The Presidential prophecy- An update on Charlie Johnston

A triumphant Trump inaugurated amidst some bold predictions
Update Jan 1, 2018: Concerning Mr. Johnston's alleged prophecies and private revelations, from early on this writer often commented that time and events (or lack of events) will clearly reveal whether Charlie's prophecies are authentic, or not.  In other words, time will tell. 

Well, as of today (January 1, 2018) time has clearly revealed that Mr. Johnston's numerous prophecies have ALL been shown to be completely false, most notably his predictions concerning the Presidential election, the great worldwide "Storm" which he foretold would bring global economic collapse and civil strife, toppling governments throughout the globe, war with political Islam resulting with the mass conversion of most Muslims, then a war with China, and generalized  global chaos resulting in 26 million dead, all culminating with the miraculous "Rescue" apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to all of humanity, all of which was prophesied by Charlie to occur by the end of 2017. 

In conclusion, since Charlie's prophecies have now all been shown to be completely false, he joins the list of recent failed visionaries whose stories have been highlighted on this site, such as "Locutions to the World" and "Maria Divine Mercy", and together they provide a strong cautionary warning for all of us in regards to purported visionaries and mystics of past and present, urging us to be very cautious and prudent in our discernment concerning such persons,  reaffirming the statement and warning of St Paul of the Cross, the founder of the Passionists and great mystic himself, who once stated that 9 out of 10 purported visionaries are false.  Perhaps this estimation from St Paul of the Cross is a bit high, but then again perhaps not.  -Glenn Dallaire
UPDATE, January 20, 2017: 
With the successful inauguration of President Donald Trump comes the unfulfilled conclusion to both parts of the alleged angelic “Presidential prophecy” of Charlie Johnston, namely that Obama will not finish his term and the next leader will not come from the political system (ie.-not elected), as detailed in the article below. It was a bold two-part prophecy that has now ended in a double fail.

When one claims to be a prophet of God, one’s life and most especially one’s prophecies are automatically held for scrutiny before the court of public opinion. In this court of public opinion, the preponderance of the evidence is what often initially sways one’s opinion, yet there eventually comes to pass certain very important matters for discernment, such as key prophecies, which depending on their eventual turnout, will considerably authenticate, or invalidate, the purported mission and message of such persons.  And when one compares the alleged angelic ‘Presidential prophecy’ against today’s successful inauguration, the conclusions to be drawn are self-evident.  

With the above being said, one would strongly suspect that today’s inauguration, which by all appearances completely invalidates the first formal public prophecy of Charlie Johnston, will likely be one of these aforementioned key matters for discernment that will have a decisive impact in judging his purported prophetic mission and message for a good many people.  For if a prophet is judged by his prophecies as the saying goes, then today’s failure of the purported angelic ‘Presidential prophecy’,  as detailed in the article below,  will for many persons surely bring with it an unfavorable judgment in what concerns the prophetic mission of Charlie Johnston. 

For in his blog post "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
"...If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

And again, concerning today’s inauguration, for his part Charlie has also declared in his post entitled “Election day” on November 7th that:
 “…If, on January 20, Obama peacefully transfers power to either Trump or Clinton, I will declare myself unreliable and retire into silence.”  

With this pledge, one finds that today’s inauguration will bring with it not only the end of Obama’s term, but also the end of Charlie Johnston’s public blogging, speaking engagements, and future predictions, at least for a time, though the loss of credibility from today’s events will likely be permanent. 

And I say "for a time" simply because of Charlie's recent comments on his blog concerning the possibility of today's failure of his "Presidential prophecy", wherein he recently speaks about the possibility of being "recalled" by God into a silent, private period for some sort of remedial prophetic discernment re-training "for a time".

Nevertheless, for those who in good faith spread amongst their family, friends and coworkers Charlie's prediction concerning "Obama not finishing his term/next leader not coming from the political process", and who are now left feeling much like "the boy who cried wolf", one can only presume that any possible future prophetic predictions from Charlie will be given little or no credence, if not outright opposition by many who have followed his work and message, as is perhaps justifiably merited by today's developments. In the end, it is up to Archbishop Aquila of Denver to make any formal judgments concerning Charlie Johnston's private revelations.

As for this writer, I can say that while I have always been reluctant to highlight purported LIVING mystics and visionaries, I am even more so now after these recent events.

May God bless the United States of America, and all of humanity.
-Glenn Dallaire, January 20, 2017

Charlie Johnston during a recent FOCUS TV interview
The final days for the possible fulfillment of a purported Angelic prophecy 

By: Glenn Dallaire

Jan. 7, 2017 -Vigil of the Epiphany
Many readers of this website are familiar with the original article that I wrote back in January 2015 entitled  "Charlie Johnston -An alleged prophet with a critically important message for humanity".  In it I discussed at length Charlie's purported prophetic mission and message, along with a short biography of his life. And for the past two years it has been one of the most popular articles on this website.

Additionally, when the Archdiocese of Denver came out with a Statement in March 2016 concerning Mr. Johnston I published an article here discussing it.

The Presidential prophecy
In the past week, the comments beneath that original article have exploded (there are now currently a total of 770 comments), as has my email inbox, with most everyone commenting specifically on the angelic prophecy allegedly given to Charlie, which I have named "The Presidential prophecy":

"What I was told in the Spring of 2008 was that Barack Obama would win that year's election, that he would not finish his full term, and that the next stable national leader would not come from the political system."

The obvious reason for all of the recent attention to this specific alleged angelic prophecy is the upcoming scheduled Presidential Inauguration scheduled for this January 20th--just 2 weeks away from this writing. For his part, just yesterday Charlie published an article entitled "A Decisive Conundrum" which addresses this matter, in part.

