tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post8107942270979994636..comments2024-03-27T12:00:08.460-04:00Comments on Mystics of the Church: Men and Woman messiah's? Outlandish visionaries and the strange cults that surrounded themGlenn Dallairehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14335880223972671663noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-49394578575165229982020-11-27T19:23:22.325-05:002020-11-27T19:23:22.325-05:00Always remember this, as false prophets abound so ...Always remember this, as false prophets abound so do false accusersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-57379250711864625102018-09-09T12:10:09.942-04:002018-09-09T12:10:09.942-04:00Holy Rosary Abbey with Ryan St. Anne Scott-Gevelin...Holy Rosary Abbey with Ryan St. Anne Scott-Gevelinger is very much a cult. He's defrauded devout elderly Catholics to the point of destitution for decades. He's just completed his latest felony sentence for weapons charges, admitted to being a male prostitute during a time period he convincing donors he was in the monastery, and has publicly claimed Blessed Fulton Sheen raped him in Milwaukee in 1976. Watch for his new incarnation starting up soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-38343058074915968562017-07-05T19:11:39.786-04:002017-07-05T19:11:39.786-04:00I was in Regnum Christi at the time of all of this...I was in Regnum Christi at the time of all of this mentioned above, and Nick is correct. We all thought that Father Maciel was being wrongly accused and, most importantly, persecuted. Now we all know the true story.Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09316344473160385664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-53363945412839718192017-04-06T17:43:09.778-04:002017-04-06T17:43:09.778-04:00I come from Bedford!!!!I come from Bedford!!!!Dan Rookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08979083750595205147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-7608056442999503842017-03-28T19:38:34.059-04:002017-03-28T19:38:34.059-04:00Hi Glen,
Thank you very much for your reply and ...Hi Glen, <br /><br />Thank you very much for your reply and the additional information. I agree with your fundamental point that even someone like St John Paul II can be deceived and mistaken about the holiness (or lack of it) of another, as he clearly was in this case. Also, having now read further about this, I think you are right to say that it is highly unlikely he didn't know about at least some of the allegations against Fr Maciel at some point, though what and when exactly is not so clear. Without trying to falsely justify his actions or lack of action against Fr Maciel, which only God can judge, I think it is important to state that these were, at the time of his suppport for Fr Maciel, only allegations and it seems that he was advised by those around him, as it turns out falsely, that they were fabrications made by enemies of the Legionaries of Christ. You and I'm sure many of your readers, including myself, love John Paul II and so I hope it is worth clarifying all of this for everyone.<br /><br />God bless you and your loved ones too.<br /><br />My prayers,<br />Nick<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The main allegationsNicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-16658659055520673162017-03-28T10:19:01.979-04:002017-03-28T10:19:01.979-04:00Thanks for the information Nick! I do know that go...<br />Thanks for the information Nick! I do know that going way back to the mid 1990's my own regional newspaper, the Hartford Courant, wrote several front page stories detailing Fr. Marcial Maciel Degollado sexual misconduct with a number of young men--a group of which who had come forth at that time. These stories made international news, and this group of men--several of which were respected professionals in their fields--repeatedly petitioned several Vatican offices to investigate back at that time (1990's), so in all truthfulness I honestly find it very unlikely that Pope John Paul was not at least aware of these allegations. I think that he simply discounted them as fabrications. One can Google this subject and find a slew of news reports detailing Fr. Maciel's sexual misconduct that go back to the 1990's. <br /><br />With all due respect to Pope John Paul II secretary, Cardinal Dziwisz, during the canonization investigations for John Paul he definitely has been shown to have a very 'selective memory' concerning certain details which could be seen as unfavorable, often seemingly fashioning and twisting the more unpleasant details concerning JPII always in a more favorable light, and/or leaving out these negative details which, however unfavorable, are an important part of the story.<br /><br />Nevertheless, one can see in the story how Cardinal Dziwisz insisted that Pope John Paul II never should have met with Fr. Maciel--but the truth is, he more than just met with him, he supported him and his work in the Legion of Christ over several decades--and this long after the stories had broke out in many corners concerning Fr. Maciel's sexual improprieties with young men and also with mistresses.<br /><br />In then end, I personally love Pope St. John Paul II, but at the same time I don't hesitate to recognize the fact that he made a very poor and unfortunate error in judgement concerning Fr. Marcial Maciel Degollado. Pope John Paul's public support for him and his Legion of Christ, and his statement that Fr. Maciel is a "effacacious example for youth" will always be an unfortunate part of his otherwise extraordinarily beneficial pontificate. We all make mistakes and this was certainly one of his---the lesson is that even Pope's make errors in judgement concerning spiritual leaders/persons like Fr. Maciel, who seem to be authentic on the surface, yet in reality are not of God.<br /><br />Thanks again for your comment and may God bless you and your loved ones,<br />Glenn DallaireGlenn Dallairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14335880223972671663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-43666508738888915522017-03-27T19:26:32.034-04:002017-03-27T19:26:32.034-04:00Hi,
