The Presidential prophecy- An update on Charlie Johnston

A triumphant Trump inaugurated amidst some bold predictions
Update Jan 1, 2018: Concerning Mr. Johnston's alleged prophecies and private revelations, from early on this writer often commented that time and events (or lack of events) will clearly reveal whether Charlie's prophecies are authentic, or not.  In other words, time will tell. 

Well, as of today (January 1, 2018) time has clearly revealed that Mr. Johnston's numerous prophecies have ALL been shown to be completely false, most notably his predictions concerning the Presidential election, the great worldwide "Storm" which he foretold would bring global economic collapse and civil strife, toppling governments throughout the globe, war with political Islam resulting with the mass conversion of most Muslims, then a war with China, and generalized  global chaos resulting in 26 million dead, all culminating with the miraculous "Rescue" apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to all of humanity, all of which was prophesied by Charlie to occur by the end of 2017. 

In conclusion, since Charlie's prophecies have now all been shown to be completely false, he joins the list of recent failed visionaries whose stories have been highlighted on this site, such as "Locutions to the World" and "Maria Divine Mercy", and together they provide a strong cautionary warning for all of us in regards to purported visionaries and mystics of past and present, urging us to be very cautious and prudent in our discernment concerning such persons,  reaffirming the statement and warning of St Paul of the Cross, the founder of the Passionists and great mystic himself, who once stated that 9 out of 10 purported visionaries are false.  Perhaps this estimation from St Paul of the Cross is a bit high, but then again perhaps not.  -Glenn Dallaire
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UPDATE, January 20, 2017: 
With the successful inauguration of President Donald Trump comes the unfulfilled conclusion to both parts of the alleged angelic “Presidential prophecy” of Charlie Johnston, namely that Obama will not finish his term and the next leader will not come from the political system (ie.-not elected), as detailed in the article below. It was a bold two-part prophecy that has now ended in a double fail.

When one claims to be a prophet of God, one’s life and most especially one’s prophecies are automatically held for scrutiny before the court of public opinion. In this court of public opinion, the preponderance of the evidence is what often initially sways one’s opinion, yet there eventually comes to pass certain very important matters for discernment, such as key prophecies, which depending on their eventual turnout, will considerably authenticate, or invalidate, the purported mission and message of such persons.  And when one compares the alleged angelic ‘Presidential prophecy’ against today’s successful inauguration, the conclusions to be drawn are self-evident.  

With the above being said, one would strongly suspect that today’s inauguration, which by all appearances completely invalidates the first formal public prophecy of Charlie Johnston, will likely be one of these aforementioned key matters for discernment that will have a decisive impact in judging his purported prophetic mission and message for a good many people.  For if a prophet is judged by his prophecies as the saying goes, then today’s failure of the purported angelic ‘Presidential prophecy’,  as detailed in the article below,  will for many persons surely bring with it an unfavorable judgment in what concerns the prophetic mission of Charlie Johnston. 

For in his blog post "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
"...If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

And again, concerning today’s inauguration, for his part Charlie has also declared in his post entitled “Election day” on November 7th that:
 “…If, on January 20, Obama peacefully transfers power to either Trump or Clinton, I will declare myself unreliable and retire into silence.”  

With this pledge, one finds that today’s inauguration will bring with it not only the end of Obama’s term, but also the end of Charlie Johnston’s public blogging, speaking engagements, and future predictions, at least for a time, though the loss of credibility from today’s events will likely be permanent. 

And I say "for a time" simply because of Charlie's recent comments on his blog concerning the possibility of today's failure of his "Presidential prophecy", wherein he recently speaks about the possibility of being "recalled" by God into a silent, private period for some sort of remedial prophetic discernment re-training "for a time".

Nevertheless, for those who in good faith spread amongst their family, friends and coworkers Charlie's prediction concerning "Obama not finishing his term/next leader not coming from the political process", and who are now left feeling much like "the boy who cried wolf", one can only presume that any possible future prophetic predictions from Charlie will be given little or no credence, if not outright opposition by many who have followed his work and message, as is perhaps justifiably merited by today's developments. In the end, it is up to Archbishop Aquila of Denver to make any formal judgments concerning Charlie Johnston's private revelations.

As for this writer, I can say that while I have always been reluctant to highlight purported LIVING mystics and visionaries, I am even more so now after these recent events.

May God bless the United States of America, and all of humanity.
-Glenn Dallaire, January 20, 2017


Charlie Johnston during a recent FOCUS TV interview
The final days for the possible fulfillment of a purported Angelic prophecy 

By: Glenn Dallaire

Jan. 7, 2017 -Vigil of the Epiphany
Many readers of this website are familiar with the original article that I wrote back in January 2015 entitled  "Charlie Johnston -An alleged prophet with a critically important message for humanity".  In it I discussed at length Charlie's purported prophetic mission and message, along with a short biography of his life. And for the past two years it has been one of the most popular articles on this website.

Additionally, when the Archdiocese of Denver came out with a Statement in March 2016 concerning Mr. Johnston I published an article here discussing it.

The Presidential prophecy
In the past week, the comments beneath that original article have exploded (there are now currently a total of 770 comments), as has my email inbox, with most everyone commenting specifically on the angelic prophecy allegedly given to Charlie, which I have named "The Presidential prophecy":

"What I was told in the Spring of 2008 was that Barack Obama would win that year's election, that he would not finish his full term, and that the next stable national leader would not come from the political system."

The obvious reason for all of the recent attention to this specific alleged angelic prophecy is the upcoming scheduled Presidential Inauguration scheduled for this January 20th--just 2 weeks away from this writing. For his part, just yesterday Charlie published an article entitled "A Decisive Conundrum" which addresses this matter, in part.

This particular prophecy is the first of a series of alleged angelic prophesies concerning the world that are to occur mostly this year (2017). And since we are delving into this subject of alleged "Angelic" messages given to Charlie, it should be pointed out that the Angel whom has purportedly visited Charlie from childhood is the Archangel Gabriel, as was specifically revealed to Charlie during one of the "visitations". The other predictions that Charlie insists upon are highlighted in his article entitled "Go Forth". In it Charlie reveals eight worldwide events that are said to occur::

"I only have eight public prophecies that I insist on. Only the visible, miraculous Rescue by Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception in late 2017, is time sensitive. Five things must happen between now and the Rescue, but can happen at any time during that period. They are:

– The continued toppling of governments throughout the world, including that of the U.S. The toppling of a government does not mean the nation shall fall.

– The confrontation with and fall of political Islam.

– The mass conversion of most Muslims

– The confrontation between the Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China.

– The alliance between Russia and the U.S. to lead the Judeo-Christian world to endure the confrontation with China.

-Then, after the 5 things above comes the miraculous "Rescue" through the Immaculate Heart of Mary sometime in late 2017.

Then there are two prophecies that happen shortly after the Rescue. They are the unification of the faithful into one flock under one shepherd and the building and location of the Shrine of thanksgiving for the Rescue on Mount Meeker in Colorado.

Together these predicted events constitute for humanity what Charlie calls "The Storm"--a series of events which he states is already well underway. As of today (January 7, 2017), the most obvious observation concerning the prophesies above is that time is really running out for them to all happen before the miraculous Rescue in late 2017. Thus, from an intellectually reasoned perspective, it is probably readily apparent to many that such predictions are already a failure, given the time-frames involved for such things to occur in "real" time. But then, who really knows just yet? For God is not limited by our human constraints and He is always full of surprises.

It should be noted that the "Presidential prophecy" is NOT part of the eight public prophesies that Charlie insists upon. I don't know what bearing that may have, if any, in the upcoming days and weeks.

"God has appointed that this be a sign to you"
In his article "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
"If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

Of course for now the big question at this point is whether or not the purported angelic prophecy concerning Obama not finishing his term/next leader not coming from the election process will come to pass as foretold in the remaining two weeks before the scheduled Presidential inauguration on January 20th. And the obvious implication in the opinion of many people is that this prophecy is key in determining whether Charlie is truly an authentic prophet, or not. For as the saying goes "A prophet is judged by his prophecies", or as Scripture tells us:

"And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not fear him." (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

For his part, Charlie has stated numerous times that if this particular prophecy concerning Obama not finishing his term were to fail, with the presidency successfully transitioned to Donald Trump, that he will post one last post on his blog, then go away:
Charlie Johnston during a presentation in July 2016
charliej373 says:
"If there is a peaceful transition of power from Obama to Trump, I will go away. If there is not, be not afraid, God has a plan."

or again:
 charliej373 says:
December 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm
"Now, as I have said, if the inauguration goes on without incident, I will go away. "

or again:
charliej373 says:
"Certainly, if we have a normal inauguration a month from now, I will retire from the field, for that prophecy will have been objectively wrong. I take full responsibility for that. But it won’t change what you are called to do.

Noting that I do and will take responsibility, your standard would require you to dismiss St. Joan of Arc as a false prophet for the times she erred on saying how the battle would go – and many of the Old Testament prophets who were often off on their timing, sometimes by years. I do not say this to try to justify any error on my part. I strongly urge you to examine yourself and consider what God calls you to. But yep, a month from now if we have a normal inauguration, you can give me a big old thumbs down."

charliej373 says:
January 8, 2017 at 9:21 pm
"If the inauguration comes off, I will leave the public scene, because that is what it means to honorably take full responsibility. "

And so, even though this "Presidential prophecy" is not one of the eight public prophecies that Charlie insists upon, according to several statements he has made he does believe that if it fails to come to pass as foretold, this would be significant enough to merit and declare himself "unreliable" and "leaving the scene". Time will soon tell how things turn out. For his part, Charlie has "laid it on the line", so to speak. We need only wait, watch and pray. Events, or the lack thereof, will reveal the truth concerning Charlie's purported private revelations.

Given all of the recent interest in this particular prophecy as of late, along with the popularity of the original article here on this website concerning Charlie Johnston, I thought I would publish this new article so that those interested can comment on this matter freely and directly here. As always, all comments are published immediately on this website, without moderation. I only ask that commentators be charitable and considerate in their comments.

***UPDATE: FEBRUARY 16, 2017: Archdiocese of Denver: "Statement on false claim regarding Charlie Johnston’s messages"

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L Spinelli said...

Just a couple of thoughts after reading the latest screed:

Charlie calls people who warn uninformed and gullible Catholics about his nonsense trolls. In other words, anyone he can't gaslight is a troll. Good to know.

If you guys haven't already figured it out, the reason he gets away with doing these talks is because he's billed as a "Catholic lay evangelist". Deceptive advertising much?

Bemused said...

