Marie Paule Giguere -Mother Paul Marie, Foundress of the Army of Mary--Obituary and Biography

Mother Paul-Marie (Marie-Paule Giguere) age 59
Obituary: Marie-Paule Giguere (Mother Paul-Marie), Foundress of the Army of Mary (L'Armée de Marie), the Community of the Sons and Daughters of Mary & three other religious Associations, passes from this life at age 93.

April 25, 2015: Community of the Sons & Daughters of Mary, Spiri-Maria Chapel, Lac Etchemin, Quebec.

Saturday April 25, 2015 marked the passing at age 93 of a well known alleged mystic and visionary Marie-Paule Giguere, known as Mother Paul-Marie to the members of the religious Communites of which she founded.

Marie-Paule Giguere was born in Lac-Etchemin, Quebec on September 14, 1921, the first girl of ten children born to Ernest and Laura (Begin) Giguere, a devout Catholic family. She married Geroges Cliche in 1944, and together they had five children, however she eventually separated from her husband in 1957.

After the separation from her husband, she was purportedly inspired by heaven to successively found five religious Associations or "Works", beginning with the Army of Mary (August 28, 1971) (known as L'Armée de Marie in French) and later the Community of the Sons and Daughters of Mary which consists of a Community of religious priests, deacons and professed religious sisters and brothers, and also a lay branch called the Family of the Sons & Daughters of Mary, along with two other Associations--the Oblate Patriots and the Marialys Institute. The combined membership of these five Associations numbers well into the thousands throughout the world, the majority of which are centered in Lac Etchemin, Quebec at the Communities 'Spiri-Maria Chapel and retreat center'.

By far the most popular of the Associations founded by Marie-Paule Giguere is the Army of Mary, which was founded on August 28, 1971. From the 1970's to the 1990's, the Army of Mary often held very popular days of prayer in Catholic churches throughout Canada, USA and Europe, many of which were often attended by thousands of persons. Led by Marie-Paule, the group made numerous large pilgrimages to Catholic churches and shrines throughout the world, most notably were pilgrimages to the Vatican, Lourdes, Fatima and Garabandal. 

In 1975, three years after the Army of Mary was founded, Archbishop Maurice Roy of Québec City granted the Army of Mary official Church status as a "Pious Association", as at that time the movement was in good standing. As the years progressed however, the Archdiocese began to have grave concerns about Marie-Paule's alleged messages from heaven, many of which were revealed in the volumes of her autobiography entitled "VIE D'AMOUR" (or "Life of Love" in English), the first volume of which came out in May of 1979.

Marie-Paule Giguere (Mother Paul-Marie), age 33
Difficulties with the Catholic Church leading to an eventual excommunication of the Community
For the Catholic church, one of the first "very troubling" revelations from Marie-Paule came through the Army of Mary's newspaper, which at that time was titled "Marie" (nowadays it is titled "Le Royaume" or "The Kingdom" in English) wherein Marie-Paul herself wrote a special article entitled "I am the Lady of All Peoples" --an article which according to Marie-Paule was "ordered by On-High" and in which Marie-Paule declares herself to be "The Lady of All Peoples".

Another early example of an astounding revelation concerning the person of Marie-Paule can be found in her autobiography "Live of Love", Vol XII, page 102, where concerning her sufferings at that time, and also having foreseen certain trials that were forthcoming in her 'mission', the Lord purportedly tells her in an inner locution:
"Accept; the fate of humanity hinges upon your 'fiat'.

These two examples were only the beginning of many astounding revelations over the years concerning the person of Marie-Paule; revelations that would put her, the Army of Mary and the religious and lay Communities that she founded at odds with the Catholic Church, eventually leading up to a formal excommunication by the Vatican. 

On May 4, 1987, Cardinal Louis-Albert Vachon, who was at the time the Archbishop of Québec, formally revoked the decree declaring the Army of Mary as a Pious Association. This was done after a committee of theologians examined the writings of Marie-Paule and other members of the Army of Mary and determined that they contained grave doctrinal errors. In addition, the Cardinal sanctioned the group from holding its days or prayer or any other meetings in any of the Catholic churches within the diocese.

Thus unable to hold days of prayer within the Quebec churches, Mother Paul-Marie was allegedly inspired by heaven to build a chapel in Lac Etchemin, Quebec, known as "The Eucharistic and Marian Center Spiri-Maria" which was completed in the year 2000.