I think what is written here, probably uninte...Hi,<br /><br />I think what is written here, probably unintentionally, gives the impression that St John Paul II knew what Fr Marciel was up too when he made his comments about him. This article suggests otherwise: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/11/05/blessed-john-paul-iis-secretary-says-meeting-with-legionaries-founder-was-a-mistake/<br /><br />I thought I would like to set the record straight or at least give the other side of the argument, in defence of such a beloved Saint.<br /><br />I would like to add that I have been greatly blessed over the years by many of the articles on your website, Glen, which have introduced me to many saintly men and women, I would not have otherwise read about, who have helped me in my journey with God. <br /><br />Thank you and God bless you!<br /><br />NickNicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-14921443459772494892017-03-04T15:33:54.549-05:002017-03-04T15:33:54.549-05:00We know Scripture tells us to beware of false prop...We know Scripture tells us to beware of false prophets & their movements, but one must also discern in Jesus name if such given information IS sent from heaven. For the detractors of Visionaries who have received heavenly messages from Jesus, and or The Blessed Mother, tell others they are fake due to their theological knowledge or "opinion"; Or a church clergy's opinion, could be making grave error. (Clergy,as human men, have been wrong too) <br /><br />Myself and thousands visited the late Atlanta Visionary Nancy Fowler receiving messages at her farm. Opinion makers say she was a fake. They were never there, which is typical of opinion makers. My wife and I witnessed a polaroid print taken during this event that immediately contained Our Savior Jesus, & The Blessed Mother's beautiful image appearing on this print. We began to cry! The aroma of roses were immediately present, but only to a few. Opinion makers will probably say we were delusional, or it's a manifestation of evil. Thirty years ago a photo was taken from a plane, & the color negative given to me for printing. The awesome photo was of Jesus floating in the clouds. No Fake here. Many believed the image true, Yet a few had a difficult time believing. <br /><br />"The Book of Truth", given by Jesus for five years to a working mother in Ireland, is also disliked by Catholic clergy, (and this comment section) as a fake. Sad that opinion makers never read this beautiful "Book of Truth", or over a hundred prayers given to the world. Why do people conclude with negative judgements & opinions on such a serious situation, when their knowledge in the matter is weak. But, do to theological opinions from others, say it's a fake! Always pray first to discern if this given information IS from heaven, then carefully read the entire messages and prayers to understand it's Truth. Give others the same opportunity. "Opinions" many times, no matter the source, can be WRONG, thus keeping many of God's children from reading His Word given to mankind. I have learned to not dismiss every Visionary or Prophet just from opinion only, but read and discern myself. We all try to understand the "Truth" and false information that exists in our world. Understanding when Our Lord Jesus, God The Father, and Mary the Mother of Salvation, communicates to us through others, can be a heavenly moment!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02798403162003040199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-65377845534553642852017-03-03T01:54:38.711-05:002017-03-03T01:54:38.711-05:00I believe the devil can create many false miracles...I believe the devil can create many false miracles and it seems to be happening at holylove in Ohio. Many miraculous photos that <br />Are given, but not by heaven. Not too many people were there when I visited and the local bishop has warned the faithful not to go and pray. I think the woman is either delusional or<br />Possibly possessed... remain obedient to what the church dictates!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-35624040595684230802017-02-28T21:44:31.762-05:002017-02-28T21:44:31.762-05:00Many outlandish cults that grew on the fringes of ...Many outlandish cults that grew on the fringes of the Catholic Church are still operating today. Holy Love Ministry, led by Maureen Sweeney-Kyle in Ohio, is one; the cult of Maria Divine Mercy is another. The Catholic Church as formally condemned both, Holy Love in 2009, MDM in 2014. "Sherpa" Charlie Johnston was recently debunked with the failure of his "Presidential Prophecy, covered elsewhere on this site. Johnston's archdiocese has labeled his visions "false" and warned Catholics not to attempt reinterpret his messages earlier this month. False prophets crop up in every age. Most certainly there is a new one waiting in the wings even now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-75745377922609241252017-02-28T20:44:19.096-05:002017-02-28T20:44:19.096-05:00The author could have included false traditional C...The author could have included false traditional Catholic cults such as Holy Rosary Abbey and felon phony priest Ryan St. Anne Gevelinger-Scott.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-56226060479755396082017-02-28T15:40:20.233-05:002017-02-28T15:40:20.233-05:00
