tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post6681614946390670867..comments2024-03-27T12:00:08.460-04:00Comments on Mystics of the Church: Why do visionaries describe different visual details of the same event?Glenn Dallairehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14335880223972671663noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-1707343606752489102023-04-09T00:48:27.029-04:002023-04-09T00:48:27.029-04:00This is a good article. Another example is the sty...This is a good article. Another example is the style of revelation of the Old Testament whereby God comes across as a rather stern even cantankerous figure who is often hectoring his wayward children. The people of Israel in that time were of such a state that this approach to revealing God was suited to their mentality and spiritual condition. Even Moses had to wait in a cleft in the rock wall and only see Jehovah from the back. Similarly as to the forms of Jewish religious practice, i.e. details for ritual, and construction of sacred objects, animal sacrifices etc, were representations in the external world of the nature of Divine Love and Divine Wisdom suited to their minds. When Jesus appeared amongst them to show the reality of Divine Love and Divine Wisdom in His Person they could not handle it.John Bodallahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05468292505236453976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-61190746802057324432023-04-05T23:02:55.940-04:002023-04-05T23:02:55.940-04:00我覺得我們應該尋求天主聖神,請祂幫助我們了解為什麼有這種現象的發生。
天主是真理,真理是唯一,不可能...我覺得我們應該尋求天主聖神,請祂幫助我們了解為什麼有這種現象的發生。<br />天主是真理,真理是唯一,不可能矛盾。<br />我認為我們不需也沒必要找藉口合理化目前出現許多對同事件卻不同描述的私人啟示。那是天主的事情。我們只需信賴天主,祈求祂讓我們知道為什麼並等待就足夠。Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02020841159915269581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-86135483362759227922022-02-13T13:33:05.846-05:002022-02-13T13:33:05.846-05:00A anology here, will probably
Y make you understan...A anology here, will probably<br />Y make you understand my comment ,, let's go back to the chmpionsleague final ,, manutd vs barren Munich,,, barren Munich were winning 1-0 up to 89th miniute so I say a lot of manual fans locked off the match because they seen that utd lost ,, but just say someone turned on last five minutes they seen manutd win 2-1 ,, <br />the same could be said for the mystics ,, and if you read all their books in full the conflicts don't become contradictions but become cleaterAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16750998062784458015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-1956942840920419502022-02-13T13:19:26.569-05:002022-02-13T13:19:26.569-05:00Are the conflicts realy contradictions or are the...Are the conflicts realy contradictions or are they as each mystics seen ,,, let's start with assumption ,, if you read mystical city of god ,, ul see Mary was assumed I to heaven as a child also assumed or biolocated at Pentecostal in the same book so all visionary could be right,, but seei g different assumptions in them years , next let's look at the nails one said they seen 4 nails ,, the one that only seen 3 nails and one only seen the hand dosing mean that they contradict each other their visions of what they seen,, just because one seen 4 and the other seen 3 dosing mean that their wasn't four its just what they seen they might not have seen the same thing at same time one could have seen or missed what the other seen ,,, now also one says Mary had a sister I belive it's catrhrine emrich ,, but later goes on to say the exact one thing as the others that Anne was childless but only after 2nd vow ,,which other mystics didn't see ,,, and for places that don't line up with others that Jesus is ment to be hear in one place and it dosing match the other mystics ,, remember padre pio was in two places at one time ,,and the same could be proven for maria agreda ,,, and blessed cathrine emrich did say that she witnessed a storm with 3 boats and she seen Jesus helping the 3 boats being in all them at the one time ,,,also one story said she had vision of Anne's death and others at scenes where she was ment to be dead ,, ur forgetting lazourous he was raised from the dead ,,and also was alive in the bible after that in a other scene , were talking about God here ,, the power of God is hard for our minds to absurd,, I'm not saying what I say is the reasons but it's a possibility all the visions are true and we can agree if we read all the accounts with the same details we would say they counterfeiters of each other but what's not possible to us ,, remember all things are possible with God Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16750998062784458015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-73075550388726942022019-11-15T10:35:28.303-05:002019-11-15T10:35:28.303-05:00Well put, Can I add a comment about the nails, St ...Well put, Can I add a comment about the nails, St Brigid of Sweden told us that Mary related to her that her Son Jesus was nailed to the cross with 2 nails in his feet, that was 1300 something AD and since the last century we can see the man in the shroud and he has 2 clear wounds on his foot. Just if anyone is interested............<br />http://www.crucifixionshroud.com/ed_shroudtour-5.php<br />see hereAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16672378551752757868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-64118593837792757122017-03-08T03:17:39.107-05:002017-03-08T03:17:39.107-05:00I've always thought that the visionaries may h...I've always thought that the visionaries may have all seen the same thing, but simply incorrectly recorded the exact details what they saw. They are (or were) fallible humans after all. Or perhaps their visions weren't actually visions, but meditations aided by the Holy Ghost. Each person's meditation is different in detail than another person's... ya know?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-6131599631582301122016-01-10T22:44:00.524-05:002016-01-10T22:44:00.524-05:00Thank you, and well and good insights. But just a ...Thank you, and well and good insights. But just a small note here to opine that from time to time it may be within the province of God's will or the mystic's vocation to supply a bona fide detail of historical fact. So St Hellen finds the true Cross by a dream or Blessed A. C. Emmerich's recorded visions leads an explorer to a remarkably plausible home of the BVM in Ephesus. Undoubtedly the normative value of mystical visions of the lives of Mary or Jesus et alia is however just as you say; even if God, being sovereign, is free to act outside the descriptive norms we rightly observe. Evocatushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14624881408407383648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-2176813768508942292015-10-02T13:58:44.136-04:002015-10-02T13:58:44.136-04:00Hi Anonymous,
Thanks for your comment.