Spiri-Maria Chapel -Eucharistic and Marian Center
As the years progressed, an increasing number of doctrinal beliefs primarily concerning the person and alleged mission of Marie-Paule (Mother Paul-Marie), which were based on her alleged heavenly locutions as found in her autobiography "VIE D'AMOUR" (or "Life of Love" in English) and revealed in the Army of Mary's newspaper "Le Royaume", caused much concern in both the Quebec archdiocese, and also in the Vatican, as the additional beliefs --especially those concerning the person and alleged mission of Marie-Paule as the "Lady of all Peoples" and the "Coredemptrix" --were not seen as being in conformity with Catholic theology and doctrine. Because of this, the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops (CCCB) issued a Doctrinal Note on August 15, 2001 warning the Catholic faithful of the doctrinal errors that were being promulgated by the Army of Mary and its affiliated branches.

The Lady of all Peoples statue inside of the Spiri-Maria Chapel
Four years after the Canadian Bishops Doctrinal Note came a Pastoral Letter by the Quebec Cardinal Marc Ouellet on April 4, 2005, and also a Pastoral letter to the Sons of Mary priests from the Pontifical Commissioner, Archbishop Prendergast on April 4, 2005, followed by a letter to Mother Paul-Marie from the Pontifical Commissioner, Archbishop Prendergast on June 4, 2005 and two years later on March 26, 2007 , Cardinal Ouellet issued a "Declaration on the Army of Mary" to name just a few of the many public and private attempts by the Catholic church to guide the Army of Mary and its associated branches to reject the new revelations concerning Mother Paule-Marie that were being promulgated within the Community, and to accept only the explicit doctrines of the Catholic church.

Army of Mary at Saint Peters Basilica, Rome. May 31, 1979
The culmination of events leading up to the official excommunication from the Catholic church was the attempted ordination of six men to the priesthood at the Spiri-Maria chapel on June 1, 2007. The attempted ordinations, performed by Father Pierre Mastropietro, a priest within the Community of the Sons and Daughters of Mary, was seen in the eyes of the Church as a openly schismatic act, and thus resulted in a formal Declaration of Excommunication from the Vatican , dated July 11, 2007.

As the Declaration of Excommunication states, any religious or lay member who fails to renounce their affiliation with the Community are thus formally excommunicated. This official public decree, approved by Pope Benedict XVI and signed by Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the C.D.F., was publicly announced by the archdiocese of Quebec on September 12, 2007. Therefore due to the excommunication, current active members within the Army of Mary/Community of the Sons and Daughters of Mary, whether they be professed religious or laypersons are officially no longer considered as being in communion with the Catholic church. A  decree of excommunication is the severest judgement of the Catholic church against its Members, and is used only in extreme cases as a last effort to lead the errant faithful back into communion with the Church.

Marie-Paule Giguere (Mother Paul-Marie)
Aside from the grave doctrinal controversies and the separation from the Catholic church, there is nevertheless a significant amount of good that can be said about Marie-Paule Giguere, the Army of Mary, and the Community of the Sons and Daughters of Mary and affiliated branches. Throughout the early years especially, numerous persons were inspired by the Army of Mary's conservative and traditional Catholic beliefs and practices, and the days of prayer held throughout Canada, the United States, and abroad led many people into (or back into) the practice of the Catholic faith.

Also, because Marie-Paule was widely believed to be a visionary and mystic, she received countless letters over the years from various persons throughout the world seeking guidance and spiritual advice, and countless persons were greatly encouraged and helped by her replies. In the 1950's she was the host of a radio program on Catholic spirituality (CKRB, Radio Beauce) and often gave spiritual advice to callers.  During the Army of Mary's most popular time period (prior to the Canadian Bishops Doctrinal Note in 2001), the group made a number of generous donations amounting in hundreds of thousands of dollars which were given to the Pope/Vatican in support of the Church.  

There were also numerous monetary collections that were given to charitable organisations during times of need, such as a sizable donation to the Red Cross in 2004 for the Indonesian tsunami relief efforts, to mention just one of many possible examples. Additionally, a number of priests, brothers, religious sisters and laypersons from the Community of the Sons and Daughters of Mary spent a number of years in Jamaica setting up a school and caring for the poor villagers in several communities.