There seems to be a new understanding on what constitutes the "Rescue" at least as far as one of TNRS posters believes:

anna819 says:
November 25, 2017 at 7:34 pm

I have been following Charlie’s blog pretty much from the beginning and have been trying to figure out how the “Rescue” fits into the whole picture of Marian apparitions and holy scripture. What I do know is that there are to be the warnings followed by chastisements followed by a period of peace. With that in mind, I have been expecting the warnings and chastisements to take place prior to the big “Rescue” in late 2017. I don’t want to limit God, but it seems that we have run out of time for everything to be fulfilled by year’s end. That was not the case back in 2014 when I first began following Charlie’s blog. Back then I read Charlie’s posts with the thought that the secrets of Medjugorje and Garabandal would start happening at any moment. Then before I knew it 2014, 2015 and 2016 had passed without any of these events happening. For that reason, I was delighted when Charlie said: “I have come to think that the Rescue may well be the beginning of much of that rather than the culmination.” Truthfully, I was delighted and angry at the same time. Delighted because the puzzle pieces were coming together for me and angry that I have lived the last three years in constant stressful anticipation of impending catastrophes. Charlie was right when he said his timing was oftentimes off, but this time it wasn’t just his timing that was off but the actual order and intensity of events as most readers understood them. So instead of chastisements followed by the “Rescue” followed by a period of peace, it now seems that we may well be on the verge of an ongoing “Rescue” which is a potentially prolonged period of tribulation of biblical intensity followed by a period of peace.

Unknown said...

Jean The Squawk Nov 26 at 6.26

You conveniently left out the words that show my true take on the Rescue. Many others of your ilk have posted on MotC that TNRS does not tolerate anyone who doubts what they proclaim. To show this is simply not true this is what I said in the same series of comments.

"For me what will authenticate the Rescue will be the appearance of Mary to the whole world. As for the rest it is already well covered in the prophesies of Garabandal. If Mary, the Rescuer, is not seen by the whole world then I will discount Charlie’s prophesy. No spin will convince me otherwise in this event."

If Mary comes at the end of this year, 2017, I hope my soul will be in a fit state to welcome and appreciate her. If she does not appear I will simply await the events of Garabandal and get on with my life.

Nothing else needs to be said. I have nothing more to say to you.

Unknown said...

"My friends name is Charlie Johnston. His mandate is to proclaim an event that will happen at the end of 2017. He is NOT proclaiming a Rapture and definitely not the end of he world. He is proclaiming a rescue that will mark the start of a process of recovery for the human condition. This developing event, The Rescue, will take place under the command and care of a woman. Let me just tell you as it was given to Charlie.

He says that
1. towards the end of 2017 Our Lady will come and everybody will see her.
2. everyone will know that God is.
3. everyone will know that Jesus Christ is Lord.
4. everyone will know that Mary (Our Lady) is the mother of Jesus.
5. everyone will know that Jesus wants us back.

I am Catholic but none of this is Church approved. In fact since his last spectacular failure Charlie has stood in the shadow of a Diocesan caveat although he has not been condemned.

The appearance of Mary, Our Lady, begins the process of Rescue. As far as I am concerned, if that does not happen I will set aside the remaining 4 items as they are already covered by the prophesies of Garabandal and Akita in which I do believe whole heartedly. In the event of a non-appearance of Mary, in my mind, Charlie will join the ranks of failed, rather than false, prophets. I will still consider him to be my friend although I will not try to defend his failed prophesy. I will stand by him in the face of ad hominem attacks.

If Charlie's witness proves to be authentic and his prophesy reliable then you will know that it is time to sit up and take notice. Charlie's mantra is
1. Acknowledge God.
2. Take the next right step.
3. Be a sign of hope for others.
This is the process of Rescue.

Now we only have to wait and see. But at least we do not have to wait long."

This is part of a letter I wrote this week to a non Catholic/agnostic friend.

Anonymous said...

Bemused
This is the first part of Anna819's comment on TNRS
Reply

anna819 says:
November 25, 2017 at 7:34 pm

"I believe the process of “Rescue” is about to commence with the announcement and fulfillment of the first secret of Medjugorje by year’s end. Yes, the first secret seems to be one and the same thing as the “Rescue” described by Charlie. The following is what one of the visionaries said about the first secret. “It will be something that will give the world something to think about seriously, allow it to see that she was, indeed, here, to see and realize that there is a God, that He exists.” This is what Charlie has said about the “Rescue”. “Our Lord would send Our Lady to the whole world – and that all would know of her and would know that God IS – and that Jesus IS God.”

Jean - "The Hawk" aka Jean "The Squawk" said...

Joe Crazier:

I nearly died laughing when you called me "Jean The Squawk" - I'm still laughing.

I guess this is as good a time as any to address you as "Joe Crazier".

I didn't intend to not state the other part, but I'm glad you did and affirmed your position vis a vis "the rescue".

I'm glad you stated your position as I could not as I have been banned from TRNS although I do have another 2 avatars but I haven't been on the TRNS much and when I do comment it's "positive" stuff so as not to be banned. Charlie bans the IP address, which is completely useless where I am because my IP address is never routed from the same location, in fact he has cut out legitimate followers who have the same consistent IP address which explains his disappearance from the radar in my corner of the world.





Anonymous said...


This sums things up at this point:
CHARLIE JOHNSTON: TOTAL PROPHECY FAILURE = COMPLETELY FAILED PROPHET.

Still Bemused said...

One of the posters above states: "In the event of a non-appearance of Mary, in my mind, Charlie will join the ranks of failed, rather than false, prophets."

Does anyone know the difference is between a failed prophet versus a false prophet?

And assuming there is such a thing as a failed but not false prophet, why might God send us such prophets? To my mind such a prophet sows confusion. Can confusion be of God?

Perhaps the difference between a failed versus false prophet is as follows...

If I immediately recognize the predictions of a particular seer as questionable and I don't invest much mental or emotional energy in them, and those predictions do not come about, then I deem that seer to be false. However, if I believe in the predictions of a particular seer, tell my friends and family about those predictions, put my reputation on the line defending those predictions, and those predictions do not come about, then I deem that seer to be failed.

Unknown said...

Jean . the Squawk - AKA Bird-Brain
Glad I was able to give you a laugh

Unknown said...

In my mind a false prophet is one who has deliberately lied. A failed one has simply got it wrong

Unknown said...

I don't know the mind of God but maybe God allows some of his prophets to sometimes get it wrong (There are lists of them on google) to keep them humble and to make sure people trust in God and no one else.

Anonymous said...

Joe Crozier,

Charlie has been a FAILED PROPHET from the get-go. Michael Brown of Spirit Daily wrote Charlie gave him a prophecy that failed to come true, AND Charlie's spiritual director said some of the things Charlie predicted came true, some didn't. Way before he began his alleged pilgrimage-and Kevin O'Brien found "issues" with Charlie's claims about that walk-Charlie ALREADY KNEW HE DIDN'T GET THINGS CORRECT.

That didn't stop him from going online and telling people he got his information direct from God and the angels. THAT MAKES HIM A FALSE PROPHET. He already had proof he goofed, and so did anyone who paid close attention.

Last normal Christmas in 2015?
Menses?
Ten Million Man March?
26 million dead?
No presidential election?
No transition?
Coup?
Global war?
Fall of government?
FEMA camps?
That inane Song of Thanksgiving?
Walking-around money from prayer cards?
Doxxing followers?

Unknown said...

be nice anonymous - only four weeks to wait

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Joe Crazier:

We'll see who's the "Bird-Brain" in 4 weeks and someone will be eating Crow..zier.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Joe Crozier:

"I don't know the mind of God but maybe God allows some of his prophets to sometimes get it wrong".

I feel like we're going around in circles, if God allows prophets to get things wrong sometimes, this does not apply to Charlie - when has Charlie gotten ANYTHING right??????????????????????????????????

Refresh my "Bird-brain" as I await your reply.

Anonymous said...

Joe Crozier,

It was only four weeks last year before the election. Then only four weeks before the transition. Then Charlie realized he was wrong! But... he was back right quick with an unconvincing explanation. Tell me, Joe, why do the faithful need heartening only in nice places like Culver City and Mill Valley? Santa Fe? Why isn't Charlie out with those struggling, huh? Leading them, helping them, heartening them like a good Sherpa?

More of Charlie's nonsense (copying from a previous poster)

Charlie's angel told him federal agents kept tabs on him
Charlie said he rescued a family from a burning car outside a McDonald's
Charlie said he stopped a bank robbery in progress
Charlie said when he was a teen he ran an entire restaurant when nobody else showed up
Charlie said he drank poisonous water even after park rangers warned him, but it didn't hurt him
Charlie said highly placed officials attend his talks incognito

Unknown said...

hi bird brain - thanks for cheering me up this morning - what a laugh. Don't blow a gasket nonymouse.

Unknown said...

Just wait and see

Unknown said...

Just typing quickly between patients. Seriously all you angry birds, I hope that whatever happens we all find peace at the end of it. If Mary does appear to the world will you let go and stop your nonsense or will keep on to the bitter end ------yours? On you go - answer this question. Will you stop if Mary appears.

Jean - The Hawk said...

Joe please help my bird-brain I can not remember when Charlie got something right. Please enlighten my bird-brain. Or are you going to be a coward, I've read some of your stories and you sound like a straight forward person, so I don't understand why you hide behind your insults and not answer the question otherwise you're just a chicken [coward ]
























































ThisMortalCoil said...

This is what you get from watching Homeland and EWTN with picture in picture.

Unknown said...

I wonder - if Mother Mary appears to the world at the end of this year will that be enough for Glenn to shut down this thread (after the Charlie bashers have apologized to him.)

As I have repeatedly said I have no idea if Mary will come but I would love to see Her. I believe in the prophesies of Garabandal but if Charlie's prophesy does nothing to detract or distract from Garabandal I hope it comes true.

One of he things that makes me reluctant to discount Charlie's prophesy is knowing how devoted he is to Our Blessed Mother. He would never do or say anything to deliberately offend Her. He has told us that Mary will be with us. If someone set up my Mother like that without her permission I would be very angry. That is another reason why I refrain from rejecting Charlie. He knows that he will have to answer to Jesus for any deliberate offense against His mother.

Unknown said...

Squawk. squawk, squawk, squawk, squawk - hi bird brain. Even your tiny brain must see there is a difference between an insult and a wind up. What has been dome to Charlie here has not only been an insult but also an assault. You calling me Crazier is an insult. Crozier is my real name. AS for being a coward and hiding behind a false name - what is your real name. Pot and kettle. Pot and kettle.

Unknown said...

Jean the squawk/anonymous - quoting from your own previous posts? Getting desperate?

Unknown said...

Squawk - do your own homework - you have access to the media and TNRS and other Marian sites. I do not have time to waste on your trolling shenanigans. If you cannot see where Charlie has been right you are either blind, illiterate or obtuse. A coward is a man who sticks the boot in when the other man is down - like you and others do here. A coward is a man who is scared to be himself - like you do here. Kettle and pot again. Answer my question - will you back off if Mary the Mother of God appears? Will you apologize? Will you shut the thread down Glenn? Or will you stand before the throne of God in your defiance? More fool than knave? I doubt it. I am finished with his. Answer my questions.

Bemused said...