This particular prophecy is the first of a series of alleged angelic prophesies concerning the world that are to occur mostly this year (2017). And since we are delving into this subject of alleged "Angelic" messages given to Charlie, it should be pointed out that the Angel whom has purportedly visited Charlie from childhood is the Archangel Gabriel, as was specifically revealed to Charlie during one of the "visitations". The other predictions that Charlie insists upon are highlighted in his article entitled "Go Forth". In it Charlie reveals eight worldwide events that are said to occur::

"I only have eight public prophecies that I insist on. Only the visible, miraculous Rescue by Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception in late 2017, is time sensitive. Five things must happen between now and the Rescue, but can happen at any time during that period. They are:

– The continued toppling of governments throughout the world, including that of the U.S. The toppling of a government does not mean the nation shall fall.

– The confrontation with and fall of political Islam.

– The mass conversion of most Muslims

– The confrontation between the Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China.

– The alliance between Russia and the U.S. to lead the Judeo-Christian world to endure the confrontation with China.

-Then, after the 5 things above comes the miraculous "Rescue" through the Immaculate Heart of Mary sometime in late 2017.

Then there are two prophecies that happen shortly after the Rescue. They are the unification of the faithful into one flock under one shepherd and the building and location of the Shrine of thanksgiving for the Rescue on Mount Meeker in Colorado.

Together these predicted events constitute for humanity what Charlie calls "The Storm"--a series of events which he states is already well underway. As of today (January 7, 2017), the most obvious observation concerning the prophesies above is that time is really running out for them to all happen before the miraculous Rescue in late 2017. Thus, from an intellectually reasoned perspective, it is probably readily apparent to many that such predictions are already a failure, given the time-frames involved for such things to occur in "real" time. But then, who really knows just yet? For God is not limited by our human constraints and He is always full of surprises.

It should be noted that the "Presidential prophecy" is NOT part of the eight public prophesies that Charlie insists upon. I don't know what bearing that may have, if any, in the upcoming days and weeks.

"God has appointed that this be a sign to you"
In his article "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
"If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

Of course for now the big question at this point is whether or not the purported angelic prophecy concerning Obama not finishing his term/next leader not coming from the election process will come to pass as foretold in the remaining two weeks before the scheduled Presidential inauguration on January 20th. And the obvious implication in the opinion of many people is that this prophecy is key in determining whether Charlie is truly an authentic prophet, or not. For as the saying goes "A prophet is judged by his prophecies", or as Scripture tells us:

"And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not fear him." (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

For his part, Charlie has stated numerous times that if this particular prophecy concerning Obama not finishing his term were to fail, with the presidency successfully transitioned to Donald Trump, that he will post one last post on his blog, then go away:
Charlie Johnston during a presentation in July 2016
charliej373 says:
"If there is a peaceful transition of power from Obama to Trump, I will go away. If there is not, be not afraid, God has a plan."

or again:
 charliej373 says:
December 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm
"Now, as I have said, if the inauguration goes on without incident, I will go away. "

or again:
charliej373 says:
"Certainly, if we have a normal inauguration a month from now, I will retire from the field, for that prophecy will have been objectively wrong. I take full responsibility for that. But it won’t change what you are called to do.

Noting that I do and will take responsibility, your standard would require you to dismiss St. Joan of Arc as a false prophet for the times she erred on saying how the battle would go – and many of the Old Testament prophets who were often off on their timing, sometimes by years. I do not say this to try to justify any error on my part. I strongly urge you to examine yourself and consider what God calls you to. But yep, a month from now if we have a normal inauguration, you can give me a big old thumbs down."

charliej373 says:
January 8, 2017 at 9:21 pm
"If the inauguration comes off, I will leave the public scene, because that is what it means to honorably take full responsibility. "

And so, even though this "Presidential prophecy" is not one of the eight public prophecies that Charlie insists upon, according to several statements he has made he does believe that if it fails to come to pass as foretold, this would be significant enough to merit and declare himself "unreliable" and "leaving the scene". Time will soon tell how things turn out. For his part, Charlie has "laid it on the line", so to speak. We need only wait, watch and pray. Events, or the lack thereof, will reveal the truth concerning Charlie's purported private revelations.

Given all of the recent interest in this particular prophecy as of late, along with the popularity of the original article here on this website concerning Charlie Johnston, I thought I would publish this new article so that those interested can comment on this matter freely and directly here. As always, all comments are published immediately on this website, without moderation. I only ask that commentators be charitable and considerate in their comments.

***UPDATE: FEBRUARY 16, 2017: Archdiocese of Denver: "Statement on false claim regarding Charlie Johnston’s messages"


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L Spinelli said...

Hi Jack and Glenn,

This was written here back in February 2018:

His archbishop ought to comment on this attempt to bolster his failed predictions lest he continue to inch his way back to a failed role as spiritual leader.

Sadly for the people who can't let go of Charlie, that's how a completely failed prophet reinvented himself.

With the climate in Catholic media these days, e. g. Raymond Arroyo and Father Richard Heilman, he of the sacramentals housed in gun cases fame, Charlie held on to his core nutters and gained more followers. None of his failed prophecies make any difference to these people because they like what he says about their perceived culture war enemies.