Marie-Paule Giguere has left behind a large number of persons who were greatly inspired and edified by her example of self sacrifice and of loving one's neighbor out of love for God. For her followers, her passing from this life has great spiritual significance--much more than just the passing of a saint; for her followers it is the earthly passing of the Lady of all Peoples, the Daughter of the Immaculate, the Coredemptrix and the Mother of the Kingdom. Aside from the doctrinal controversies with the Catholic church, she will be remembered as a individual who sincerely sought to love God and others out of love for Him, and like many other persons, this writer feels very blessed to have known her.

Funeral Mass of Mother Paul-Marie (Marie-Paule Giguere)
One very interesting fact concerning Marie-Paule's passing on the date of April 25 is that on April 25, 2009 she wrote:
"I see the Spiri-Maria chapel full of people dressed in white. It is my funeral. What joy!"
-Published in "Le Royaume" newspaper, number 231, Jan-Feb 2015, page 22

This writer personally attended Marie-Paule's funeral and the Spiri-Maria chapel was in fact completely full of people dressed in white (men wearing white albs, and women wearing the white dresses, as is normally worn for special ceremonies within the Army of Mary). So what she "saw" back on April 25, 2009 did in fact come true, and in fact she passed on the very same date of the vision (April 25). The thing is though, the white albs and dresses are in fact always worn during any of the groups ceremonies, so it really was a self fulfilling and very obvious prediction.

Eternal rest grant unto her O' Lord, and may perpetual light shine upon her. May her soul, and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. AMEN +  

Click here for part 2: A closer look at Marie-Paule Giguere and the Army of Mary

For those interested in a more detailed historical presentation and investigation into Marie-Paule Giguere, the Army of Mary and its associated Community, as related in a straightforward and factual manner, I would highly recommend the presentation by Dr. Robert Fastiggi entitled "The Rise and Fall of the Army of Mary (L'Armée de Marie)"
For eleven years, the author of this article and host of this website was an active member of the Army of Mary, and was a lay Son of Mary in the Family of the Sons & Daughters of Mary--that is, two of the "Works" founded by Marie-Paule Giguere. I met Marie-Paule many times over the years, and read all of the volumes of her autobiography "Life of Love" and actively participated in the Army of Mary throughout the 11 years. After much soul searching, I left the Army of Mary and its associated branches in June 2007 out of obedience to the Catholic church, due to the schismatic ordinations that occurred in the Communities Spiri-Maria chapel earlier in that month. 

Three months afterwards (September 2007) the Archdiocese of Quebec announced the Declaration of Excommunication issued by the Vatican, as stated in the above article. In this, as in all things, the author and host of this website endeavors always to be in communion with the Catholic church and Its teachings. -Glenn Dallaire


Kevin M. said...

Glenn, thanks for finally sharing your personal story. It bothers me that some people are so fearful and cautious about mystics and mysticism, which strikes me as being deeply lacking in faith. But your story shows that you have come through a rather shattering personal experience with this. History proves that the unconscious motives of narcissism, self-delusion and ego-mania can be too seductive and difficult for humans to discern or avoid, even in themselves, and nowhere more so than in the religious realm. Look at India, there are countless self-proclaimed "prophets" there. The danger is that the faithful so want to believe, we so want to think we are in the inner circle of God, have the higher awareness, that we are spiritually superior to others. This is such a strong impulse in all people, that mob mania and demagoguery of charismatic preachers has always been the first fear of governments. That is why the Church must clamp down on such questionable movements so firmly. You hit the nail on the head when you said that you cannot hold the private revelations of any mystic higher than the public revelations of the Lord and His Church, which he vowed to guide and protect until the end of time. You were right to leave this movement, though it must have cost you a great deal. Your website is a lovely gift to the Church, which makes an intensive contemplation of mystical spirituality accessible for the faithful, thank you for all that you are doing. Kevin M. (also in Connecticut)

Kevin M. said...

P.S. I was myself involved with a rather "charismatic", but private movement in the Church, there was alot of pressure for me to "perform" or be more responsive for them, which I never felt able to do. Eventually they ran their course and faded away, leaving many people changed for the better, but somewhat adrift. So I saw many of the dynamics of such faith movements, as you describe, first-hand. Kevin M.

Glenn Dallaire said...

Thanks Kevin for your kind comments. I sincerely appreciate it.

May God bless you and your loved ones,
-Glenn Dallaire

Glenn Dallaire said...