Joe, I don’t see where Charlie has been right either, and I’ve been following his blog for the past 2 years and met him on one of his tours two years ago. He made very specific predictions and has been wrong on each of them. And this business espoused by some that Charlie has been right “on the grand sweep of things” is not the fulfillment of a prophecy. Shouldn’t the failure of a prophecy, let alone the failure of all a seer’s prophecies, tell us something?

L Spinelli said...

If Mary appears, I won't post here again.

But I have no confidence in anything Charlie says. Why? January 20.

Since Charlie got the "sign from God to fortify you to trust Him during the most frightening year for the globe in history" wrong, I don't expect to see Mother Mary sometime in the next four weeks.

I also don't expect any of the fundamentals - remember those? Those which were ALL supposed to happen BEFORE the Rescue? The Regent? Jihad? War with China? Allying with Russia? - to be fulfilled. Time has run out.

Not to mention Charlie's run his opponents out of town tactics like threats of lawsuits, intimidation and doxxing. Since when do the Saints do things like that? There was never a convincing answer posted in the almost 11 months since this article went up.

Remember what Archbishop Aquila said in March 2016: put your confidence in Jesus, Mass and the Scriptures. That's what I chose, not listening to Charlie. He adds nothing to the Faith that wasn't already there.

One more time. Why do we need him?

L Spinelli said...

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but every single prophecy or prediction he made during the "Birmingham Dinner" in the summer of 2015 failed.

These quotes are taken directly from the transcript of that dinner. The video no longer exists:

Yes, civilization collapses, the world economy collapses, global civil war, all the infrastructure is taken out for a while; this will not be forever; governments will topple. Governments have already started to topple.

I do not expect there to be a next presidential election. Politics is a dead man walking. We’ve got some other things coming. Now, I do not say there will never be another presidential election but I don’t expect there to be one. This next one we’re going to skip over because we’ll be in the midst of crisis.

Q: So who will be our president? (This was about a year before he revealed the stuff about the Regent)

I’m not going to say. There is a new way. Everything is going to collapse. There will be about 3-6 months of utter chaos. Be steady. It’s why I’m emphasizing so much, being steady. Panic will be the biggest killer in the first couple of weeks. Please be steady. From that organically, there will arise another system that I’m not prepared to talk about right now.

President Obama will live to repent and convert but he will not finish out his term.

Q: He will not finish out his term in 2016?

No. He will not. It’s all going to topple before then.

I do say President Obama while he will live for a good long time yet, live to convert, but will not finish his term. So on that you can write it down and say, “OK Charlie, you missed that one.” if I miss it.

Q: I find it very interesting when governments and things fall. In this country, what will be next when it comes to the government? Will we get back to the ways of the constitution?

I will not say anything at all about that, except to say that there will be three to six months of complete chaos. Then there will be a new system emerge based on genuine American values. (Far right values? Alt right values? Whose values??? - my note) It won’t be what you expect. I’ll just leave it at that. The good news is neither Hillary nor Bernie Sanders is going to be our next president. (That's the only thing in all this he got right! - my note)

L Spinelli said...

Here's something Im putting up for fun: gender roles according to Charlie! (Remember, this is the same guy who said women from Hollywood would find good guys in flyover country at an NRA meeting...just after the deadliest gun massacre in this country and just before another massacre in Texas. The mind boggles.)

I speak often about how we’ve feminized everything. We need women to be womanly, womanly women and we need good Christian men to be manly men. I’m sure you know that Fr. M loves to hunt. He’s plainspoken. No nonsense. And he loves his God. These are the types of men that we need a lot more of. Men that want to protect their families. Men that want to protect women. Men that want to protect children and men that want to defend. We need to encourage more of those sort of men and we need to encourage women in the womanly virtues.

L Spinelli said...

Note to the above post: I have no issue with men protecting and defending their families. I'm just not a fan of that "macho man" stereotype he seems to be encouraging. Nor am I a fan of that "women should be submissive and smile sweetly" mindset that some very traditional Catholics push. I believe in be yourself, and use your God given talents.

Confused said...

So, Joe, L. Spinelli responded to your questions.

Are you going to respond to hers?

Anonymous said...

Charlie's angel told him federal agents kept tabs on him
Charlie said he rescued a family from a burning car outside a McDonald's
Charlie said he stopped a bank robbery in progress
Charlie said when he was a teen he ran an entire restaurant when nobody else showed up
Charlie said he drank poisonous water even after park rangers warned him, but it didn't hurt him
Charlie said highly placed officials attend his talks incognito.

.................yeah, right. All false, in addition to his so called walk across America, as documented by Kevin O'Brien.

Oh, BTW, all his prophecies have failed. He's also bee condemned by two separate Bishops, who actually forbade him from speaking on Church owned property. Why is Charlie still publicly speaking?

L Spinelli said...

@Anon above

He bills himself as a "Catholic lay evangelist". That's how.

Anonymous said...

Anon.@12:07,

More than two bishops warned against Charlie Johnston. Bishops in Billings, Bismark, Denver, New Orleans, Omaha did also, and there are probably more. My favorite warning is Omaha's, which if you read it with an unbiased eye makes Charlie Johnston sound like a nutcase. The archdiocese sent out this warning to all Catholics on its mailing list:

Alleged visionary Charlie Johnston is scheduled to speak Oct. 1 at Elkhorn High School

Mr. Johnston claims to have received visions and messages from the Blessed Mother, the Archangel Gabriel and other saints since he was a child. He is known to make public predictions about future events, issuing warnings of worldwide civil war, cancellation of the 2016 U.S. presidential election and a claim that President Barack Obama will not finish his second term. Last year, he also wrote a two-part series on his blog detailing instructions on how to respond if the U.S. government were to begin rounding up conservative Christians and other citizens into detention camps. According to Johnston, God has appointed him to guide Americans through this turmoil to a rescue that will come in late 2017, when the Immaculate Heart of Mary will visibly save the world.

Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions and messages have not been approved, sanctioned, or endorsed by the Church. The Catholic faithful in the Archdiocese of Omaha should approach his appearance with an appropriate level of caution and should continue to place their hope and security in Jesus Christ through the sacraments and the Scriptures.


On his visits page-since deleted-Charlie said the archdiocesan statement was almost libelous and said the writer obviously didn't speak "cannonese" (or understand church law). What a ridiculous poseur Charlie Johnston is.

Anonymous said...

It really does amaze me. Mr Johnston has been consistently, one hundred percent wrong, completely egocentric (red flag on that alone), and condemned by two separate Bishops. Every single so called prediction of his has failed. In less than five weeks, he'll once again to be shown to be a total fraud. Yet, he presses on - undaunted by his lack of a real record. He spins, makes excuses, and belittles anyone who disagrees with him.

I personally believe that he's being misled by a demon, who's attempting to scare Catholics, and to undermine belief in real miracles and real prophecies. Mrs. Beckie Hesse will spin, but even she will have nothing left, come new years day. His cult members will then mostly disappear, in search of a new 'leader'.

The scary part is not that anyone gives this fraud an audience, because cults will always attract needy folks, but that he actually received any attention at all from sites like Glen's and from 'Spirit Daily', both of which i respect. This is EXACTLY what he craves. He remains totally defiant. Arrogant, even.

At least come January 1, 2018, even the king of spin, good ole Charlie himself, won't be able to make any more excuses, or spin his way out of his lunacy and total lack of a record. We don't need him to remind us to show charity to others. Our Lord already so instructed us. Take the next right step, and drop this quack.

Anonymous said...

The archdiocese sent out this warning to all Catholics on its mailing list:

Alleged visionary Charlie Johnston is scheduled to speak Oct. 1 at Elkhorn High School

Mr. Johnston claims to have received visions and messages from the Blessed Mother, the Archangel Gabriel and other saints since he was a child. He is known to make public predictions about future events, issuing warnings of worldwide civil war, cancellation of the 2016 U.S. presidential election and a claim that President Barack Obama will not finish his second term. Last year, he also wrote a two-part series on his blog detailing instructions on how to respond if the U.S. government were to begin rounding up conservative Christians and other citizens into detention camps. According to Johnston, God has appointed him to guide Americans through this turmoil to a rescue that will come in late 2017, when the Immaculate Heart of Mary will visibly save the world.

Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions and messages have not been approved, sanctioned, or endorsed by the Church. The Catholic faithful in the Archdiocese of Omaha should approach his appearance with an appropriate level of caution and should continue to place their hope and security in Jesus Christ through the sacraments and the Scriptures.

Forgive me, this is great and I couldn't resist re posting it. What more needs to be said re. this fraud?

Unknown said...

anonymous - of course you could have resisted re posting it - you could even have indicated that it was old news by including a date.

Unknown said...

Anonymous
I see you are not even trying to comply with Glenn's wishes that you should at least identify yourself albeit with a false name. Come on - don't be scared - tell us your name - show us your face - you online sniper. Hiding and killing. I would not be in your shoes if Charlie is right. Do you think you will be able to repent never mind recant?

If someone cannot put their name or a face to their comments they should not be allowed online. That would eliminate much cyber bullying across the world. It would put you out of a job - I doubt you have a job other than character assassin. I would not touch you with a barge pole in any other employment consideration. But I might swing the pole in your direction Ha ha. Now you can accuse me of violent intent - at least it is not mindless violence.

As the end of the year is coming ever closer your comments have done nothing but increase my enthusiasm for Charlie's prophesy to come true. I would love to have more faith in that possibility but like everyone else who doubts I can but wait and stay alert as scripture tells us - keep the lamps full and the wicks trim in any event.

Thank you for the spiritual exercise of praying for my enemy. It makes me more fit. It's hard going sometimes but the best way to deal with the likes of you. Even better than a barge pole.

It is the relentless malice you display that betrays the real authorship of your comments.

In Garabandal Our Lady told the girls that many false apparitions would follow whose purpose would be to draw attention from her messages as given at Garabandal. We are also told that something specific will happen that will cause disbelief in Garababdal. We are told that undue delay in the coming of the Miracle will not be that cause. I suspect that something very similar to the events prophesied at Garabandal will counterfeit the real deal and put people on a back footing. This is my fear with regard to The Rescue and Medjugorje despite the devotion shown there. From what has been revealed it seems that he first secret and Charlie's Rescue are similar in content and timing.

We already know that the Warning and Miracle are in the same calendar year and that the Warning will happen in an even year and the Miracle in April of that year. 2018 is the earliest possible year but I feel too much must happen for that to be the case. If so we will have to wait until at least 2020 it seems. We have also been told not to speculate. Mea culpa but I like to think I am anticipating rather than speculating.

WE are told that a synod will be assembled shortly before the events of Garabandal - one is set for 2018 and one for 2019. wait and see.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to know how posting or re-posting a warning sent by an archdiocese to all the Catholics it could reach to protect them from false and misleading 'prophet' is malicious. If repeating the considered opinion of legitimate church authority, clearly made by an examination of original materials and published last year, is a bad thing, is "old news," or otherwise inoperative, then you do not accept church authority but dismiss it if you disagree with. That is not the way the Catholic faith works. The Omaha warning is an example of a Catholic archbishop acting like a shepherd. That is very different from acting like a sherpa, thank heaven.

