie does not promote false teaching. He upholds the teaching of the Church. Charlie is not false - his more real than you will ever be - he simply got it wrong.

Joe said...

Crozier. You are the one that keeps taking it to the perverse level. Maybe that is just where your Mind naturally goes. The phrase "thrown out on your ear" was one you made to Glenn about me. That is what I was referring to but you being the dishonest person you are, purposely took it out of context. Has your angel appeared to you lately?

Joe said...

Charlie Crozier, you would love nothing more then for me and all of Charlie's critics to be silenced. In fact I believe it is driving you insane that you cannot control the conversation here as you did on your blog site. You have threatened lawsuits, you have called names and you have tried to browbeat people into submission here. Sounds real familiar to you're behavior on you're own blog site. The problem here is you cannot just banish people or throw them out on thier ear when people disagree with you. Also, that do you're own homework comment you wrote me sounds eerily family to one you made to me on you're blog site a couple months ago. Charlie, I know you believe in you're mind that if you could just silence all of your critics you could come up with an excuse to come back on the scene. As long as you are out there I will not go away, I will expose you for everything that is false about you.

Joe said...

Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in unfruitful acts of darkness. Instead expose them.
Charlie Crozier, you're behavior here has really revealed your heart and only confirmed further what a fraud you are.

Anonymous said...

I quite rightly threatened a lawsuit if you compromised my professional standing - my insurance against libel of this sort is for $500,000. I have never had to use it or even threaten it until now. Its a bit like the samurai sword - no point in drawing it if you don't use it. You or the other anon said, on the other hand, that you have actually initiated proceedings and told me to await notice from your lawyers. Then of course your cover would be blown. So you have misinformed me again- in a particularly nasty way. Once again you are giving away your identity - employing the old tactic of accusing others of the crimes you have committed. The fact is you can banish people if they deserve it. No-one has ever been banished just for disagreeing - but false grounds have been created to justify such action. I am not Charlie. Say what you will. You usually do. Charlie and I are half a world apart. Better examples than you have slandered and libeled me before. You are small fry but you leave a bad taste. I may not sue you in court but you are heading for trouble by threatening a law abiding citizen. Even your threat may be considered an assault. It sounds like you are threatening Charlie's life, safety and well being. Because you have committed this action here you have involved Glenn. It is compulsive and akin to stalking. Be warned.be sensible and back off now. I seriously advise Glenn to put a halt to this now. Unless of course Glenn is in it with you two to gain publicity and maintain interest, morbid though it be, for his site.

Joe said...

Charlie Crozier, have you lost your mind, I have not threatened anyone, you are just making things up at this point. Also the lawsuit comment I made was just to make fun of you for your absurdity in threatening a lawsuit over comments on a blog site, but once again you are purposely taking things out of context, proving how dishonest you are. Anyway Charlie, you sound like a raving lunatic at this point but I really like your passion and the fact the you are standing up for your buddy/alter ego Charlie. Have a good night.

Anonymous said...

Again I say to all readers here - for all practical purposes Charlie's site no longer exists. It is now Beckita's site and its content and direction have changed. In her own words Charlie's prophesies have been set aside and the Rescue in 2017 is not being proclaimed. The violence threatened here against Charlie by Joe and anonymous has no place on this site. It is pure vindictiveness driven by a personal agenda. It adds nothing to our faith. This ad hominem vendetta is obviously personal and driven by a thirst for revenge for some imagined harm. Charlie is not an ego maniac as is suggested by our resident detractors and certainly not a maniac. He is an honest educated man of culture, erudite and fluent in his Faith. He is a caring grandfather and a tireless observer of duty. He has not treated others with anything except fairness and in proportion to the trouble they were trying to make. He has made one honest mistake and owned up to it. He has walked away and handed his site over to another. The fact that Joe and anonymous have expressed their wish to endlessly pursue their agenda to Charlie's detriment must be a sign to Glenn that they should be stopped. If the dogs are not called off I will continue to stand between them and Charlie. Charlie would tell me to let it go but I would prefer to see justice done and Joe and anonymous sanctioned and controlled by Glenn.

Anonymous said...

https://charliej373.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/go-forth/

The above link form March 2015 shows how persistent the attacks and false accusations have been. Perhaps this is why Joe and Anonymous want the site taken down. Only that would destroy the evidence of their evil agenda. C'mom Glenn, man up and do something about this.

David said...