For those interested, among a number of notable facts relating to Marie-Paule Giguere's passing are the facts that:

1) She reportedly passed at 5:55PM---this is notable because the number "5" directly pertains to her person and position in relation to the purported "Quinternity" as described in part two of this article.

2) It is reported that a number of years ago Marie-Paule personally told one of her acquiantences--who was an elderly woman in the Group, that when she (Marie-Paule) dies, she will come to get her. This particular woman died at around 4AM the following morning after Marie-Paule's passing, that is around 12 hours afterwards.

I leave it to the readers here to discern what--if any--significance these facts bear. My work here is simply to present the facts.
-Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

Hi Glen,

I am an active believer and member. We have always been told that we are free to stay and we are free to go. We knew that various events that have taken would cause members to leave. You have chosen to leave. You are free to do so. In your 12 years as a member had you had the opportunity to read the volumes of Life of Love and the various subsequent White Books? The proof that this is God's work exists throughout the volumes. One cannot truly discern, in my humble opinion, the authenticity of the work for their own opinion without having read the volumes. This is such a beautiful work.

Glenn Dallaire said...

Hi Anonymous,
Thank you for your comments. Well, as far as reading the volumes of "Life of love", as I wrote at the bottom of the article above, I have read ALL of the volumes (except for volumes 4 and 6 which, as you know, are not considered part of the main body of the series) and some of the volumes I have read numerous times.

Additionally, I have read the vast majority of the "Le Royaume" newspapers dating back to the 1980s, along with the vast majority of Marie-Paule's booklets, along with Sr. Jeanne D'Arc's booklets, the book containing all of the Messages of the Lady of all Peoples as given to Ida Peerdeman, and some of Mark Bosquarts writings, to name just a few. And as for the "Le Royaumes'", I actually requested and received back issues going back to the 1980's, and I read them all.

In short, I have always been a bit of a "book-worm" and I fervently enjoy reading subjects that interest me, and so during the 11 years that I was an active member in the Community, I can honestly state that I read practically everything I could get my hands on pertaining to the Work. And to this day I occasionally read some of the articles in the "Le Royaume".

So, the point here is that in comparison to other lay members currently in the Community, I have probably read and studied Mother Paul-Marie and the writings pertaining to the Community of the Lady of All Peoples far more extensively than perhaps the majority of the lay people currently in the Community itself, and I say this not out of any pride whatsoever on my part, but simply as a statement of fact. I intensively studied the writings of Mother Paul-Marie and the Community back when I was a member, because I was a member, and now I study the writings not only because I maintain this "Mystics of the church" website, but also because I am intensely interested in all things pertaining to purported mystics.

Thank you once again for your comments and I hope this answers your question.

May God bless you and your loved ones,
Glenn Dallaire

Luis said...

Having read (and still doing it) more than 20 life's of saints, one thing is very clear, and it seems to be the common point in all the catholic saints (which are the ones following the true Saint: God himself): there is no saintity where there is no humility, nor obedience.
Someone saying: "Accept; the fate of humanity hinges upon your 'fiat", does not seem very full of humility. The Lord does not dwell where pride is abundant!!! Yet, i am not judging. I hope she was saved. Delusion can be a calvary in itself!

Glenn Dallaire said...

Hi Luis,
Thanks for your comments. You are very right about the necessity of humility, for as one Saint has aptly put it "Humility is the mother of all the virtues".

Yet the statement "Accept; the fate of humanity hinges upon your 'fiat'" did not come from Marie-Paule Giguere herself, but from the Lord purportedly speaking to her, however she did write it in her autobiography, apparently out of obedience to God and/or her spiritual director.

Nevertheless, this is really just one of many astounding things attributed to her person---for as I have written in Part 2 of this article, those in her Community believe her to be the 5th person of the Quinternity, the Coredemptrix and the Lady of All Peoples.

Obviously these are incredibly extraordinary claims, and I would add that thus far they are founded only upon human testimony. And as I wrote in Part 2 of this article, what is needed at this point is a extraordinary and miraculous confirmation from God akin to something as miraculous such as the Resurrection of Jesus. Otherwise this Community, cutoff from the vine of the Christs church through the 2007 excommunication, will surely whither and die.

Thanks again Luis for your comment.

May God bless you and your loved ones,
Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

Hi Glenn,

I can respect the fact that you knew this woman personally, and your deep respect for her is evident in your articles and in your comments... but it's clear she was a false prophet.