Anonymous said...

Joe, Jean & Anonymous - you are disobeying our leader’s command ;
So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.

Think about it.

Unknown said...

Anonymous sniper the Omaha warning was directed at the Omaha flock not MOTC. You used it to apply new venom to your blade. Therein lies the malice. Unrelenting. Unforgiving. You could have put down your sword. You chose to use it and to cut. Omaha did not need repeating. "He does not break the crushed reed nor quench the flickering flame." The malice is in your motive as is evidenced from your own past posts. For you, denial is a river in Egypt.

Unknown said...

Who is this particular anonymous. I have no leader here. Your suggestion holds no weight especially as it is anonymous. I have responded to questions asked - without lack of charity. Keep your advice to yourself until you can show your face. St Paul says "Be angry but do not sin." I am angry. In defending Charlie from abuse I am not sinning. Only Glenn is responsible for the malice of the anons, jeans, jacks, kevins and freds allowed and even encouraged on MOTC. He made the rules, he can change them.

Jackisback said...

To Joe Crozier (at 12:03 AM),

Now here, I believe, is a chance to have an actual conversation, Joe, if you are genuinely interested in a conversation.

You said: One of he things that makes me reluctant to discount Charlie's prophesy is knowing how devoted he is to Our Blessed Mother. He would never do or say anything to deliberately offend Her. He has told us that Mary will be with us. If someone set up my Mother like that without her permission I would be very angry. That is another reason why I refrain from rejecting Charlie. He knows that he will have to answer to Jesus for any deliberate offense against His mother.

Your reasoning here is inductive - and I'm not implying that there is anything wrong with that.

But why doesn't that reasoning apply to how CJ's "angel" set up God the Father vis-a-vis the Presidential Locution?

I ask this because of the timeline. There are certain things CJ has said about his "visions" that are admissions against interest. In his 9/1/2014 post From the Father, CJ claims that prior to the year 2000, his "heavenly visitors" always communicated to him via language, and that, prior to July 5, 2013, they "continued to use language for the most important messages I am to convey."

CJ asserts in his post The Election...and Other Potential Triggers: What I was told in the Spring of 2008 was that Barack Obama would win that year’s election, that he would not finish his full term, and that the next stable national leader would not come from the political system. So, we know that if CJ received this very important locution in 2008, well in advance of July 5, 2013, allegedly from the angel Gabriel, that he received the information via language and not as any sort of instantaneous vision experience.

Also, let's agree to discard the ex-post-facto goal-post moving assertion about how angels use language "playfully" with layers of meaning, etc.

We know CJ considered this alleged locution as very important because he regarded it as definitive in the same fashion as the alleged Rescue locution. Again from The Election...and Other Potential Triggers: I have told you two things that are definitive: that after Barack Obama failed to finish his full term the next stable national leader would not come from the political system and that the Rescue will come late in 2017 after all have lost hope...I did NOT tell you about the fractured transfer of power coming so you would know the mind of God and confidently espouse details of His secret plan. I told you almost solely so that when it happens, whether in the way you expect or in a different way that matches the specific message I have conveyed, it will give you confidence that I have told you true concerning the Rescue.

Continued...

Jackisback said...

...continued from prior post

CJ asserts this same level of importance (as his “Rescue” locution) in is earlier post Through a Glass Darkly: The Rescue, late in 2017, is one of those things that is certain. I get nervous about it sometimes because I have frequently been wrong about times – but this is one of the incredibly rare occasion where I was told that, specifically, rather than the enigmatic “soon” or “now.” But I am constantly examining and re-examining those matters which are interpretation, for it pleases God to show me, too, how little I understand...I constantly go back to what I call “first things,” what I was told specifically or the larger, immutable principles that have been embedded in me, to re-examine my interpretations. I have often said there will be no presidential election this year. Actually, there are some narrow circumstances in which there could be, but the results would be irrelevant. What I was told was that President Obama would not finish his term and that our next stable national leader will not come from the election process.

Finally, from The Election...and Other Potential Triggers: "If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history." CJ invoked the name of God.

Joe, I respectfully ask, how can you be so concerned with CJ potentially offending the BVM vis-a-vis the "Rescue," but seemingly not concerned at all with CJ offending God the Father with the now obviously presumptuous Presidential locution? The expression of information in the Presidential locution was a moment of bearing false witness vis-a-vis God. Since CJ insisted that he received the information from the angel Gabriel, and we know it is impossible for Gabriel to so boldly bear false witness vis-a-vis a specific message from God, I question whether CJ actually received the information from an external source at all – making him a false prophet. Others query, if he did genuinely receive information from and external source, whether that source is demonic rather than of God – making him a "failed" prophet, perhaps. The distinction between these two possibilities is not significant, IMHO.

What is significant is this. It is not possible that the Presidential locution information actually did come from God, but CJ "failed" - that he simply "got it wrong" when listening to that which he claimed to be "told specifically." If you believe CJ would not purposely deceive, then you cannot believe that he was attempting deception when he described the Presidential locution as a thing he "was told specifically," when he denoted it as a "first thing," as distinguished from CJ's prior "interpretation" - that there would be "no election" in November 2016. CJ was clearly saying in Through a Glass Darkly that his earlier assertion that we would just "skip right over" the November Presidential election was his interpretation, rather than what he "was told specifically." That post was designed to set the record straight on what he "was told specifically." An ex post facto explanation, in May 2017, that what he "was told specifically" was in reality also an "interpretation" does not merit serious consideration. One can believe that CJ received a false locution from an external source and write it off with the notion that CJ did not lie when repeating the false information received. However, one cannot accept his after-the-fact explanation of "misinterpretation". That explanation cannot be true, and thus one can only conclude that he bore false witness when making that explanation in May 2017.

Unknown said...

"What is the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning?
This is because inductive reasoning starts with a conclusion and deductive reasoning starts with a premise. ... Therefore, inductive reasoning moves from specific instances into a generalized conclusion, while deductive reasoning moves from generalized principles that are known to be true to a true and specific conclusion.Dec 8, 2014"

I had to google it. Charlie does not have the benefit of google when he is told something. I am between patients but will come back to this

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

I don't know if anyone has facebooked Charlie, but he's on it, I found 2 things quite interesting 1) he never mentions his prophetic abilities, which is strange ( I haven't gone through his entire facebook - so something might be there ) and 2) he had neurosurgery around 2003, he's the link on FEB 22, 2012 @ 4:22 pm
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150575016018269&set=a.10150550657898269.376029.501693268&type=3&theater, now we talked about this before and some of Charlie's people denied he had brain damage, but if you link this page he talks about the damage that it did to him - it was quite severe, here's a snipet:
"I will put some info up on it tomorrow. It is St. Elizabeth Hospital in Belleville, IL. It is where my neurosurgery was done nine years ago. they lost and revived me on the table several times. I was at the chapel there for Ash Wednesday today." and this It was...very strange thing. On Good Friday of 2003 I was on the phone with my buddy, Steve McGlynn - the same Judge whose campaign for Appellate Court in 37 counties I am setting up right now. Suddenly I felt something terrible happen to me. I glanced at my watch and it was 9:03 a.m. Don't know why that stuck with me, but it did. There was no snap or tug or break...it was like some terrible poisonous cloud settled on me all at once and I knew something was badly wrong. I'm more likely to ignore a problem than see one when there is not. Before two weeks were out I was completely disabled. Because of predatory malpractice laws, it was almost three months later before I got my surgery - and the wait while all the extra unnecessary tests were done did a lot of extra damage to me. But I lived, I'm not paralyzed - and few folks who know me casually have any idea that I am in constant pain. I actually consider that my little Lenten gift - I always have a little penance I can offer for me and for others. Strange disability - almost invisible. It doesn't prevent me from doing much of anything, but I have to monitor fatigue levels very carefully or I can be out of it for a week. The strangest thing, I suppose, is that it is soothing to relive that particular journey - and to spend time back where it all happened. It was a terrible time - and one of great grace, as well.

Unknown said...

well squawk this represents a new low.

Unknown said...



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"....And to keep me from being too elated by the abundance of revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a Angel of Satan to beat me, to keep me from being too exalted."
-St Paul to the Corinthians [2 Corinthians 12:7]

I see that here on MOTC there is a good article about the saints being deceived by demons who could even appear as Jesus. If the saints can be deceived why not one of us much lesser mortals.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

It's public knowledge my friend, it's on his facebook page for all to see.
It's nothing to be ashamed of - Charlie made it public.
I actually have empathy for Charlie and can understand him a bit better.

Unknown said...

Jack
When I explain clinical findings to my patients I try to use plain English. I am careful to ensure that nothing of clinical significance is lost in the delivery. I am afraid you have lost me. I am not clear as to either the point you are trying to make Jack, or the logic by which you come to your conclusion. Rather than calling my language inductive I would simply call it the language of the heart.

Charlie was obviously so convinced he had the message right about the presidential election and so convinced that he was obliged to tell it as given, that he went straight ahead and delivered it. He was not trying to offend God. He was trying to obey God. Could be he was like an excited child who cannot wait to give his parents a present.

I must admit that I have sometimes been suspicious as to the identity of Gabriel. To my reading, in all this need for ongoing education and interpretation, he does not reflect the Gabriel of scripture who answered Mary's question "How can this be?" clearly and in everyday earthy language, language from which we can shy away even in these so called enlightened times. I do not recognize the archangel Gabriel in the opus operandi of Charlie's angel. Maybe that is down to my own spiritual myopia. As Charlie often says, most of the exchange between him and Gabriel is none of our business. It is private.

The Fathers of the Church referred to The Holy Spirit as The Seed of God. Gabriel told Mary that the Power of the Most High would overshadow her. When a husband ordinarily makes love he overshadows his wife. Gabriel told Mary that she would be filled with the Holy Spirit. When a husband fertilises his wife he fills her with his seed. Quite plainly, Gabriel was telling Mary that no man would fertilise her but that God would Father her Child. God the Father would breath the love of His life, Jesus, directly into Mary. In this way Jesus would be begotten not created. There was no need for interpretation.

Any married couple in those days would understand this language. After pondering and perhaps after visiting her cousin Elizabeth, Mary would come to understand it. The details and mystery of Incarnation however would be preserved as would the privacy of the Act. This was between God and Mary. I even fear speaking of it so unworthy am I to approach this sacred moment. But it is a moment of clarity as far as the message of the Archangel Gabriel is concerned. He told Mary that Jesus is the Son of God. And we "to whom the incarnation is made known by the message of an angel" share in this wondrous revelation.

Unknown said...