As for the Rescue and its failure, all Charlie had to do was ignore what he said about it in the now vanished "Birmingham Dinner" video and transcript and the description of it that he provided on TNRS, no longer available for public view. Charlie allowed a couple of posts on the new sitethat challenged his reinterpretation of what was clearly conveyed to him, but as usual, he explained it all away in his glib manner. If there were any other posts challenging him, they didn't get through. The man is too deep in denial to admit he was deceived. He also seems to have way too large of an ego to allow this failure. So, he found another way to stay relevant (like having breakfast with Michael Voris recently. How's he getting around so much, and who's funding it? From more Prayer of Miraculous Trust royalties perhaps?), simply glomming onto the divisions between "liberal" and "orthodox" Catholics. People should have paid attention: he said who he was in the very beginning, a political consultant. He groomed and reinvented candidates; he used these skills to benefit himself in 2014 and now.

Anonymous said...

As the midterm elections approach, I am reading more national news. It occurs to me that Charlie Johnston has a lot in common with Michael Avenatti, the lawyer who has just been referred to the Department of Justice. Avenatti did his best to seize the limelight. He made up stories to get himself in the news. He mislead people for his own purposes. He doesn't apologize for anything. He sees himself as presidential candidate--although not a "Regent" selected by God! He taunts those who disagree with him. And even after he's been exposed, Avenatti (Charlie Johnston) keeps on lying and pretending to have the upper hand.

Anonymous said...

It really is amazing how Charlie Johnston, whose record is perfect, perfect failures that is, manages to not only hang onto his core nutters, but to actually gain more followers. I understand that his repeated failures mean nothing to his core nutters, but his ability to attract ANYONE, EVER is astounding. I find it incomprehensible. Well, I guess it goes to show that if someone is a skillful liar, failed records can be somehow be re-engineered into somehow having been both accurate and genuine. I'll surmise that it all depends on the neediness and ignorance of his followers. Sad, but I guess suckers are still being born every minute.


Anonymous said...

Charlie is presented with facts, which clearly refute his tall tales, i.e. blogger Kevin O'Brien's exposing Charlie's alleged walk across America - as never having happened, via examination of open source social media. Charlie, however, is undaunted. he really can talk his way out of anything.

Anybody recall how Charlie once saved a family from a burning car, and single handily foiled an armed bank robbery? Utter fantasies, but, hey, who even remembers? Had people been aware of his life long pattern of fabricating tall tales, his 'visions' may well have never attracted folks, who're now being called his 'core nutters', amongst others. Charlie is a proven liar with not one successful prophecy. That's settled law. What remains a glaring and compelling question is how this snake oil salesman is able to forge on, unapologetic and defiant as always.

Jim D.

Anonymous said...

Charlie was repeatedly predicting in his blog that the Republicans were going to sweep the midterms "quite handily". Of course this ended up being just another failed prediction in a slew of ongoing failed predictions for Charlie. At least he acknowledged this one and ate crow afterwards stating in his blog
"I was more wrong than I have ever been about the results of an election."

Um, no Charlie! Actually your very public presidential prophecy double fail back in late 2016 was by far the worst of your election prediction fails. This one was just another one of a series of your usual prediction failures.

Anonymous said...

"If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

Please, Charlie, go away.

L Spinelli said...

I found this on Facebook, and even though Charlie is old news by now, his cult doesn't think so. Almost every one of these applies to the TNRS/ASOH (say that one fast and it sounds like asshole) cult.

10 warning signs that you are probably a member of a cult-not just a religious one but perhaps a political one.

* If you are not allowed to criticize your leader, even if the criticism is true, you are probably a member of a cult

* If you are only allowed to study your organization through approved sources (Fox News, Q Anon, Lifesite News, etc), you are probably a member of a cult.

* If former members are routinely delegitimized, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If your group is paranoid about the outside world, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If your group relies on shaming cycles (e.g., Twitter attacks), then you are probably a member of a cult.

* If the leader is above the law and held to a different moral standard, particularly with regard to sex, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If your serious questions are answered with cliches, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If your leader presents himself as the only solution any serious problem, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If you are not allowed to know how the leader makes his money and what he does with it, you are probably a member of a cult.

* If there are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the leader, you are probably a member of a cult.

Credit goes to Eric Edeen

Anonymous said...

Charlie recently claimed he's consulting with Texas Right to Life (a group the Texas bishops urged Catholics to ignore) and also with some candidates for Congress. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone in the public sector would accept Charlie as a consultant or even as a volunteer. Don't they have Google? It's not hard to find out just what a mess Charlie has left behind in his last venture. I can only assume he is exaggerating greatly his role with any responsible group or person.

As for ignoring news... that reminded me of the newspaper story from way back that said Charlie's wife had to get help from local charities during the time after their split. What a stand-up guy!

L Spinelli said...

"He's exaggerating his role greatly"

That sounds familiar. Like a certain pilgrimage that he greatly exaggerated. Like he didn't walk 3200 miles as he claimed. Kevin O'Brien took those claims apart three years ago now!

Why does anyone still listen to him? Because being an Alt Right Catholic is, as he recently claimed, courageously going against the grain. There aren't enough 🙄 for that.

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston marches forward, unapologetic as always. A gifted snake oil salesman, as he's accurately been described on this site, Charlie often attempts to latch, or leach, onto legitimate or mainstream people & organizations. Legitimacy by association. Clever enough, however obvious. As has been correctly opined, Charlie's cult does NOT care about his past, failed professional careers; his numerous failed prophecies, nor his fabricated (of course, heroic) tales of valor, i.e. saving a family from a burning car & single handedly foiling an armed bank robbery. They agree with him politically, so all else is simply ignored. it really is THAT simple, and that pathetic. The only good news is that the majority of his cult has fled, presumably in search of a new guru. The bad news is that some new members have joined his cult. He's a good spin master, but hopefully the newer moonies will soon see Charlie as the liar he really is. Even talented con men can't spin endlessly, or hide from their failed records forever.