Fascinating article. Many facts I was unaware of,...<br />Fascinating article. Many facts I was unaware of, particularly the last paragraph concerning Pope John Paul II.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-34432972855893614812017-02-28T08:33:49.359-05:002017-02-28T08:33:49.359-05:00Well said Luis. Well said Luis. Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00738269644084139373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-54949350520806139552017-02-28T04:39:28.815-05:002017-02-28T04:39:28.815-05:00Christ Himself worned us about individuals that wo...Christ Himself worned us about individuals that would proclaim themselves Messiah. It is also know that the next coming of Jesus is not as human (His mission was done), but as Christ Judge, hence it will be something so spectacular that the whole world is going to see it. <br />Now, if one knows these things, so simple to understand, why would anybody believe in a new Messiah???<br />I urge everybody to read the lives and works of the saints: there you can see how they are so humble, that it is impossible for any of them to proclaim themselves messiahs... And with their examples, teaching and works, you can Love and Know our God better, and understand the value of holy mass, comunion, prayer, love... God teaches us using the saints. A true saint does not boast of the gifts he\she receives. <br />Where there is not HUMILITY, God is not there!<br />It is this simple! This is how one can discern true from false.<br />God bless you all.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971563244654472603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-91206748678377946252017-02-27T17:11:53.435-05:002017-02-27T17:11:53.435-05:00Hi Anonymous,
Thanks for your comment and the info...Hi Anonymous,<br />Thanks for your comment and the information concerning Roy Legere---the name definitely ran a bell, and when I Googled it I came across an article that I had read a number of years ago concerning the group Roy Legere had founded named "Apostolic Formation Center For Christian Renew–All". <br /><br />According to this article, it seems Mr J. Roy Legere's group "Apostolic Formation Center For Christian Renew–All" was expelled from St. Thomas Aquinas Parish in West Warren, MA in 1973 "when the parish's pastor, Father Gerald Durocher, became concerned that founder J. Roy Legere had deluded members with personal revelations he said he received from God and the Blessed Virgin." <br /><br />The article further goes on to say "Roy Legere, who died in 1979, led a network of prayer groups in various northeastern states from the parish. Father Durocher acted [against the movement] after Legere told followers to relocate to the area, and await the Second Coming of Christ."<br /><br />After Roy Legere's death, the new leader of the group was Roy Legere's son, Paul, who was referred to as "the anointed one" by cloistered Dominican nun Sister Marie Louis Bertrand, who served as one of J. Roy Legere's chief spiritual advisors."<br />___________________________________________________<br /><br />So yes, you are quite right to point out that the movement founded by Mr. Roy Legere was "very bizarre" indeed!<br /><br />Thanks again for your comment,<br />Glenn Dallaire<br /><br /> Glenn Dallairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14335880223972671663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-43738081787569369982017-02-27T14:20:07.369-05:002017-02-27T14:20:07.369-05:00Have you heard of Roy Legere, the author of "...Have you heard of Roy Legere, the author of "Be My Son"? A very bizarre individual and yet priests and nuns were caught up with his so-called Divine Intimacy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-50911837695710867262017-02-27T10:36:42.609-05:002017-02-27T10:36:42.609-05:00Hi Anonymous,
Yes, I am familiar with the Focolore...<br />Hi Anonymous,<br />Yes, I am familiar with the Focolore movement as in recent decades it has had a pretty significant following here in the USA. It is certainly in the top 5 or so Catholic movements here in North America, along with Cursillo, the Charismatic movement, the Legion of Christ, Regnum Christi and the Army of Mary. <br /><br />Yet we see however in the last two above-named examples how while they initially found favor within the Catholic church, for various reasons their founders/leaders eventually became significantly at odds with the official hierarchy of the Catholic church. There is a lesson in this, I think. <br /><br />As to Focolore movement and its founder Chiara Lubich specifically, I personally have not come across or received any significant concerns, though for sure it is not immune to criticism--after all, what movement and founder isn't?. As you know, it seems to have found very significant support within the Vatican, as reportedly quite a few Cardinals/Bishops/Priests are "focolarino".<br /><br />Thanks for your comment and may God bless you and your loved ones,<br />Glenn DallaireGlenn Dallairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14335880223972671663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-66260019616050105162017-02-27T00:20:34.861-05:002017-02-27T00:20:34.861-05:00Glen,
Some years back, I got involved with the Foc...Glen,<br />Some years back, I got involved with the Focolare Movement, and for a while things were okay as it was always about emptying oneself for Jesus and being at the service of others.<br /><br />But soon, I began to become troubled by the local leadership's almost fanatical obedience to Chiara Lubich - the then head of the movement. I was told that if you felt your very name wasn't right, you could write to Chiara and she would offer a different name. People in my group even wrote to her asking for advice on naming their homes, and she wrote back telling them the name. I don't know if it was a leadership issue or something with the movement itself, but I soon left it. I understood allegiance to Christ, but I felt Chiara Lubich, who was alive then, was being elevated to saint-status, and it troubled me.<br /><br />Was I wrong about this movement? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7233237209177841826.post-69172947920923570172017-02-26T20:57:33.277-05:002017-02-26T20:57:33.277-05:00Several more persons from recent decades could be ...<br />Several more persons from recent decades could be added to this false messiah's list, like the "whacko from Waco" David Koresh, Jim Jones, and a few others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com