The point I am trying to make in telling this narrative is that the Gabriel of scripture does not fudge the issue. In my medical training, when coming to a clinical diagnosis, consideration of the more obvious and more common conditions will usually cover it. My only conclusion, in this light, can be that Charlie himself confused the issue.

Words and thoughts have many lives and come from many places. In some languages the pitch can change the meaning. In most languages tone and facial expressions can change meaning. Context and expectancy can influence understanding. Online meaning can be altered by case or punctuation. Who knows what confused Charlie. I have a little experience in discerning the demonic having assisted at exorcisms and have become sensitive to the presence of evil. To me there is nothing of this in the words of Charlie. There is neither evil intent not content unless you make it so. Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Continued

Why then is the concept that Charlie simply got it wrong so hard to accept? I suspect this difficulty finds its origin in the exorbitant malice that is directed by the regular Charlie bashers on this site. To admit to simple mistake would be to accord a certain innocence to Charlie when all they want to do is blame and condemn. This is really what is unacceptable to them, not that Charlie was wrong but the possibility that Charlie is a good guy.

Charlie loves God and he loves God's Mother. He would do nothing to deliberately offend them. You can take it or leave it but you will be held accountable for your choice - as I will.

Unknown said...

Squawk, make no mistake - in this arena I am your opponent. You sound like a teenager with an axe to grind. Just because you have legitimately obtained information about someone that does not justify an intent to harm with that information. You should be ashamed. Instead you are proud of your offense. How sad and how distasteful.

Jackisback said...

To Joe Crozier (at 12:02 AM),

You said:
I see that here on MOTC there is a good article about the saints being deceived by demons who could even appear as Jesus. If the saints can be deceived why not one of us much lesser mortals.


There it is, Joe. Demons can deceive, but God cannot lie. Remember that CJ's espoused model is Abraham who believed everything told to him because he knew God was speaking to him. CJ cannot know when or if God has ever spoken to him, because the first major locution, for which CJ went all-in was a lie.

Ergo, I take it that you are agreeable to being considered among those who believe Charlie did communicate with an actual external source, but that it was demonic in nature. CJ is on record saying that he knew he was not immune from this possibility, but he has most definitely not claimed that this is what happened with the Presidential locution.

No, instead he has lied by alleging a failure of interpretation of something he previously distinguished as something definitive, something he was "told specifically."

Now I ask you, would Abraham have done that?

Unknown said...

Firstly thank you Spinelli for your assurance that you will not post here again if Mary appears this year. You are the only one to give this assurance. The rest have ignored my question if Mary's appearance will put a stop to their offense. Its amazing how quickly things can change. I see N Korea has launched an ICBM capable of striking anywhere in the U.S.A. - God preserve America. I am far to busy to answer all the vitriole and trollling here.

and in reply to the other anonymous who said
"Ergo, I take it that you are agreeable to being considered among those who believe Charlie did communicate with an actual external source, but that it was demonic in nature. CJ is on record saying that he knew he was not immune from this possibility, but he has most definitely not claimed that this is what happened with the Presidential locution. "

NO I AM NOT AGREEABLE TO THIS. I would however consider the possibility that an evil spirit impersonated Charlie's angel for a time. In the article quoted above from MotC there is evidence of demons appearing as Jesus in order to deceive a saint. I have no idea if that kind of thing really happened to Charlie.

And definitely NO, I DO NOT AGREE THAT CHARLIE LIED. Pull your horns in.

Jackisback said...

To Joe Crozier (at 4:00 AM),

Referring to me as an "other anonymous" is bad form, Joe, when it shows my real name at the top - Jack Gallagher - I have never been anonymous on this site. Sometimes my name appears as a screen name "jackisback" and sometimes my real name, depending on which electronic device I am using.

Since it seems your emotional state hangs in the balance, let me assure you that not only will I stop blogging here if the BVM undeniably visibly appears before year end, I'll write a positive contribution/apology on the TNRS site, bearing witness to the appearance within 20 minutes time.

However, your reply doesn't make much sense. You would consider the possibility that an evil spirit impersonated Charlie's angel for a time? That's nice and neat, as it gives CJ a get-out-of-jail-free card on any locutions that later prove false, but preserves belief in all other alleged locutions regarding future events as worthy of belief. So what will be different, Joe, on 1/1/2018 (no visible "rescue") that will cause you to "discount" CJ? Why not just, once again, believe CJ's newly revised "reinterpretation" (which I would bet my annual salary is coming) of the "rescue" locution, once again attributing his original locution as a one-off communication with an evil spirit impersonating CJ's "angel?"

What's different about it? Why discount it? Why not stay all-in? Why divert back to Garabandal if CJ explains how he simply "badly misinterpreted" the "rescue" locution given to him by his "heavenly visitors?" Why won't that explanation be good enough for you? Is it just because the falseness of the locution involves Mary? Really?

Why should that matter to you whereas the falseness of the Presidential locution didn't phase you, when it involved God the Father?

Lastly, you don't agree CJ lied when claiming a misinterpretation of the Presidential locution? Sorry, but your disagreement isn't really relevant. CJ insisted to all what he was told. To later claim misinterpretation is to claim that CJ didn't actually hear and report the words he claimed to have heard and reported, but rather what was spoken to him was something different than what he reported. That's bearing false witness against himself, whether you agree or not.

We know this is so, in part, because CJ has not offered any details of how the locution that was told to him was actually different from what he reported. He has offered no explanation for what it was that he "misinterpreted." Why? Because he can't. Because there isn't anything different about what he was told in plain language and what he reported to us all. Remember Joe, CJ claimed he "told us true," that he was all-in, that "God had appointed" that this be a sign... To claim misinterpretation is a refusal to take responsibility for what he originally said. That is another thing that CJ promised God he would always do. But with the Presidential locution, not so much. It ia bearing false witness. It is a lie by definition, like it or not.

You are free of course to remain in denial of CJ's false witness against himself, but it is right there in black and white in his blog posts. He wrote the self-condemning words in May 2017. He cannot unwrite them.

Anonymous said...

Joe Crozier, well, with fraternal charity, you know what you can do with your barge pole. Gee, is that Christ like? Hmm. I am, in fact, an educator, who adamantly resents false prophets. Good ole Charlie demonizes anyone with whom he disagrees. And you're bending over backwards to defend this misleading fraud. People have lost tens of thousands of dollars, in preparation for the so called rescue. I see, Joe, you offer them nothing in compensation.

Mr. Johnson has been one hundred percent wrong to date, has been and totally slapped down by the Catholic magisterium. He reneged on his promise to disappear if he's shown to be false (and, in point of fact, he has never once been correct), and is still spinning, defended by mindless cult members, such as you, dear brother. The burden of proof rests with him and his cult. It is already totally debunked. He's got one month left before even devout moonies must pack it up, thankfully. But, not to worry, they'll latch onto another Rev. Moon soon enough. On e month is all he has left.

PS Dear readers, please note that Joe is already mentioning 2018 and 2020. You see, the moonies are already attempting to move the goal posts, in anticipation of yet another failure. This man is listening to a demon, who's goal is probably to discredit real Catholic prophecies and transcendental beliefs. Joe is simply the false prophet's, somewhat less than eloquent, spokesman. In a month, will Joe apologize? Nope; he'll spin and continue to defend his cult leader. Wait n see!

Anonymous said...


Joe Crozier quotes scripture, out of context - of course, yet ignores the Catholic magisterium, which has strictly forbidden Mr. Johnston from speaking on Church property, and strongly urged catholics to proceed with much caution. Think about that. That's the old heresy of Gnosticism, i.e. secret knowledge, via Charlie's 'angel'. Charlie is promoting Gosticism, and apologists, like Joe, appeal to our emotions to protect and promote him.

Joe can't appeal to the Bishops or to Catholic magisterium, because they've slapped Charlie down hard.

Joe can't appeal to Charlie's record, because it's one of complete failure and lies (Kevin O'Brien did a great job demonstrating how Charlie lied about his trek across America).

So, what does Joe do? He threatens and calls names, and, ultimately, appeals to our collective fear - based emotions. The burden of proof, dear reader, rests with Charlie and his cult, since they are making the ridiculous predictions. It is totally unmet thus far. Could I be more charitable? Maybe. But if I'm correct, and Charlie is being misled by a demon, it's our duty to protest and call this garbage what it is. GARBAGE. Joe mentions.......2018?.......2020? Umm, no Joe. The moonies have one month left. Any who remain subsequent to that date, deserves the deluded heretic they get, and whom you trip over your feet defending.



Take the next right step, dump this fraud.

Anonymous Jones said...

"I have a little experience in discerning the demonic having assisted at exorcisms and have become sensitive to the presence of evil..."

This scares the heck out of me, Joe. To be brutally honest, your words do not evidence the emotional maturity or sanctity of those who receive a call to duty to assist at an exorcism. If you've been involved in one of those Charismatic meeting exorcisms, you have been put in grave danger. It reminds me of men who served during war. The closer they were to the action, the less they talked about it. Your statement sounds like Charlie's humblebrag.

L Spinelli said...

Here's something to think about:

The time frame for the Rescue is LESS than four weeks. Why? Because Charlie claimed by Christmas 2017, just 26 days away, all his prophecies would be fulfilled, and we'd have a "joyous" Christmas after three filled with "deep and desperate strife." That didn't happen. The usual screwiness of the world did.


I'm in full agreement with everyone who said that Charlie was deceived by a demon, and possibly even "trained" by the same demon. It happened to Magdelina of the Cross. She was under the influence of a demon from age FIVE and fooled many people, even high ranking clergy, for years. It's not a stretch to deduce that close to the same thing happened to Charlie.

Anonymous said...

L Spinelli

EXCELLENT reminder. Please stop attacking good ole Charlie via facts. Sarcasm. Ultimately facts will debunk this heretic - and really soon!. And it IS the old heresy of Gnosticism, i.e. secret knowledge.

Anger...yep. Deep denial & spin.....yep. Constant moving of the goal posts....yep. Obsession....yep. Wrong objectively on (many) merits....yep. Demonic lies. QED.

Anonymous said...

Correction...objectively wrong on EVERY prediction. Every, not many.

N in candor, I have been praying for Johnston. I attack his public persona, false predictions and so called 'angel'. However, he invited strict scrutiny, which he can't long endure, by his propagated nonsense. He put it out there, and, therefore, bears the burden of proof - a burden he's missed totally. As stated, the moonies have a month left. But in that month, WW3 must erupt with China???? Really, folks?

Anonymous said...

Mr. Johnston predicted that a period of global tumult began in May 2009, and is called “the Great Storm”: Governments will fall, economies will collapse, and technological systems will dissolve. Nope.

A great global civil war will ensue, beginning in North Korea and driven by China. Russia will eventually unite with the United States and help us endure until a “Great Rescue” through the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Nope.

The conflict will begin with an Islamic jihad, but the real showdown will be with China. Nope to the latter part. As to Islamic jihad, read the papers.