Anonymous said...

What ever happened to Bishop Yong Duk? Do you think he was a real Bishop?

Fred Keyes said...

I think we can at least be thankful (so far) that Charlie, with his core nutters firmly in tow, is not a Jim Jones. Charlie's hold on the nutters is that strong; they would, lemming-like, follow him over a cliff if asked.

For the Catholic believer, politics is an instrument useful in establishing God's Kingdom on earth. I fear that for Charlie and the Nutters it's the other way around: Their religion is an instrument useful for establishing their alt-right false god.

Jackisback said...

Hey Fred. I think you are correct regarding CJ's approach to religion and politics.

But indulge me in a thought experiment, if you care to. Can reconcile these two quotes?

1. The Kingdom of God is at hand.

2. My Kingdom is not of this world.

Best, Jack

Anonymous said...

Great article on How to Tell the Differences Between a Prophet and a Crank in Christianity Today. It nails Charlie, for sure!

The biblical prophets were a curious bunch of confrontational outsiders, fiery eccentrics, and hairy lefties, and their oracles of judgment and eschatology are much harder to understand than the logical, linear letters we prefer reading. But at least they are in the Bible. Not so with modern “prophets,” who are either political activists in disguise, perpetual protesters overdosed on Amos, or maverick charismatics who make outlandish claims and even more outlandish salaries. Prophecy, it seems, has fallen on hard times.

I am thankful he is no longer going around the country stirring up poor misguided souls and milking any meeting with well-known Catholics for every bit of reflected glory he can get.

Jackisback said...

Anon at 11:02 AM,

Thanks for the link to the Wilson article. I love the sub-heading/cartoon with a person's hand holding up a sign: "The End is Near"

Remember all the verbiage CJ devoted to the concept that we were already in the midst of Armageddon (defined as the last battle between good and evil before the Day of Judgment). As Fred and I have talked about before, there have been so many, many battles between good and evil throughout the almost 2,000 years since the death of the Christ, with some of them very clearly more ferocious in terms of loss of life (as just one metric).

The claim of Armageddon, in the here & now, just never made sense. You don't need a degree in statistics to feel confident in the opposite claim: the end is NOT nigh! In other words, it is more likely than not that this current "battle" between good and evil will not be the last one before the Day of Judgment. It is more likely than not that there are many more battles to come before the end. I have confidence in this latter assertion, based upon just a quick glance at history. And when CJ made the claim, that "it's different this time," the burden of proof rested (and still rests) upon him. As we can all determine with our own senses, CJ has never met that burden of proof.

Why do some still cling to CJ's every word? Is it a warped kind of FOMO (fear of missing out)?


L Spinelli said...

Oh, Anon, he's still going around the country. He was in Texas stumping for Ted Cruz recently. He was also at Michael Voris' rally in Baltimore. (Not only that, he managed to get one of his blogs reposted at Church Militant online!)

He still has a network of nutters around the US - regional coordinators who organize his wandering around the country. Is this weird or is it me? It's been close to TWO years now since the Presidential Prophecy bombed, and not only did he not fade into history, he's still trying to influence Catholics?

Did people conveniently forget his bizarre claims from TNRS and the Birmingham Dinner? Did they also forget his close to 20 failed prophecies? Why don't people remember this stuff when he takes off for "work"?

Well, as I said before, these people agree with his politics, and not only that, he claims that going "all in" for Trump and the Republicans is "courageous". That's a play on the belief that Christians are perennial outsiders. He has this so deeply imbedded in the minds of the nutters that nothing will get them, at this point, to break away from him.

Fred Keyes said...

Hi Jack,

Happy New Year!

Sorry for the delayed response. I don't get back here very often.

The answer to your question about the Kingdom of God seems to me to be straightforward.

That the "Kingdom of God is at hand" doesn't mean that it is "of this world" or ever will be. It refers rather to the "new heaven and new earth" that John writes about in Revelation. *That's* the Kingdom that's "at hand." It's a good theme to meditate on when saying the third Luminous Mystery of the rosary.

Consider this as well, from Luke 17:20-21:
Asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he said in reply, “The coming of the kingdom of God cannot be observed, and no one will announce, ‘Look, here it is,’ or, ‘There it is.’ For behold, the kingdom of God is among you.” [Sometimes this is translated as "the Kingdom of God is within you."]

Clearly then, IMO, the kingdom isn't of this world. Jesus was speaking about an entirely different—a spiritual—reality. It is a gift we receive at baptism, to be cherished until we receive its promise fully in the afterlife.

Charlie and the nutters though try to scare the bejesus out of everybody by contradicting Christ's words and announcing something Jesus said no one would do. He manages to turn the truth about the Kingdom of God into something more political and earthly.

May we all have a good Advent season preparing for the Kingdom!


Still Bemused said...

Latest angelic message from Charlie Johnston:

When I was a much younger man, I often complained that my life was like being forced to watch a developing train wreck in slow motion without being able to stop it. Both those who drove and those who merely rode would be broken. It was agonizing torture. I would ask bitterly why I was shown anything at all if I could not stop it. My angel finally, after years of frustration and tears, told me there was something I could do: I could prepare the ambulances.

Back in 2015/2016 the angels were telling Charlie about the Regent, Menses, WWIII with China, total worldwide economic collapse, and folks being rounded up into FEMA camps. But today he tells us the angels want him to prepare the ambulances.

Anonymous said...