The bizarre messages that refer to a "Quinternity", hint of reincarnation, and emphasize the self-importance of this alleged visionary are clearly contrary to the Bible and Church teachings, and are clear warning signs of a person who is either willfully deceitful, delusional, or deceived by evil spirits.

Apparently, the Church also agreed that this was all caused by at least one of the above because it condemned her private revelations and excommunicated her and her followers for their disobedience.

There's just something about this entire situation that doesn't sit well. When compared to many of the other mystics you wrote about on your blog, this woman's behavior and her revelations are not on the same level. It shouldn't matter how many predictions Mrs. Marie-Paule made that came true. Even the devil and his legions can work signs and wonders, too.

The bottomline is the Church has already ruled negatively on this whole affair. That's enough for me (or anyone else) to stay clear from anything pertaining to Marie-Paule Giguere's supposed revelations from heaven.

With all that said, I pray her soul was reconciled with God and that she's resting in God's peace. And may her followers find their way back home to the solid teachings of the Holy Catholic Church.

Discerning Catholic said...

"Feminine Being-Person" called the "Immaculate"? A reincarnation of the Virgin Mary, aka the "Immaculate"? The "Quinternity"? The "Church of John"?

People actually left the Catholic Church over these outlandish claims? UNBELIEVABLE. This movement has all the characteristics of a religious sect or cult.

Please read this from Galatians 1:8: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

Anonymous said...

Dear Glenn, I love your website in fact its one of my favorite websites. It is very clear and even the Catholic church has announced it that these messages are contrary to catholic faith and doctrine and they lead people away from the true church.No true Mystic has ever claimed something as lofty as this. Even Catherine of Sienna and Our beloved Gemma Galgani always 100% submitted themselves to the church it is so obvious that these messages are not from God kindly request you as one you has read your website for years to remove this article if possible and also the little bit of attachment to her.

Anonymous said...

Have enjoyed your articles over the past couple of years Glenn but the fact you were a follower of this "cult" makes me really question your judgement. This lady was all about gaining attention for herself as so many of these so called seers are. Maybe there is an element of loneliness or mental illness but unfortunately there are so many gullible people out there who prefer to put their trust in so called signs and messages rather than the doctrine of the Church, that these people will always have an audience. My own father in law has handed over thousands to a so called visionary here in Ireland while she lives in a luxury home. Think St Bernadette or St Gemma - humble, hidden and always obedient to the Church. This is a true mystic.

Glenn Dallaire said...

Hi Anonymous, (actually BOTH Anonymous' in the 2 posts above)

Thank you for your comments. I understand very well your position, and I agree with you in that one must be obedient to the judgments of the Church. This is exactly why back in 2007 I left the Community that Marie-Paule Giguere founded. In fact, I wrote an article about the neceessity of obedience to the judgements of the Chruch, and I really do live by the Church's guidelines in this matter.

We must remember though, that even if the Church issues a negative judgement concerning a particular visionary, everyone is still free to have their own personal opinion, but ALL have to submit to the judgement of the Church with practical obedience. What this means is that while one is still free to disagree (the Church/Bishop is not infallible in this matter), but one does owe the Church/local Bishop practical obedience, that is, one may not act against the decree. For example, one cannot promote or propagate in any way a visionary/private revelation that the Bishop has judged negatively, or continue to publicly regard it as authentic.

As for myself, while I have obeyed the judgement of the Church with practical obedience, and I have not supported or promoted the Commuity in any way since 2007, privately I am quite free to have my own opinion on the matter, and my personal opinion is simply that I am neutral, reserving judgement until God or time has shown the truth in the matter, one way or another.

Thanks again for your comments and for sharing your perspective.

May God bless you and your loved ones,
Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

This is why the Church takes time to approve of movements or alleged revelations. Something may seem good in the beginning but eventually rears its ugly head in the end. I'm sad for these people but discernment and obedience needs to be reinforced.

Tony C. said...

This post is disappointing. I agree with Discerning Catholic and others who are critical of this false mystic. She and her movement should be compared to other breakaway Catholic cult leaders (Mary Ann Van Hoof of Necedah, Clemente Dominguez of the Palmarian Catholic Church, etc.), not compared to genuine mystics such as St. Gemma Galgani, Bl. Marguerite Bays, Bl. Maria Bolognesi, etc. I don't need the Church to provide guidance on this. All one needs is common sense solidly grounded on Scriptures and Church Teaching. These messages speak for themselves - they are absurb and have lead people astray! And just looking at the alleged seer's photos makes me uncomfortable. There's something dark in her eyes. And what's up with the fancy gown and the crown? St. Gemma or any true mystic-founder of religious movements (like Marthe Robin) would never seek attention in that way. Come Holy Spirit and enlighten these poor misguided souls. Bring these lost sheep back home into the Church.