Glenn,

I hope you keep this site up as long as the TNRS website is up. I am wondering whether some of Charlie's supporters are deliberately feigning to be against Charlie on your blog and posting ridiculous and over the top comments in an effort to discredit those of us who have genuine and legitimate concerns.

Joe said...

I see what your doing Crozier.

Joe said...

Charlie Crozier, I had no idea who You were in March 2015. Every public figure is going to have critics. Maybe Charlie didn't realize this fact. Maybe that is what emboldened him to make these false claims. Maybe he really believed that people would say no big deal and lovingly accept him back after he was proven false. Who knows why exactly why he did what he did, we just no he was wrong.

Anonymous said...

Charlie has actually asked us not to defend him probably precisely because of what Glenn has allowed to happen here. I have had no relationship with Glenn. My name is Joe Crozier. His is Charlie Johnston. What you talkin about boyo? What a silly stupid childish attack you are conducting on me. Its obvious you still have a primary school mentality with all your talk of ass kissing, spanking and doling out punishment. Let it go Joe. Grow up. Start talking like an adult even if that cap does not fit. My apologies if you really do have a mental problem. That would be a good defence. Glenn can see the location of our computers and the times of our exchanges. He can confirm we are different people. C'mon stop being so cowardly- stop hiding - who are you. Tell us your name and where you are from. Face the music.
You may think you can see what I am doing but I actually see what you have done Joe Blog. And so can everyone else. Shame on you. Who is David - another Joe?

Anonymous said...

All the above comes from Charlie in 2015
That's me done here.
I hope that readers see the truth in this old comment and that all here including Joe and Anonymous take it to heart and act on it. I pray that God an His angels will defend Charlie from the likes of you if needs be. I pray also that you will do the right thing. What you have done here is wrong.
Joe Crozier - friend of Charlie Johnston and friend of Beckita.
Potential friend of Joe and Anonymous.
Do as I do Shake hands with me across the net and walk away. Live and let live.
For my part I forgive all you have said and done to me.
Now you can approach the Altar of communion having complied with Christ's prerequisite of resolved resentment. Go in peace.

Anonymous said...

oops I forgot to ask your forgiveness for my offensive remarks.
Please forgive me.

Anonymous said...

I am stunned. I just CAN'T believe the attacks and low behavior that has gone on on this website, recently, between people who are supposed to be Christian. Both posters from TNRS, and some from Mystics of the Church. I know- you'll tell me you have your reasons. But this kind of mean behavior is not accepted by Jesus or by Mary. I feel put down, myself, by a certain poster on this site, who indicated that I do not have the right to express myself, here, about Garabandal. God has given me the God given right to free speech. And with that free speech, I have always tried, for the most part, to speak kindly, and properly, as I post here. And my postings have NOT been exceedingly long. As far as the TNRS site, I innocently posted a question on that site, many months ago. I was kind in my approach, and amiable. All I did was ask an innocent question, and I got "slaughtered." I was ganged up on. And that night I was so upset by the way I was treated, I was in tears. I couldn't stop crying, because I knew I was innocent. I took it all to God, for His comfort. What a shock, when I had heard good things about this "Charlie," from a friend, and went on the website to ask a simple question that I thought Charlie might be able to kindly answer, and I was treated SO badly. I couldn't understand why I was treated that way. After this terrible experience, I became convinced that Charlie could not be a true Prophet. And, again,I know that Jesus and Mary don't approve of how I was treated. I hope we never see Charlie back on TNRS site, again, if it continues. It is too upsetting to think he might come there, again, treating others the way he treated me. Charlie, himself, on a past posting on his site, admitted that he had mania and depression. Get treatment, Charlie. And those who post here, and deny his mental illness, are just fooling themselves. He, HIMSELF, said he had it. Much of what he has presented on his site in terms of grandiosity, irritability, supposed visions, and prophecies that didn't come to pass, can all be due to the mental illness he has. And as far as SOME people on THIS site, let's try to be civil, kind, patient, charitable, and loving, when it comes to interactions-if that's at all possible. That's what Jesus showed. Let's try to follow His example. Thank you for hearing me. God bless you all.

Anonymous said...

May I suggest the posts containing Charlie Johnston's verbatim words be taken down? The re-posting of one of his columns here goes against the request of the archdiocese of Denver not to condone Charlie's messages, or attempt to spin them or to validate them. Personally, if I never read anything by Charlie again it will be too soon.

Another BOVOC

Glenn Dallaire said...


Joe Crozier,
Charlie and Beckita have a copyright statement at the bottom of the TNRS blog, stating "All Copyrights to this material belong to Charlie Johnston 2014 - 2017 and to Beckita Hesse 2017."