Why? Why is this snake oil salesman being given any credence at all? I don't get it. It's way beyond absurd. It really is. The fact that his record of total prophetic failures is completely ignored speaks volumes about his cult. It's true; they concur with him politically, and nothing else matters. His fabricated past (Charlie saved a family from a burning car & single handedly foiled an armed bank robbery) is forgiven. Charlie remains unapologetic. Unbelievable.

Anonymous said...

I have endeavored to be God’s good servant. I will continue to do so in obedient submission to Holy Mother Church. But now, chastened, like Job, I put my hand over my mouth…

Acknowledge God, take the next right step, and be a sign of hope to those around you. That is the sure and ordinary path to kinship with God, to peace and to joy, whatever happens. CJ

OK Charlie, put a sock in it and go away! His cult continues to fuel his huge ego and ongoing delusions. As soon as things appear to wane a bit, Charlie throws in a sprinkling of prophecy, to keep his cult energized. Hardly original, but effective enough to keep his moonies in tow. Again, Charlie, man up & shut up!

Anonymous said...

Merry "Last Good Christmas" to all who visit here, for the fifth year in a row...

L Spinelli said...

Folks, remember "Whatcha Gonna Do When They Come For You?" One of the cornerstones of Charlie's "ministry", another one being "God's Plan" (which of course never came to pass)?

If you do, then read the following article. It says that the hysteria about Jade Helm was a false flag planted by the Russians!

How about that? The same guy who bragged about getting his opinions from source documents bought a fake news story outright and sold it to his frightened and gullible readers.

Merry Christmas!

Anonymous said...

Here we go again...From his latest post:

I told you on the old website – and on this one as well – that we were headed for a “global civil war fought on cultural lines.” I was saying the same thing a quarter of a century ago to my Priests – and in my private writings to them. I told you that this would be the worst crisis in the history of civilization.

And then he adds:

I made a couple of flubs along the way, but I told you true on the fundamental heart of the matter – and even the harshest of my old critics would have a very hard time explaining why we are not already in a global civil war fought on cultural lines.

What about all the FAILED prophecies? He now dismisses the as flubs?

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston still insists HE and HIS FOLLOWERS will inherit the earth, and take leadership positions shortly. Their enemies will flock to them, his faithful, for help! Charlie has equipped them to become LEADERS! And JUDGES, who will SHAKE THE DUST OFF their feet when CRITICS don't pay attention to them.


When the darkness comes fully, the people who will be most distressed will be those who have done the most to summon it. Those who now think themselves masters of the universe have no clue how to survive without services – and servants – at their beck and call. The time will come when they will be baffled and in terror of what they have called down upon all of us – and they will come to you for help and succor because, even though you, too, are in need, you will be in better shape than they are. Will your resentments – and your own needs – prevent you from ministering to them? How will you bring them back to the path of faith if you behave as these heathens among us do, with resentment, malice, and low cunning? I do not say to let them govern your assemblies; they have shown they cannot safely be entrusted with authority. Rather, treat them with charity as the supplicants that, soon enough, they will become. Show them a better way – the way of faith, family and freedom. Treat them as brothers if they can accept it. If they spurn your help even then, then shake the dust off your feet in witness against them – but not until you have offered the better way. These things you must do when you, yourself, are in need and in fear.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

World War III with China - FLUB
Regent will rule the USA - FLUB
Barack Obama will not finish his term - FLUB
USA presidential election cancelled - FLUB
Worldwide economic collapse - FLUB
Money is worthless - FLUB
The fall of political Islam and conversion of Muslims - FLUB
Tanks rolling down the streets - FLUB
People being herded into FEMA camps - FLUB
The rise of Menses - FLUB
Rescue by Our Lady in 2017 - FLUB

Flub me once shame on you, flub me twice shame on me.

Anonymous said...

Did the other worldly beings who were communicating with Charlie Johnston for decades deliberately give him all these false flubs? Why would a heavenly angel do such a thing? Maybe Charlie’s visitors were just in his imagination? Maybe these other worldly beings were REAL and gave Charlie good information however despite 50 years of angelic training, and working with 3 spiritual directors, Charlie completely misunderstood what they were trying to convey, and in turn communicated false information to his followers? Can anyone point to a TRUE seer who got everything wrong? And now Charlie and his followers are going to shake the dust off their feet when people don’t believe him? What am I missing here?

Anonymous said...

In the latest TNRS post, there's an interesting exchange:

From Joe:
Charlie, I have been wondering throughout the last 2 years how you can still, on multiple occasions, mention “The Storm” in the same vien as the old site, yet the credibility of the visions/visitations are shot?

Charlie Johnston's response:

I can certainly understand how you feel that way, Joe, but I do NOT believe for a moment that the credibility of the visions is shot. I misinterpreted details on two occasions – and took full responsibility for it. But pray tell me who has been more accurate over this last decade in speaking of the trajectory of these times? In my old political days, I was occasionally wrong in my assessments of what hard data meant – yet my services remained in much demand because I was so solid on the overall sweep. When I deal with much greater more difficult things, I dealt with even more care, but still managed to get two interpretations wrong...and with that and getting just about all else right in a way that no one else, you say my credibility is shot. I do not concur.

So according to Charlie Johnston, his visions are still credible. He simply misinterpreted "details" on two occasions.

L Spinelli said...

Yes, Anon, all his (failed) claims from TNRS, the Birmingham Dinner, and the around 20 failed prophecies mean nothing now.

Internally, I believe I have a job to do and am intent on doing it in submission to God and obedience to my lawful superiors: to defend the faith, hearten the faithful, and defend the faithful. My occasional errors will never stop me from living that commission, nor from acknowledging authentic errors when I make them. Nothing about that has changed. Again, I certainly respect your position, but I will continue to speak as I always have.