Originally, Johnston prophesied that the Great Rescue would come in late 2017, followed by the unification of the faithful into one flock under one shepherd and the building of a Shrine of Thanksgiving on Mount Meeker in Colorado, where Johnston fabricated having concluded a cross-country pilgrimage in 2012. See Kevin O'Brien's blog.

All of this in less than one month? Cult leaders and false prophets come and go. The Catholic Church has spokem. ROMA LOQUITOR EST, CAUSE FINITA EST. The magisterium has spoken; ignore this quack.

Anonymous said...

Ive never posted here before. My name Francis. I do think that people both defending Charlie and those criticizing him could and probably should show more charity, but discussing his public predictions and reviewing his record are fair game.

We MUST listen our Catholic Magisterium. Putting aside the reality that all of these predictions have not panned out in the least, the Bishops are the successors to the Apostles and hold canonical jurisdiction. Obedience to Church authorities is a sign of a real prophet and of sanctity. Mr. Johnston has been unfavorably evaluated by two separate bishops. I could list, ad nauseum, the predictions that HAVE failed, or call Mr. Johnston names. I'll do neither. I'll pray for him. But, I WILL also obey Holy Mother Church. Charlie's public predictions and writings must be shunned.

Anonymous said...

About Charlie Johnston's possible/likely demonic influences, and the known bad fruits of his alleged ministry... defiance of church directives, demeaning those who doubt, refusing to take any responsibility for the bad effects of his predictions on others:

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act. -Bonhoeffer

This is why so many are here.

L Spinelli said...

@Francis

Beckita and the rest of Charlie's cult would benefit from what you said (shun Charlie's writings, shut down the blog), if they'd only listen.

This should have been all over 10 months ago, right after the implosion of the Presidential Prophecy. But no. Charlie seemed to comb the headlines, looking for a reason to justify his comeback. He clings to the people who arrange these unnecessary talks and seem to "need" him. It's rather pathetic.

If Charlie stuck to the pledge he made, I would have left this whole thing alone. Nope. He opened himself up to more criticism by continuing his "mission", all based on the flimsiest of justifications.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Spinelli;

It's Francis. I completely concur. This all should have ended in January, 2017. His continuing, alleged 'ministry', whatever that exactly is, does invite evaluation. And the fruits are a long record of failure. One of several things that do trouble me is the fact that his followers are undeterred by the Bishops' clear warnings, a long record of failure, and his own behavior. It does seem all ego - driven. If it really is all about our Church, Mr. Johnston, please back away and allow the Bishops to lead. Pray for us, and we'll pray for you. I for one hold no malice whatever towards you. But, no. In fact, just the opposite. Mr. Johnston does appear to defy our Bishops, and continues to arrogantly insert himself. That is contraindicative of a genuine prophet, and deeply troubling. As for the demonic influence, perhaps. In fact, more than just perhaps.

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Jean - "The Hawk" said...

The reason I bring up Charlie's neurosurgery is because of research conducted by Dr. Michael Persinger of Laurentian University in Sudbury, Canada. He is one, if not the top psychologist on the brain. Although an atheist, he has worked with the US Department of National Defense on testing that is top secret. He was featured on numerous magazines ( including Time in its heyday ) and mentioned that he can do things in Sudbury that he could not do elsewhere without intense scrutiny. The University has tried to get rid of him.
We used to bring kids for brain testing at his facility at the University. One kid that I knew confided in me that he was hearing voices in his head and he wanted to be checked out so he went voluntarily. The Dr. believes that there is a "God-part" of the brain where the production of religious euphoria and voices are located and that it can also be stimulated to produce these effects. Why is this relevant?
So let's get back to Charlie. He claims that he's heard voices since he was a child, did he tell anyone - we don't know. I believe he said he was afraid to tell. If I'm not mistaken he has had some other issues with his brain prior to the 2003 neurosurgery. When exactly did Charlie claim to have told people he was receiving messages? I looked on his facebook page and the last few years he intertwines religion, politics and his TRNS stuff. Before this time he is heavily into republican politics with a strong dose of religion, TNRS does not exist from what I can see. He does state in 2012 that 17 years ago, he first started writing "privately" about a coming storm.

More later.

Glenn Dallaire said...

Well, since I personally have been mentioned in a few comments as of late, I guess it is time for me to add my occasional .02 cents, for whatever it is worth.

Firstly, I see that the ongoing call to shutdown this thread have been renewed once again. Here is my take:
The role of this Mystics of the Church website is firstly to provide information about various purported Mystics, and likewise it is also a forum to discuss these various persons. As such, it goes without saying that in the discussions here there will be those in favor of such persons, and those against. And so I find the ongoing call to shutdown this discussion perplexing to say the least--for in this discussion concerning Charlie Johnston, what should one expect?? Everyone to be in agreement with Charlie?

The fact is that Charlie has chosen that his purported work and mission be public, therefore the discussion of this mission and work should also be public. If it is of God, then there is nothing to hide or fear. Yet apparently there are certain person(s) here who can't seem to tolerate opinions contrary to their own? Do such person(s) berate their local newspapers, asking them to shutdown when they print articles and comments contrary to their own opinions?
To be frank, I find the ongoing push to close this comment section and squelch any opposing viewpoints to be unsettling, to say the least.

Secondly, as to removing this particular comment thread "if Mary appears this year":
Well, believe me--if the Blessed Virgin Mary miraculously appears to all of humanity as Charlie has predicted, well then I will be posting new article(s) highlighting and discussing the miraculous event(s) here on this little website, just as all the large and much more significant websites (and all the major TV networks etc. for that matter!) would be doing everywhere throughout the world. I mean think about it---do you really think that if the Blessed Virgin Mary were to miraculously appear--as in some kind of visible miraculous "Rescue"--as predicted by Charlie, do you think anyone would care about this current discussion here in this little comment section beneath this relatively insignificant article on Charlie Johnston?

No, come such a miracle, this little comment section beneath this one article would all be completely insignificant--even much more so than it is now--and we here and all of the eyes of the world would be on the consideration and discussion of the miraculous event itself. I mean, who would even care about this little insignificant comment section at that point? To think that after such a miracle anyone would even care or concern themselves with this insignificant comment section is simply just ridiculous. At that point, if this little website got any attention after such a extraordinary miracle, then it would be on the article I would immediately publish (God willing) after such a remarkable event, for how I would LOVE to be able to write about such a extraordinary visit of our Blessed Mother!

Finally, the one question I have is this:
Come January 1st, 2018 if none of the prophecies are fulfilled, would the general consensus here be that the prophecies of Charlie Johnston could therefore be considered absolutely false?

-May God bless all who visit here.
Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

Joe, whether this place or any other, I think it should be fairly obvious what characters are occupying the space... namely, the same characters that you'll find in the Gospel. And all the characters seem to be present! Beware the yeast of the Pharisees, and I"m not talking about sincere folks discerning as they may. Take a long walk with me in silence and peace, if necessary, but stop getting provoked into a useless tit-for-tat with the handful of armchair analysts and spiritually childish here. Rise, and let's go.

Anonymous said...

Finally, the one question I have is this:
Come January 1st, 2018 if none of the prophecies are fulfilled, would the general consensus here be that the prophecies of Charlie Johnston could therefore be considered absolutely false?

Hi Glenn, this is Francis. Your post and your question are quite legitimate. Although I'd add that more charity needs to be demonstrated by pro Charlie & anti Charlie camps, your post is spot on and your question is fair. Charlie put himself in the public forum. His record is rightly subject to examination. Frankly, he deserves a lot of harsh observations. He's ignoring the Bishops, and that alone is troubling. Additionally, all his predictions have failed, and people have been gravely mislead. Granted, they should have been more prudent, but they're still victims of deception. Perhaps even demonic deception. His prophecies have already been proved false, as of Jan. 20, 2017. But, to answer your question, YES, ABSOLUTELY come Jan. 1, 2018,Charlie Johnson and his followers MUST be considered totally false and misled. No question.

Anonymous said...

This IS the heresy of Gnosticism, i.e. secret knowledge. DEMONIC DECEPTION. Doesn't the facts that Charlie is disregarding the Bishops' opinions and appears obsessed with this garbage, all of which have FAILED to come true, bother anyone?

Joseph J. said...

Yes. All of Charlie's writings over at his blog shows quite clearly that Jan 1 will mark a total failure of all his so called heavenly predictions.

Fred Keyes said...

Glenn and Francis....I agree 100% with your comments.

Would I stop posting if Mary appeared to us in an unprecedented apparition to the whole world? No, I would not.

Legitimate biblical prophecy is a subject much studied over the centuries by both Jewish and Christian scholars. Understanding this biblical genre, how and why they were written and their relationship to history requires serious study. I'm certainly not an expert, but you can get an idea of the complexities in an article like this one:

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/most/getwork.cfm?worknum=55

Or read Pius XII's encyclical "Divino afflante Spiritu."

I took an introductory course on the prophets at our diocesan Pastoral Center. The text we used is a wonderful introduction to the prophets--"Hear O heavens and Listen O Earth," by Joan E. Cook S.C.(The title is the opening line of the Book of Isaiah.)

It's hard for me to reconcile the elements of legitimate prophecy (or mystical events deemed "worthy of belief by the Church) with the whole CJ phenomenon. If Mary appears why would we stop studying what it might mean to us and discerning what relationship—if any—CJ had to it?

Would I believe such an apparition? Maybe, maybe not. Keep in mind, we are not required to believe in any private revelation. We have all the revelation we need to get to heaven. Moreover don't forget Jesus's own words to the Apostles: "Blessed are they who have not seen and yet believe."

Fred Keyes said...

In re: private revelation.

I have to wonder how an apparition to the whole world would be considered "private revelation." How would it be private if everyone on earth was privy to it?

And it can't be any other kind of revelation because we believe that all public revelation ended with the death of the last Apostle.

Anonymous said...

Fred,

That's a very interesting observation I hadn't considered. Revelation ended with the death of the last apostle. As Catholics we are not obligated to believe any miracles afterward, even the sun spinning at Fatima or the healing waters at Lourdes. So let's say the BVM appears, whether in the next 30 days or 30 years, are we as Catholics on the hook for believing it?

Fred Keyes said...

Anon @ 5:31, no clearly not.

But the sense I get from reading TNRS is that these supposed revelations are 'de fide,' as if bad things happening—even huge, earth-shaking events—are somehow a big surprise that require Our Lady to show up and save us. We need to keep the faith, keep hope alive and strong, and love our neighbor. That we "take the next right step" is a superficial and superfluous expression if our focus is on the theological virtues that were infused in us at baptism.

Jackisback said...

As for me, I could not imagine that, if I were to visibly witness what in my mind was, without doubt, the BVM appearing before Christmas, then I would bear witness to the truth of that. And, I would be man enough to admit in writing that CJ had prophesied it in advance. And like Thomas the apostle, I would confess my prior unbelief.