No reason ...<br />Hi Anonymous,<br />Thanks for your comment.<br /><br />No reason to be confused! -Like I wrote in the article, the visions that mystics receive are first and foremost intended to convey a spiritual message and meaning. They are NOT meant to instruct us on historical matters, but normally the only thing that is intended by them is the spiritual significance and meaning behind the events, and how they can be applied to one's own spiritual life, devotion and love for God. If you look at each of these visions this way, it does not matter for example whether St Anne died when Mary was in the temple, or many years later. The spiritual lesson connected to the various visions of her life is what would be the sole meaning and purpose of such visions, and this is what God intends by revealing them.<br /><br />I hope this explanation helps.<br /><br />May God bless you and your loved ones,<br />Glenn DallaireGlenn Dallairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14335880223972671663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-26522655538746309862015-10-01T06:11:24.449-04:002015-10-01T06:11:24.449-04:00the poem of the man god says mother mary,s parents...the poem of the man god says mother mary,s parents died when she was in temple.but in Bl.anne cathrine emirich's book 'the life of the virgin mary'st anne was alive at the time of the birth of jesus .also there is alot difference in the details given by each visionaries on mother mary's death,burial(even the places and people present there are different ie. in poem of the man got st john was only present at the time of death of mother mary but in the other book st thomas was the only one who was not present there)assumption etc<br />And now i am in a state of total confusion.(i actually started reading these books to get more closer to jesus,mother mary ,st joseph ..)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-59177475836240447892015-09-23T19:07:20.738-04:002015-09-23T19:07:20.738-04:00
Hi Anonymous,
Thanks for sharing your perspective...<br />Hi Anonymous,<br />Thanks for sharing your perspective---great comment!<br /><br />May God bless you and our loved ones,<br />Glenn DallaireGlenn Dallairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14335880223972671663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-32655140631846391962015-09-23T11:59:10.091-04:002015-09-23T11:59:10.091-04:00There are some mystics who are told specifically o...There are some mystics who are told specifically of a detail in which our Lord or Mother Mary or an Angel want humanity to have cleared up. If this is so, it is the another purpose of the vision. If none is given then it is as you say. Also consider that the Parables were moral stories given with the understanding of the time. We need to dig deep into history to dispel misunderstandings. It is impossible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, but nothing is impossible with God. But also consider that the entrance to the city of Jerusalem was called the eye of the needle because camels frequently fought hard not to enter the close quarters and would sit down in refusal. That were with great effort, moved. A visionary may not care about the detail of rope verses chains even if it was presented. The sheer impact of the scene would be overpowering with detail and emotion!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-45471903633866371092015-09-22T22:07:23.173-04:002015-09-22T22:07:23.173-04:00An speaking of dates and events, the purported vis...<br />An speaking of dates and events, the purported visionary who publishes the "Locutions to the World" messages has recently stated on Sept 3, 2015 that an Economic collapse will occur during the Popes visit to America. In light of this serious prediction, for those interested I just <a href="http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2015/09/locutions-to-world-false-visionary.html" rel="nofollow">published an article concerning this matter here.</a> <br /><br />As stated in the article, there's no "wiggle room" in this prediction. This visionary will definitely rise or fall on this prophesy, and the truth will be revealed in a matter of days. I thought it might interest readers of this website. Of course I am obligated to cover such things given that I host this "Mystics of the Church" website!<br /><br />-Glenn DallaireGlenn Dallairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14335880223972671663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-39487125637321586472015-09-22T12:51:11.472-04:002015-09-22T12:51:11.472-04:00Pulled out of the socket? His Shoulder was pulled ...Pulled out of the socket? His Shoulder was pulled out of the socket???! I... have no words... Other than, I wonder why it was never taught to me during religious education.<br /><br />Also, Mary appearing as younger instead of aged in the time of the assumption: Mary might not have appeared aged the way a normal person ages. It's likely she looked much younger. Think about it: sin and death didn't touch her. She might not have ever been wrinkled or anything like that, she might have looked very young even when she was older.