Do I say I am sent for these times? Absolutely. I know it is troubling to many who expected a perfect king or prophet and instead got a screw-up like themselves whose notable feature is his persistence, whether in sunny or stormy weather.

I don't even know how anyone can reason with someone who is this delusional about his role in the world, yet so puffed up about his "exemplary" skills and record at the same time. It's a losing battle that only his Archdiocese can put an end to. (How absurd is it that this mess is still lurching on into 2019? Happy New Year!)

L Spinelli said...

"I have told you true" is dismissed as a flub.

charliej373 says:

April 23, 2016 at 11:38 pm

For what it’s worth, I did say and maintain that I have been told that Obama would not finish his full term, but would live to fully convert long after he had left office. That is by revelation and is a specific thing I must be judged on.

August 28, 2016

If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history. I appeal to you to quit trying to flatter yourself that you have figured out how God is going to accomplish this, for that way leads to destruction. Trust Him and follow Him whatever happens. I have told you true.

He now dismisses this so he can keep going, just like a deranged Energizer bunny. Unbelievable, b t no shock to us who were following this story for the past four years.

Jackisback said...

Above is a link to a book that CJ ought to read.

Poor CJ, he picked lemons, for prophecies/locutions, in a grove where he thought only oranges grew.

Consider a metaphor for CJ: walking through a large grove of citrus trees which are randomly populated with both orange trees and lemon trees, and he picks several dozen pieces of fruit, claiming that they're all beautiful oranges, except that CJ is also color blind. He offers you all of fruit in his baskets, the "oranges," tells you he was told by an angel of God to pick exactly those particular pieces of fruit, and that same angel told him to tell you that you must choose them all, in the belief that they are all oranges, or you will perish. When you object, and proceed to point out that half of the fruit in the baskets are actually lemons, he rebukes you for failing to remember that it was him who told you (for the last 20 years) that the leaves on all the trees are green in color, and he's been "right" on that "grand sweep of things."

Poor CJ.

L Spinelli said...

Charlie twists the Bible to suit his purposes. He's in rare form this New Year's Eve.

(Speaking of which, I really thought this discussion would cease shortly after the Rescue failed - and I still don't buy the reinterpretation. Charlie's chutzpah is going into 2019 and beyond. How special. /s)

When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him.” (Deu. 18:22)

December 31, 2018 at 12:24 pm

Ah, how I am amused by the amateur theologians that sometimes drop by here. Notice the text does not say when “someone who purports to be a prophet,” it says when a prophet speaks such – and then tells you you need not fear that prophecy. Thus, this verse anticipates that authentic prophets will err.

If you were to seriously examine and discuss the issue, you would also take into account how often prophets mis-interpret what they are authentically shown. If you were very serious, you might do a serious timeline in the Old Testament and discover how many times the actual prophets there were off on their timing by anywhere from three to 40 years. Then you would have to reconcile it with this verse. But that would require seriousness of purpose and humility, rather than just bumper-sticker style gotcha stuff.

I speak not to those who are invincibly blind to the times, but those who see them clearly and want help navigating these crises. You keep on keeping on as you will, I will do the same, and we will see who is justified in the Lord’s own time, won’t we? I pray that ultimately it will be both of us.

Jackisback said...

Too many logical fallacies to count...

But the funny part is that he doesn't see his own irony - heaping presumption on top of presumption on top of presumption.

So there's that.

And I won't even go into the the timing thing, where his most weighty "locutions" were 100% time specific in their nature, to the point where CJ repeated more than once how "he was told" that the timing - by the end of 2017 - was to be communicated to his fawning audience, "specifically."

$64 question: how many moments of "presumptuous" speech (and in CJ's case, consecutive moments of presumptuous speech) does it take before a person, who also happens to engage in a constant stream of gaslighting ad nauseam, is considered a false prophet?

Anonymous said...

Beckita can out-Charlie Charlie with her rationalizations. I pity any poor priest who has to deal with her in a parish. Her response to Charlie's attack on Joe:

We have so many promises from Heaven that this storm will conclude in great joy, HTTP! When I found my way to TNRS, it was at the request of a priest friend who wanted to know what I thought of it. In reading Charlie from the get-go, I saw and experienced some consistent things.

1. I heard a re-echoing of many of the messages from Heaven with which I was familiar. And this from a man who obediently followed the wise counsel of his spiritual directors to NOT read other messages.

2. As Charlie carefully prepared us for various possibilities that might emerge, he was ever tamping down the sensational attitude, cautioning us to trust God rather than hyper-focus on details and what exactly would unfold.

3. What I also noticed, immediately, after finding my way here is that Charlie was not and remains not a typical message bearer who simply conveys what God wishes to say to His people by means of a heavenly visitor. No. Charlie is living his mission of leading via walking alongside us, defending the faith and heartening the faithful just as he was commissioned to do. He fosters discussion knowing that this builds up the mental toughness needed for the days upon us as we consider themes and possibilities and real life problems. How *many* times he’s acknowledged that the discussions refine his own thinking.

4. He did, indeed, tell us that during his many years of training he had been incorrect on some interpretations of what his angel had said and was, therefore, corrected many a time by St, Gabriel. Further, he (CJ) forewarned us that he had been told he would be wrong on some major things. In November of 2016, he wrote: “Sometime in the next year, I will be significantly wrong about something…When it comes, it will not be a test of me, for I already know that God is good and seeks our reclamation. It will be a test for some of you, to see whether you have put your faith in me or your faith in God. If it is in me, your faith was always ill-placed. God is good, all the time, whatever the circumstances – and works to call us all back to Him. When I am wrong, I will accept the correction with gratitude and more wisdom. I will not leave the scene unless it is one of the fundamentals, and then, in full obedience to Holy Church, I will wait on the Lord, knowing that He will strengthen my heart and that it serves His purpose to call all His children back to Him...”