I would not expect any new revelation, and if one were offered, then I'd know it was a false vision. But a simple "calling us back" moment is possible, however unlikely. Our ancestors were witnesses to the One who was raised from the dead, and passed that information on to us. That is enough. We certainly have no need for a reaffirmation from the BVM, or any other apparition, of that fact.

God bless all here.

Fred Keyes said...

I would be looking for the kind of clarity that one should expect from a true heavenly message. I believe that when a message comes from God, directly or through an angel or saint, it has the kind of quality that leaves no doubt.

St. Ignatius's rules for discernment are very useful in this regard.

Anonymous said...

Mr Dallaire wrote, " Do such person(s) berate their local newspapers, asking them to shutdown when they print articles and comments contrary to their own opinions?"

No, of course not. But in such a discussion, the newspaper is obliged to simply comment on facts and issues, and not attack people themselves. Otherwise they are guilty of libel.
Many comments on this thread have attacked Charlie personally with nasty and uncharitable comments. That is not the type of discussion that should take place on a supposedly Catholic site. If the site owner does not moderate comments, then he is morally responsible for the sins of uncharitableness and false comments that are written here.

Anonymous said...

Aon.@8:56,

Since the guidelines on discerning apparitions issued by the Vatican place great emphasis on the character of the alleged visionary, it's not surprising Charlie Johnston's character comes under scrutiny in a Catholic discussion forum. How does he measure up?

A 2012 article from OSV online lists the actual criteria:

Signs of good fruits:

◗ “Moral certitude, or at least great probability of the existence of the fact, acquired by means of a serious investigation.” (Does the person claiming the revelation seem to be genuinely convinced that what he is asserting is true?)

◗ “Personal qualities of the subject or of the subjects (in particular, psychological equilibrium, honesty and rectitude of moral life, sincerity and habitual docility toward ecclesiastical authority, the capacity to return to a normal regimen of a life of faith, etc.).” (Does the alleged visionary give evidence of being a good, honest, mentally healthy and holy person?)

◗ “As regards revelation: true theological and spiritual doctrine and immune from error.” (Is the private revelation in accord with the public revelation given in the tradition of the Church? If not, the visionary could part the Red Sea and they could still be a dangerous false prophet.)

◗ “Healthy devotion and abundant and constant spiritual fruit (for example, spirit of prayer, conversion, testimonies of charity, etc.).” (Is the alleged private revelation sending people — including the visionary — back to the ordinary life and teaching of the Church, the sacraments, the corporal and spiritual works of mercy and the practice of virtue?)


Signs of bad fruits:

◗ “Manifest error concerning the fact.” (For instance, if a seer claims that God will make the sun dance on a certain day and it doesn’t happen, that’s a big clue the alleged apparition is false.)

◗ “Doctrinal errors attributed to God himself, or to the Blessed Virgin Mary, or to some saint in their manifestations, taking into account however the possibility that the subject might have added, even unconsciously, purely human elements or some error of the natural order to an authentic supernatural revelation.” (If a seer claims that the vision has revealed something obviously contrary to the faith, the alarms should sound. At the same time, the Church counsels patience since seers see what they can understand within their particular cultural context and can err in good faith. So, for instance, St. Catherine of Siena, a seer and Doctor of the Church, records dialogues with God the Father in which she is convinced that the locution told her that Mary was not immaculately conceived. Is she a liar and a fraud? No, just a good 14th-century Third Order Dominican who follows St. Thomas as her authority on what was then still a disputed question.)

◗ “Evidence of a search for profit or gain strictly connected to the fact. Gravely immoral acts committed by the subject or his or her followers when the fact occurred or in connection with it. Psychological disorder or psychopathic tendencies in the subject, that with certainty influenced on the presumed supernatural fact, or psychosis, collective hysteria or other things of this kind.” (Does the alleged visionary give evidence of being crazy, a hysteric, a liar, a chronic impenitent, a crook, a con man, a rebel against the Church, a blatant heretic or a publicity hog?)

These are, more or less, the same guidelines by which the Church has always navigated — basically the same criteria can be found in the article on private revelation in the 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia."


Nobody's libeled Charlie on this forum. They have pointed out psychological issues using information CJ posted himself, along with evidence of immoral lifestyle on CJ's part, grave lack of charity towards others, evidence of a search for profit, and being a publicity hog.

The owner has bent over backwards to be fair to those who come to troll repeatedly.

Bemused said...

I might add to the previous comment, the reason we post here is there’s no free and open debate on TNRS blog. Questioning and critical comments by those of us seeking answers are suppressed or treated with mockery,

Fred Keyes said...

Ad hominem on this site has gone in both directions. Joe C. says that he is justifiably angry and yet doesn't hesitate to cast aspersions and engage in name calling. IMO, this back-and-forth isn't libel or any other mortal transgression; it's just noise. But it does distract a bit from a good discussion. If I do it, call me out....no problem.

L Spinelli said...

@Anon from yesterday, 8:56 PM

You're following Charlie's lead by constantly insisting that what we say here and what Glenn allows is libel.

It's not.

I take pains to make sure my criticism comes with a source, directly from Charlie's pen, that can't be misinterpreted.

Look at my comment about all of Charlie's failed predictions and prophecies from the Birmingham Dinner. Those all came straight from the transcript of the dinner, reported with only a couple of comments and NO embellishments from me.

I said I have no confidence in Charlie a prophet. That's due to January 20. He put his desire to be "needed" ahead of truly being a prophet. As was pointed out, he had a few failed prophecies already, including one given to Spirit Daily's Michael Brown, long before he went public in 2014. As also noted before, the failed LttW seer has tons more credibility than Charlie. Their website disappeared from public view the day after their Presidential Prophecy equivalent failed, and they didn't re-emerge with a not very convincing explanation.

I found Charlie sort of convincing, due to his talent for persuasion, way back in late 2014. Those prophecies scared me. Shortly afterwards, I started to find holes. The first was the "last normal Christmas". The second was his (see a pattern here?) not very convincing explanation to why it failed. I didn't follow his blog from the beginning and didn't know about it until that op-ed piece. Then my "this can't be for real" moment came in 2015, the infamous two-part "Whatcha Gonna Do When They Come For You". I thought, this can't be for real. Why would God or His archangel act and sound like a feverish alt-right blogger? People are supposed to believe this? Come on. And that was the end of Charlie's credibility for me.

As for that credibility, 2016 sunk it. That's when Charlie's nasty side came out full force. He threatened Kevin O'Brien and the NCR with libel suits. He doxxed a college student (and lost more than a few followers after that stunt.) 2017 was worse, with the January bomb and breaking his pledge to stay away...again with a not very convincing story as to why he was "needed" again.

This has been a wild ride that will be over shortly. It's December 1. 2018 is practically here. Listen to the Rolling Stones' "Out of Time" for laughs and perspective. And celebrate Christmas joyfully, not worrying about North Korea, nuclear war, China or those dire prophecies of Charlie's. That's not and never was what being Catholic was all about.

Anonymous said...

This is Francis. My God! Going by the above listed criteria, Mr. Johnston is without any doubt NOT to be believed. He does much for profit and, more significantly, for publicity; all of his predictions have failed, and his past is not exactly a model of Catholic holiness. I'm also a sinner, but I'm not claiming to be a prophet. He's combative, obsessive, and completely ignores his own bishop. I must say, I'll pray hard for Mr. Johnston, but judging by these criteria, in addition to the failed presidential prediction, Mr. Johnston must be totally ignored. Demons really may be in play here. I'm troubled now, more than even before.

Confused said...

Charlie Johnston speaks Catholic as a second language. He reminds me of a Protestant preacher proclaiming the prosperity gospel. Charlie's focus-his kingdom-is of this earth, a particular country and even political allegiance. How often does he use "I" in his talks and writings? Protestant preachers often go for a cult of personality to attract followers. What I don't see him talking about is examination of conscience. Adoration. Fasting. Penance. Humility. The need to submit to the guidance of the local bishop. Charlie was bullish on Eucharistic Processions for a while, but I can't remember when he last wrote about that. And didn't someone post-long while back-that he advertised himself on LinkedIn as a social media guru for hire?

Anonymous said...

OK, well, I believe the evidence is all in. TAKE THE NEXT RIGHT STEP AND DROP THIS FRAUD!

Fred Keyes said...

If as most of us expect December ends with Charlie's predictions unfulfilled, I'd also like to see this discussion dropped entirely from "Mystics of the Church." Maybe someone could open a discussion board for failed prophets where debunked phenomena could be discussed.

Come to think of it, there could be three discussion boards--saints and mystics whose experiences The Church officially deems worthy of belief; alleged apparitions and supernatural phenomena; and failed events.

Anonymous said...

Spinelli.

You say, "I take pains to make sure my criticism comes with a source, directly from Charlie's pen, that can't be misinterpreted."

A simple example to refute that appears when you later say, "He put is desire to be 'needed' ahead of truly being a prophet." (That's clearly just your opinion).

Even later you say, "Then my "this can't be for real" moment came in 2015, the infamous two-part "Whatcha Gonna Do When They Come For You."" I thought, this can't be for real. Why would God or His archangel act and sound like a feverish alt-right blogger?"

However, you fail to mention that he "posited" those things (as he has done with a great deal of his material). Where did he say that stuff (in that two part article) came from God or an Archangel? He did not.

Perhaps you should take greater pains to neatly sort the mishmash that proceeds from YOUR 'pen,' so as not to confuse things further.

I've been wondering for some time what pains you so in these matters, until you mentioned "those prophecies scared me." That would not only explain your usual manner, but the great pains you take to discredit most, if not all of what Charlie has to say. Or, at the very least, that's what I posit.

Anonymous said...

Previously only Joe Crozier used "Spinelli" alone when addressing our esteemed colleague. It could be Joe Crozier has returned as an Anonymous, then he is using the very anonymity he rails against.

Glenn Dallaire said...

Anonymous wrote:
"Many comments on this thread have attacked Charlie personally with nasty and uncharitable comments. That is not the type of discussion that should take place on a supposedly Catholic site. If the site owner does not moderate comments, then he is morally responsible for the sins of uncharitableness and false comments that are written here."
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You are mistaken as for whom is morally responsible in such a matter, if such were the case.

Here is the commenting guidelines posted right in the "Leave you comment" section:
"The comment sections of this website are NOT moderated and therefore comments are published immediately. The views and opinions expressed in the comment sections are those of the persons writing the comments, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the host of this website.

Please keep in mind that this is a Catholic based website, therefore all comments should be charitable and considerate of others in conformity with christian principles and practices. Thank you!"
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If certain persons choose not to follow the guidelines, then this is THEIR decision, and they alone are morally responsible for what is stated in their comments. As in all areas of life, one is solely responsible for ones own words and actions.

Aside from this I personally abhor moderating in comment sections because inevitably it always ends up as a one sided, comment scrubbing echo chamber where one or two persons judge and summarily unapprove/delete all comments not in conformity with the blog owners position or raison d'etre, such as what has often been noted and complained about on Charlie's own "The Next Right Step" blog for example, where for several years now there have been numerous complaints of many comments not being approved or deleted. Whats left is a one-sided echo chamber comment section. In fact, this has been stated quite a few times by various people here in this comment section. Even comments that are only lightly critical or questioning have apparently been scrubbed over at TNRS.