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-41443798325297129072015-09-22T12:45:28.371-04:002015-09-22T12:45:28.371-04:00Another absolutely wonderful mystic is Maria Valto...Another absolutely wonderful mystic is Maria Valtora, often referred to as one of the greatest Marian mystics of all time. Her writings are an absolute "must read." They have changed my faith so much and increased a deep love for the Mother of God and Jesus Himself in me! Her major work is "The Gospel As Revealed To Me", also known formerly as "The Poem of the Man God.""Herfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06956324148464360707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-42260465910210907102015-09-22T08:47:07.370-04:002015-09-22T08:47:07.370-04:00There are some problems with the numbers in script...There are some problems with the numbers in scripture. For example, the New Jerusalem in Apoc. 21:16 is described as a cube of 12,000 furlongs on each side. If literally true, at eight furlongs to a mile, this building would be so tall that it would interfere with earth satellites. It is possible several zeroes were added. <br /><br />Another example 2 Kings 19:35 which says an angel of the Lord killed 185,000 Assyrians. This number is too large for armies at that time (c. 700 BC) surrounding a city, Jerusalem in this case, and is suspicious due to the three zeroes, at least one which may have been added laterSilverStonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00691045424395122193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-89111680719541544932015-09-21T23:09:45.235-04:002015-09-21T23:09:45.235-04:00God bless you Glenn! I'm just thankful for all...God bless you Glenn! I'm just thankful for all your hard work in running this site<br /><br />Anonymous -- you are right, we don't have the actual pieces of parchment that the Evangelists and Prophets wrote on, but the mere fact that we don't have the autographs of the Scriptures doesn't change anything. The New Testament, for example, is verified precisely by more manuscripts than any document in history. Each word of the Greek is certain. Though you are correct that we cannot necessarily have inerrant certainty in the translations.DOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18243481485409235583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-38178306426876492532015-09-21T16:09:34.475-04:002015-09-21T16:09:34.475-04:00Thank you Daniel O'Connor! You bring up a grea...<br />Thank you Daniel O'Connor! You bring up a great point. This is why I appreciate having a theologian "on board" reading my posts, because your comments are always excellent and much appreciated.<br /><br />Thanks again and may God bless you and your loved ones,<br />Glenn Dallaire<br /><br />Glenn Dallairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14335880223972671663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-39227701746299335012015-09-21T15:21:39.819-04:002015-09-21T15:21:39.819-04:00The Church does teach scripture is error free...bu...The Church does teach scripture is error free...but only the original texts....and there are no original texts in existence. We only have copies of copies where things could have been changes or added. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-53633855981546452582015-09-21T14:24:41.940-04:002015-09-21T14:24:41.940-04:00Beautiful post.
Permit me to make a small but es...Beautiful post. <br /><br />Permit me to make a small but essential addition though (not a criticism of anything in the post)<br /><br />Scripture is also fundamentally different from any Private Revelation in that it is truly inerrant (see Providentissimus Deus), therefore it does not have a single actual error; not even historical or geographical error. Any apparent error in Scripture of *any* sort is just that -- *apparent,* not *actual.* <br /><br />Private Revelation, on the other hand can have *actual* errors; errors in minor details of location, time, etc.; or errors in major things. These, as Glenn beautifully stated, should not trouble us -- the purpose of Private Revelation is not to be inerrant and foundational like Scripture; it is to be prophetic (that is, to apply the Gospel to a certain time). DOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18243481485409235583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-92086814183452169202015-09-21T09:21:16.477-04:002015-09-21T09:21:16.477-04:00It can be also true that the mystics will sometime...It can be also true that the mystics will sometimes misinterpret the vision or information given to them. Visions of Mary always show her as a young woman, not as she actually appeared at the time of her Assumption. This is spiritually closer to the truth than her appearance as an aged woman. SilverStonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00691045424395122193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-68754414184835586892015-09-07T15:52:51.799-04:002015-09-07T15:52:51.799-04:00
Thank you Michael for sharing your interesting th...<br />Thank you Michael for sharing your interesting thoughts and reflections.<br /><br />May God bless you and your loved ones,<br />Glenn DallaireGlenn Dallairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14335880223972671663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-43269581063103914532015-09-06T20:14:54.407-04:002015-09-06T20:14:54.407-04:00It is a great consolation to see that I am thinkin...It is a great consolation to see that I am thinking in a similar vein. If a person worried about the accidentals of things seen in visions, he might be greatly disturbed. Some visions seem very realistic, portrayed through our senses but they are thus presented because of the impact that has on the visionary, to use a convenient term. But such visions are not the only kind, and the intellectual vision which is not portrayed via the senses are no less impressive to the person seeing them. If anything, the effect they have for not being mediated through the senses is more impressive to the person because it affects a person even more deeply. A person can have either kind. And if I am not mistaken, there are visions that are even deeper and profound, and of these I am ignorant. A genuine vision contains a certain stamp of authenticity, especially the ones not mediated by the senses. They are impressive, and the impression is made very deeply in a person so it remains vivid and immune to doubting.Brother Michael of the Crosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292413956159493590noreply@blogger.com