Anonymous said...

More mush from Beckita:

..."In that same piece, A Reality Check, Charlie also wrote: “My angel rarely congratulates me for being right. Rather, if I am in serious error, he rebukes and corrects me. Many of the greatest saints have been deceived by the devil for a time. I have no illusion that I am exempt from that. So what if I was deceived for a time and my angel, for whatever reason, did not correct me? Do you think that would be so God could abandon or destroy you? Of course not! Everything that God allows is for our good and our reclamation. I know that, I have no doubt at all of it.”

My Goodness! It is so clear to me that – in observing how Charlie has conducted himself through the difficult times – we are being trained and/or reminded about how to respond in those moments when each of us gets it wrong too. We have; we do; we forever will err because we’re made of dust. I cannot even wrap my head around how much courage it must have taken for Charlie to entrust the care and sustaining of TNRS blog to others in a time when he was flogged to the max for faithfully manning his post to the best of his ability. (Wee edit, he was flogged for the perceptions people had even as his goal was to be faithful to manning his post.) And like a mother hen, his greatest concern was for our welfare as evidenced in this excerpt from the piece which I quote:
“But I worry that some who were shaken put their faith in God because of their confidence in me, rather than recognizing me for what I am – a cheerleader for the mighty God. Jesus’ followers thought He was going to re-establish a temporal kingdom through military might and political skill. Imagine how despondent they must have been when He was executed. Many thought all was lost. They found, as we always do, that God’s plan is both far different and far greater than any of us can imagine. Imagine then, their joy at the Ascension, when they had to have contemplated that what they had thought was the end was actually the beginning. We must ever wait, watch and trust, even as we humbly do the very little right in front of us that we can with absolute fidelity.”

And how many times have we heard and reiterated that we’re simply looking Through a Glass Darkly and rightly so. No mystic or prophet on earth knows exactly what is going to transpire. Even in what we’ve been given as glimpses of possibilities, we know not what has been mitigated, even as we press on in prayer, fasting, sacrificing and doing good for the sake of Love and reaping a great harvest of souls. God deserves our humble waiting – even if we do become impatient in our humanity. He deserves our complete trust. (Why do we torture ourselves with worry?) He deserves our very best efforts and, through His Mother, the most wonderful conclusion of this Storm awaits us: the complete Triumph of her Immaculate Heart!"

Jackisback said...

In the old Looney Tunes episode "Baseball Bugs" there is a scene where Bugs Bunny pitches a baseball and it is hit by one of the "gashouse gorillas" who proceeds to round the bases, only to find Bugs Bunny waiting for him just in front of home plate with the baseball in hand. Bugs Bunny stiff-arms the player with the baseball, knocking him senseless onto the ground. The umpire shouts "you're out!" As the player lays on the ground looking dizzy, Bugs Bunny holds up a sign that reads "Was this trip really necessary?"

Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to defend CJ ought to keep the above object lesson in mind. Why should any so-called prophet be praised for "tamping down the sensational attitude" when said so-called prophet was singularly responsible for creating a great number of sensational predictions (some of which were claimed to be locutions from heaven, some of which were "musings" of CJ's)?

Gaslighting is gaslighting, and isn't praisworthy; it's cruel to those who were duped by it, irrespective of whether the gaslighting behavior by CJ was purposeful or pathological.

Bottom line, this trip truly wasn't necessary at all.

Happy new year to those here who still maintain, or have regained, their common sense about this.

L Spinelli said...

Jack and all, I have a theory as to why Charlie was so testy on the last post. I could be completely off base. I think people were privately telling him to quit the scene throughout 2018, after the Rescue vision (because that's what it was, a vision given to without any interpretation, despite how many times he changed it) failed. He, meanwhile, is stubbornly clinging to his "purpose" and the loyalty of his core nutters. He's tired of hearing the obvious, so he lashed out.

Happy 2019 to all.

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston marches forward, unapologetic as always. A gifted snake oil salesman, as he's accurately been described on this site, Charlie often attempts to latch, or leach, onto legitimate or mainstream people & organizations. Legitimacy by association. Clever enough, however obvious. As has been correctly opined, Charlie's cult does NOT care about his past, failed professional careers; his numerous failed prophecies, nor his fabricated (of course, heroic) tales of valor, i.e. saving a family from a burning car & single handedly foiling an armed bank robbery. They agree with him politically, so all else is simply ignored. It really is THAT simple, and that pathetic. The only good news is that the majority of his cult has fled, presumably in search of a new guru. The bad news is that some new members have joined his cult. He's a good spin master, but hopefully the newer moonies will soon see Charlie as the liar he really is. Even talented con men can't spin endlessly, or hide from their failed records forever.

I must also wonder aloud why the Bishop won't simply end all this nonsence. CJ's core nutters are hopeless, but he may well, and has been, attracting new moonies to his cult. I can't explain this. Hasn't he hurt & misled enough poor souls? He'll never stop his ongoing delusions & spins, due to his vast ego. The Church must act definitively.

Fred Keyes said...

Anon @ 2:12, I'd say the bishop of Denver has a lot better things to do. The truth about Charlie is so obvious that he's not really a danger to anyone but the most gullible. Unfortunately the Church is facing a far more difficult challenge in the clergy sex abuse scandal. Nutters like Charlie are a dime a dozen; IMO, giving him any hierarchical attention at all would just add to his following...what you might call a "P.T. Barnum" effect.