While Chrlie/Beckita do allow for "excerpts", re-posting most or all of an article goes beyond the reasonable definition of an "excerpt", as I am sure you will agree.
So, while I am deleting the repost of Charlie's "Go Forth" article that you copy/pasted here, I am providing a link to the article for those interested:

"Go Forth" article on The Next Right Step blog

Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

This latest post from Steve BC on Charlie's website sounds like Charlie is still active behind the scenes despite admonishment from the Archdiocese.

SteveBC says:
February 23, 2017 at 5:46 pm
Charles, you are correct that the site is not the same without Charlie. You are not correct that Charlie has had his 15 minutes of fame and has ended his mission. He is very much still active in many ways, but he is not posting any more unless circumstances change, and then he will do it through Beckita. Charlie will not retire until July 5, 2018, and continues to advance his mission until then. He is working as hard as before but on different activities, ones that are not public in nature.

I know a lot of people think he has simply stopped all activity and retired, but that is a misunderstanding of his decision not to post publicly for a while. He definitely did *not* end his mission. 🙂

Joe said...

Does anybody here find it as strange as I do that Crozier has been over here threatening lawsuits for the last three days, all over blog site comments about a proven false prophet. His behavior is really bizarre.

Glenn Dallaire said...


There has been a few folks who have questioned why I "allow" a wide range of comments here. To reply, its really very simple, as it is what I have stated in the comment guidelines:
"The comment sections of this website are NOT moderated and therefore comments are published immediately. The views and opinions expressed in the comment sections are those of the persons writing the comments, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the host of this website.
Please keep in mind that this is a Catholic based website, therefore all comments should be charitable and considerate of others in conformity with christian principles and practices. Thank you!"
------

And so, since this is an open, unmoderated forum, therefore all viewpoints are permitted and are represented here. While open dialogue and discussion can be a bit feisty and even raucous at times, ultimately freedom of speech and expression is a good thing, as it is associated with our free will.

On another note, as to my own position nowadays concerning Charlie? To me there is two considerations--Charlie's prophecies, and Charlie the man himself.

-As for Charlie's prophecies, well, given the successful inauguration of President Trump who "came through the election process", and thus Obama successfully finishing his term, it is quite apparent that the "Presidential prophecy" was not authentic in either of its two parts. So, when this prophecy failed--a prophecy that Charlie specifically stated was to be a sign from God: "..For God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."
Thus I think it was very right for Charlie to completely leave the public sphere at this point.

-As for Charlie the person, my position and perspective concerning him has NOT changed. I have always felt that he is sincere, if perhaps sincerely mistaken. I personally have never perceived any willful deceit in him. I have always found him to be an upstanding, good hearted person, and I definitely do not believe that he *willfully* sought to mislead people, as a few folks here seem to have attributed to him. In short, I simply think that concerning the Presidential prophecy he was sincerely mistaken, and not knowingly seeking to mislead people in some sort of premeditated manner.

With that said, concerning Charlie's current failed track record in mind, at this point I personally don't hold out much hope at all concerning his other prophecies coming true, as when one looks at logistics, there is really not a reasonable amount of time left for the West to even have some full fledged war with "political Islam" ending in their defeat, then an all out war with China etc. along with his other predictions, all supposedly occurring and culminating before the end of this year. And so at this point it is probably reasonably safe to say that Charlie was either deluded or deceived concerning his prophecies.

-Glenn Dallaire

Glenn Dallaire said...


-One last thing, I do think that in the coming months (or next couple of years, at most) it is quite likely that the West, and perhaps most of the world, will experience a very significant economic downturn--perhaps even as severe as an economic collapse, resulting in the failure of multiple currencies throughout the world. I base this conclusion on recent statements from numerous respected economists and financial experts who have been issuing such dire warnings along these lines in recent months/years. This however is likely completely independent of Charlie's own predictions in this area.

Also, as many here know, 2017 marks the 100 year anniversary of Fatima apparitions, so there may also be significant worldwide events related to this which may occur in coming months---but again in this case also they are quite likely completely independent from Charlie's own predictions. In other words, if there is an significant economic downturn or some other important global events, one has recognize that they are probably not at all associated with what Charlie has purportedly foreseen, given the track record of his two-part presidential prophecy failure, which according to him was to be a "sign" that was given through him---a was in fact a "sign" that obviously completely failed to occur.

Anonymous said...