Anonymous said...

I was given Marie-Paule's first book to read not knowing anything about her or her movement. The book left me very uneasy. She talked too much about how she suffered at the hands of her scoundrel husband and she came across always as the victim; so very different from the biographies I have read of the saints. There was no humility in her whatsoever. The icing on the cake was when she compared herself to the Blessed Mother. She was most definitely a false prophet leading her followers away from the Catholic Church.

Armande Martine said...

I am wary when people post public comments anonymously. Especially those of the denigrating sort. It is evident that this is done with partial knowledge, at best.
I knew Marie- Paule for almost 40 years, as well as have read her personal writings (including all her volumes several times). She is (was) very far from touting her own horn.
On the contrary!
Reading excerpts out of context leads one (& others) to confusion. Negative comments are usually fear based, especially when we come across something new and unprecedented.
Although this mystic is more along the lines of Joan of Arc (woman leading an army who hears voices).
This mystery is unique!
We are dealing with a new mystery here. And not just of a mystic but one that deals with a woman.
A woman equal to the Redeemer. That will put off a lot of people whose hearts and minds are not open.
Glenn you are very wise indeed not to condemn. Having said that, you must realize that old boy institutions need to fall away...and give way to true spirituality.
Armande Martine

Anonymous said...

No thanks. I'll stick to the tried and true Catholic teachings we already have. Saints have been going to heaven since the time of the apostles without Marie-Paule's heresy so don't need it and definitely don't want any of it.

Anonymous said...

Glenn how are you.. can you please put a story also of our beloved sister Ida peederman. The Lady of all nation,? Thank you. Amsterdam

Anonymous said...

My late brother-in-law died as a member of this group. My sister-in-law is still a member and lives in Lac Etchemin. She gifted me with the English translation of the set of books many years ago and many of the pamphlets, pictures, souvenirs and publications about this group. I have been to Spiri-maria once.

I was not even 1/3 of the way through the first book when I was struck by a feeling of disbelief that anyone could actually become a follower of this woman. All she seemed to do was complain about how rough her life was and how many crosses she had to bear and yet it seemed to me that others were the ones taking on the responsibility for raising her children and providing for her. My own mother had a far tougher life and worked her way through it without imagining that everyone was out to get her and expecting everyone else to bail her out. She most certainly did not imagine herself to be a co-redemptrix.

I felt pity for Marie-Paule, the more I read, as to me she was afflicted with some form of mental illness. Everything was all about her and how everyone was out to get her. It struck me that the books were filled with one complaint after another and constant comments about the presence of the devil in every "calamity" that befell her or her group. Instead of the loss of luggage and such being viewed as an everyday occurrence with air travel, to her it was the workings of the devil against the group. Still I read on hoping to understand why my in-laws would follow her. I kept thinking that maybe something was lost in this English translation which appeared not to be a very professional translation.

Her predictions like that of everyone being dressed in white at her funeral were rather self-serving since it became one of the customs of the group to dress in this manner for certain occasions. Indeed, to me, all of her "costuming predictions" and apparitions for the group struck me then and now as rather silly. Hard to believe that these things would be decreed from heaven. In fact, the whole design of the chapel at Spiri-maria rather than being an atmosphere of reverence is instead, in my opinion - tacky what with the "Serta Sleeper" sheep etc.

I did find that the followers themselves were very good people as is often the case with people who get conned or gradually brainwashed into joining a cult.

However, reading the books - I had a sense of evil coming through - a sense of a big con. The answer to everything seems to be that it was predicted that many would be against her. Well yes, of course they would be based on how convoluted her proclamations are.

My saddest regret though, is that my inlaws cut themselves off from their families and friends to leave their home and move to Lac Etchemin. I al also saddened that they were excommunicated from the Roman Catholic church. I am saddened that my sister-in-law who is still involved in this cult has some feelings of paranoia as a result of a couple of members of this cult who it appears are spying on her and that she is afraid to discuss this. We have no idea of why she feels this is the case. However, this too has the markings of cult behaviour.

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