Anonymous said...

Charlie is still trying to gin up a following. He went to a Baltimore rally when the US bishops were meeting about the abuse scandal. He ended up planting an article at the Church Militant site--yes, also sort of fringe, but with a big readership, more than Charlie himself ever had.

Now Desmond Birch, a respected Catholic author and EWTN commentator, has written for Charlie's "Sign of Hope" website and is engaging with Charlie's nutters in the comments. We'd all hoped Archbishop Aquila's negative rulings would end Charlie's run. But Charlie's like a rattlesnake: even with his head cut off, he can harm someone!

L Spinelli said...

Charlie on January 14, 2019: "I suspect it is going to be a very busy year for me and for all of us."

Wasn't he supposed to have "busy years" as far back as 2012?

Charlie and the Nutters fit the timeless definition of insanity - doing (or in his case, saying or "predicting") the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Anonymous said...

Just checking up on Charlie J in the new year. He wins an award for most un-self-aware person online. He's also peddling his prophecies again.

I read voraciously. I have, I think, a fine mind – but a clever mind not wedded to disciplined study and rigorous logic is just a megaphone for error. Couple that with a few dashes of vanity and you have the makings of a vicious, petty tyrant...

Let me tell you a snippet from my first great vision (a “great vision” is not necessarily more important than others: it is the term I use to describe the big visions that expound in some detail on what is happening and what is expected of me). It came in March of 1993 (in fact, this was the vision which I recounted in full to my first spiritual director at the instruction of my angel). The significant parts for consideration are that I was told that the spirit of antichrist had grown rampant in the world over the last century, that it was deceptively simple and seductive. It was simply this: the belief that good can be done without reference to God. It became institutionalized in a unique way with the Russian Revolution to become “good can ONLY be done without reference to God.” It was seductive because those taken in by it believe they are actually doing good – and every failure is used to inflame their vanity to double down on the error, while still believing they are doing good. I frequently comment that the belief that good can be done without reference to God is as absurd as the notion that thirst can be quenched without reference to water – and those who are determinedly trying to get us to quench our thirst with sand or sawdust are leading those who follow them to doom. I developed this formulation specifically from contemplation of that supernatural encounter.

From the very beginning of my consciousness of these things when I was a very little boy, two of the things that have been consistently emphasized were that this would be the greatest, most comprehensive crisis in the history of the world to this point but that, despite that, this is NOT the end. Had it been otherwise, I do not think I would have signed up. To help people through a great crisis is something worth sacrificing a lot for. To be color commentator for the Apocalypse is a role I would never have had any interest in.

This concludes Part II of the End of the Beginning. Part III, the final, will deal with what my mission actually is – and what it is not…and what your mission (should you choose to accept it) actually is and is not.

Jackisback said...

This is more of the same from CJ. What a monumental waste of time and energy.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Seer Johnston is at it again. Once a failed prophet, always a failed prophet. His cult must be losing moonies for good ole Charlie to return to angelic prophecies.

L Spinelli said...

Let's face the facts, people. Charlie isn't going anywhere. He's "all in" for the rest of his life, all failed prophecies forgotten about. He still has a very small (thank God for that) but rabid following. They put more faith in what Charlie says than in the Bishops or the Pope. Thank last year's scandals for that. Those scandals left plenty of room for a huckster like Charlie to come back even more forcefully than in 2014-2015. You can smell Satan all over this. What a tragedy all around, especially for those misguided souls who won't give up on Charlie.

Unknown said...

Right, L. Spinelli. Still a good thing that we keep up the truth-telling. Keeping souls away from the politics-soaked deceiver like Charlie is a good thing, IMO. An honest seeker may stumble on this site and start to see things differently than Charlie's nutters do.

Fred Keys said...

That was me by the way. :)

I hope you all are having a good Lent.

Anonymous said...

I wrote to Church Militant about Charlie, hopefully they won't have anything to do with him.

As for D. Birch I don't consider him to be relevant.

Fred Keyes said...

As DJT's days in the White House start to draw to an end, I can't help wondering whether Charlie will renew his calls for an armed million man march to D.C. to keep a "coup" from taking place. Trump at one point suggested such a thing referring to all the armed supporters he has.

Anonymous said...

Matthew 24:36 states: "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." John Paul II said in 2000 that we were in the 'springtime' of the church. Certainly many of us will see our end in this world long before the world ends. If we live our lives 'seeking first the Kingdom of God', we will fulfill our calling in this world. Why then waste time and energy diverted from what it is God is asking us to do? If this inspires you to live your calling, great! If not, fear not; focus on God's calling for you and the world will be bettered by your doing so.

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston is on another nationwide tour again, apparently, speaking in homes and at small venues in mostly small cities and towns. He's re-posting and repeating his old prophecies and hints he's still in touch with the Angel Gabriel. He also still insists he's in touch with high level people in politics and the church who avidly seek his advice (!) The nutters who post to his blog still believe in him, false promises notwithstanding. He's thrown JoCro under the bus, but Beckita, SteveBC, CrewDog are still around... He's likely to start in with new prophecies soon,seeing how he'll run out of old material.

Recovering Core Nutter said...

Seer Johnston is rehashing his old prophecies. I had to chuckle when I read this statement:

It may surprise some that most of my life I have rarely had much confidence that I was right on the matter of my predictions.

Give me a break...remember how this guy would excoriate anyone who dared question his prophecies back in 2015-2017. How times have changed.

Fred Keyes said...

It's good to see this thread dwindling away. But those of you who may indulge from time to time, look at this Youtube video and note the similarities between it (Qanon) and the CJ methods and techniques.

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