Glenn
For the record and for Charlie I am not Charlie. Neither the team nor Charlie knew anything of my intentions here but Charlie has since thanked me for coming to his defense after it was reported to him. Why would he want to engage in the abuse directed at him. I have only touched base very briefly with Charlie four or five times in recent years with Christmas cards, short emails about placement of the statue of our Lady of Akita and one or two others that were written long before the election. I am for Christ first but a Garabandalist. Charlie and I do not agree on Garabandal but respect each others opinion and agree to differ. The article I posted did not breach diocesan directives. Nobody on the team of TRNS has breached those directives. I am not on the TNRS team. I have posted very little there recently. I am not Charlie. Please delete all suggestions to the contrary. Charlie has been labeled insane, abusive and a liar. I have been labeled Charlie. That is defamation. As far as I am able I now hand it over to Jesus and the Angels. May God bless you all.
Joe Crozier

Anonymous said...

Joe Crozier,

"Charlie has since thanked me for coming to his defense after it was reported to him. Why would he want to engage in the abuse directed at him."

If Charlie left after his failed prophecy, there would be not discussion on this or any other blog regarding CJ. Charlie hasn't "gone away" and that's the problem. Charlie is the one responsible for the disunity he has caused. So the next time you speak with Charlie, kindly ask him what are his real intentions for keeping the TNRS up and running. It seems Charlie needs to be in the public arena and cannot let go of his role as "Sherpa". Prayers to everyone involved, including you and Charlie, that God's Will be done and that peace and unity be restored.

Joe Crozier said...

I did not speak to Charlie. I have no intentions of speaking to him.
Funny how things are put into perspective - it's Saturday morning here and I have just had a phone call from an old friend. She had recently been misdiagnosed and as a result lost the sight in one eye. There is a danger that she will the sight in the other too. Perhaps you guys could join me in prayer for this lady whose name is Jeanne. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Prayers for you and Jeanne, Joe C. We all are in need of God's grace and healing.

Glenn Dallaire said...


May Jesus give His strength and healing to Jeanne. In Jesus holy Name, AMEN +

On another note, I believe Joe Crozier has a very valid point in that as far as I can tell there is no credible evidence to conclude that Charlie has ever commented in this particular thread, so therefore I would say that it is not justified to state otherwise without any reasonable evidence.

-Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

Glenn your explanation of why you are allowing this behaviour on this blog is unacceptable. Cyber bullying is an offence in several countries globallly including the US. References to lawsuits and even physical violence which have occurred recently are cyber bullying as opposed to trolling. Some of what is occurring is bordering on cyberstalking also. This blog is becoming scary and out of control. It is no longer a courteous means of discussing issues. As the blog's owner, if not responsible Catholic it is your responsibility to manage this properly to stop the emotional/psychological damage which has already occurred and prevent any future instances of it or worse.

Just so I am not cyber bullied I am not one of those engaging in the recent fracas nor am I Charlie. I am the person who wrote the first ever comment on your first article on CJ expressing my concern about it and Charlie. Should I be bullied for this post I will have to seriously consider reporting it to the proper external authority. Please, everybody, forgive, love your neighbour, seek help for healing and moving forward.

Joe said...

Why don't you call this anti bullying campaign what it really is, an attack on freedom of speech and an effort to censor anyone who disagrees with you in the name of bullying. If an Internet discussion is hurting your feelings then you have to be adult enough To not read and engage in it. It is the result of a weakening limp wristed society. You will never be able to protect everyone from bullying, it is a part of life and a person would be better served to learn to stand up for themselves. This Lawsuit talk is pure evil and straight from the devil and if you are promoting it you really need to check yourself.

Glenn Dallaire said...

Dear Anonymous @6:11pm:

Yes, to be quite frank this particular comment thread has not been very edifying throughout, most especially as of late---there has been a few good, thoughtful comments interspersed here and there, which can be beneficial or useful for discernment I think, but unfortunately quite a few of the comments are just tit-for-tat bickering and bantering along with unsubstantiated accusations, all of which really does no one any good in any way.

So, while I am loathe to shut this particular comment thread down, or any comment sections down for that matter, at this point I've simply grown weary of the seemingly endless infighting the on this thread, along with numerous exaggerated threats of libel lawsuits etc...so yes, its time to shut it down.

I think we can all agree that everyone has certainly had more than enough opportunity to express themselves and speak their peace here on this recent matter. And those interested can still comment on the other articles concerning Charlie Johnston on this website, hopefully with comments that will be thought provoking and worth considering!

May God bless all who visit here.
Glenn Dallaire


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