And so I am sorry that you may get offended by certain persons here who may disregard the comment guidelines and cross the lines of charity in their comments, but moderation and comment scrubbing has not, and will not, happen on this website, for I personally value free speech as one of the great freedoms associated with our free will, even if, at times, it has its downfalls. I have and will only delete comments that glaringly cross the lines of generally acceptable societal norms (ie- foul language, racist, verbally abusive, etc..) and in addition since this is a Catholic website I would possibly consider removing a comment that was exceedingly uncharitable. And as I have stated in the comment guidelines, "The views and opinions expressed in the comment sections are those of the persons writing the comments, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the host of this website."
Those who cross the lines of charity are solely responsible for their own words and actions.

May God bless all who visit here.
Glenn Dallaire


Glenn Dallaire said...

Anonymous said...
Previously only Joe Crozier used "Spinelli" alone when addressing our esteemed colleague. It could be Joe Crozier has returned as an Anonymous, then he is using the very anonymity he rails against.
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I personally would not accept this proposition due to the fact that I received an email from Joe Crozier this morning emphatically stating that he will no longer be commenting nor even visiting this website anymore, so I personally will take him at his word.

Glenn Dallaire

L Spinelli said...

@Anon 7:52 PM

When I first made my post, I erased "seemed to" from my comment about Charlie being needed. I had a flash of intuition that removing that was a mistake. I was right. You pounced on it.

About Whatcha Gonna Do, the lines between what the angel said and what Charlie "posited" (a favorite word of his, seems that you picked up the habit of repeating his favorite words) were already blurry by the time he posted that. But it IS true that he said the angel said he was being monitored by government entities. The inhabitants of Heaven don't concern themselves with worldly things, so that looks suspicious as to question of this angel's real identity. You already know what I think the angel really is.

Yes, his prophecies scared me and no, I didn't want them to happen. But as time went on and Charlie got less and less credible (doxxing, lawsuit threats, scrubbing comments, etc.), I felt I should warn people away from this stuff. I was first exposed to false prophets via a book called The Thunder of Justice. It was terrifically irresponsible of the authors to even publish a book filled with unapproved and some eventually proven false prophets. Reading that book developed the view I hold on prophecy: approach any apparition that doesn't have full Church approval with a great deal of caution.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

I've looked into Charlie's facebook page as far back as I can go 2008 - 2009 and there is nothing there that shows his prophetic abilities, it's full of republican, right-wing, neo-con conservatism mixed in with religion, there's nothing holy about it, it fact it is more political than anything even the religious topics are political.

He then goes on a walk across the USA, something akin to Forest Gump, but it looks more like some sort of publicity aspect for his facebook page to promote his walk across America. Thus writing a book about it. It's admirable that he walks across the country in his condition after the 2003 neurosurgery that had long-lasting physical effects on him which he talks about frequently on his journey and how he has to plan everything and not overdo it.

There is very little if any mention of his prophetic abilities. I find this strange considering the gravity of the situation he mentions, this doesn't come to fruition until the last few years.

Back to the neurological event in 2003, could it be that this event triggered or effected his neurology to the extent that he believed he was on some sort of mission from God and that entities were talking to him. Prior to this event there doesn't appear to be any evidence that he was hearing an angel. In fact, throughout his blog talks with his son, you would think his son would have mentioned or even brought up something about his father's prophetic abilities. His son doesn't even mention anyone else who knew of what his father was allegedly going through. The talks are mainly about the good old days, but no mention of Charlie's prophetic abilities during the good old days. There is no verification of any past abilities except mentioned by Charlie - no one else.

Looking past in time I don't see someone who acts like they were touched by God. You usually see some sort of change - you don't - it's the same Charlie, nothing "Holy" about him, I've met "Holy" people before, Charlie doesn't fit the bill. I believe the 2003 event may have made Charlie more aware of his mortality and he wanted to do something important to make his mark and his neurology either started it or encouraged it.





Jackisback said...

To Anon (at 8:56 PM yesterday)

You said in part: But in such a discussion, the newspaper is obliged to simply comment on facts and issues, and not attack people themselves. Otherwise they are guilty of libel.
Many comments on this thread have attacked Charlie personally with nasty and uncharitable comments.


I am not a lawyer, but CJ has made himself a public figure. Newspapers don't solely report facts, as CJ himself has lamented the poor reporting abilities of his least favorite publications. That is especially true for the editorial sections of newsprint. Such writing frequently includes condemnations of public figures that include what an outside party might well describe as falsehoods. Yet "falsehoods" in such articles are typically not actionable for a variety of reasons (the author can claim he was simply rendering opinion, that he obtained his information from another source, that there was no malice aforethought, rather just reacting to something the public figure said or did).

CJ's public profile clearly was established by him when making appearances in the general public, making videos of those appearances (and making those available on websites) publishing his blog, being interviewed on Immaculate Heart Radio, etc. So a libel suit made by a public figure such as CJ would have quite high hurdles indeed.

That said, you are not the first CJ defender to make accusations of those here for "attacking" CJ "uncharitably." There is actually a chance for discourse on that front, if, you would do something that all other CJ defenders haven't yet done here - cite a specific example! - including a quote along with date/time/author particulars.

As Fred said, ad hominem attack isn't welcome here generally, and most of us discerners usually cite specific writings of CJ's when we take issue with his assertions. I happen to be a stickler for the avoidance of logical fallacy in discussion - which is one reason why I have done my share of critical analysis of CJ's missives.

While logic is not the end all, be all, I find it provides a fair playing field for debate. We welcome your thoughts on discernment, if it furthers more discernment. I only respectfully request that you avoid blanket accusations like the one made in your post.

I continue to pray for CJ, my disagreements with his claims notwithstanding.

Confused said...

Jack,

The Anon's newspaper analogy is flawed. Maybe Glenn's articles are like a newspaper's. The comments section is different, and like comments in a newspaper's comments section are all over the place. The whole "you're not being charitable" is a ploy to shift attention away from an uncomfortable focus on Charlie's writings and actions. TNRS supporters avoid answering the questions that drive the discussion here. I think your offer to discuss in a unlimited way any past "uncharitable" comments at all will lead to useless unbounded back-and-forth.

Anonymous said...

We post here because 'TNRS' permits only affirming comments about Charlie. Anything even slightly critical is scrubbed. Mr. Johnston put himself in the public forum, therefore, his opinions are subject to scrutiny. All of his predictions have failed. Therefore, he is rightfully subject to legitimate criticism. Nobody on this post called him evil. Actually, most posters, including me, have assailed only his record, which is one of numerous, outrageous and failed predictions. All of these predictions are fair game, since Mr. Johnston has gone overboard in self promotion, directly based upon these failed predictions. As Sonny said in The Godfather, It's not personal; it's strictly business.

Anonymous said...

Correction: I meant to post that Michael had said that to Sonny.

Jackisback said...

To Confused (at 9:07 AM)

I think you are right in your first three observations, and perhaps the first of these explains why a few commentators here, do, in fact, cross the line from legitimate criticism to less-than-cordial pejorative or ad hominem attacks, and do so fearlessly on such occasions (which from my perspective are both small in total volume and not the most frequent of posts that appear regularly on this thread). Glenn has used the "wild west" metaphor when discussing this aspect of a non-monitored blog's comment thread. Glenn has done his share of occasionally reminding those posters to write with more charity, as have some of us regular contributors.

Iirrespective of both your observations and mine, Anon (at 8:56 PM 11/30/2017) from his own words, was asking for a higher standard of rhetoric here: That is not the type of discussion that should take place on a supposedly Catholic site. This statement would be a valid conclusion if his unsupported premises were objectively true (the unsuported premises being that CJ is "attacked personally" by the use of "nasty and uncharitable comments"). I am sympathetic to any request for charity, so long as that doesn't morph into a demand (or as you say a "ploy") for uncritical agreement with CJ's assertions or a demand for utter avoidance of a dissenting tone, lest we be automatically cast into a category or "class" of people who should be considered less than Catholic. That dog won't hunt, of course, but at least Anon didn't quite go that far.

This particular Anon may or may not be aware of the deep discussions we have had on this thread with respect to prior accusations of detraction and/or calumny, as made in the past by CJ defenders against many of us truth discerners here. I, along with others at the time, argued against those accusations as inaccurate. Not one of them stood up to scrutiny.

As to my offer of debate perhaps inviting "unbounded back and forth," I plead guilty as charged, but I respectfully disagree such will be useless. I just happen to think that we should embrace every attempt at reasoned dissent from the views we make known here vis-a-vis discernment of CJ's authenticity as a self-proclaimed prophet. If we lead by example in this fashion, we can reap the benefit of, hopefully, a changed perspective from those at TNRS who initially look upon us as "them" or even as "enemies," as we will have drawn a distinction between this thread and TNRS, one that stands out in sharp relief: All are welcome here, and we honor the meaning of the word catholic as universal.

In the past I have tried to make the charitable case that, as Catholics, we are all on the same team. Some CJ defenders may take issue with me saying so, given how seemingly "harsh" I may come off with my writing style when in a dispute. Those same CJ defenders would likely also be taken aback by this view: that it is actually CJ's defenders who sow division in the body Catholic. They do so in their insistence, time and again, virtually solely because a portion of CJ's so-called "mission" is in harmony with Church teaching going back more than 2,000 years (i.e., the "TNRS mantra" - which is essentially a call to follow God's Commandments) that refusal to believe in CJ's prophecy (or accept him as an authentic prophet) is the thing that is divisive.

Call me sappy; however, it's the Advent season. I pray for CJ and his defenders, and so I say again to Anon and anyone else, please engage me in back and forth to your heart's content, so long as actual discernment is your goal. And I also say as charitably as I can, come prepared to base your points in reason and logic, for that is how I respond (and will not hesitate to point out where I think your argument lacks logical validity).

Bemused said...

Perhaps I'm taking this out of context, or reading too much into this, but here's a snippet from a comment on TNRS blog:

I travelled from San Mateo, up over the Golden Gate to Mill Valley to go hear Charlie’s talk “Hearlding the Trimphant”. Last year the venue was packed, this year half so. Made me sad. It made me understand all the more how the disciples walked away from Jesus when he spoke about having to eat His body and drink His blood in order to have life within you.

Are these folks now suggesting that people who walk away from Charlie are in some way similar to the disciples who walked away from Jesus?

L Spinelli said...

@Bemused, it looks like that commentor is still "all in" for Charlie, despite the "January bomb" and breaking his pledge to stay away.

Strictly in my opinion, the only reason they still flock to him is the cult of personality he built. What else could it be? It can't be what his "angel told him" about Obama in 2008. It can't be all the failed predictions from the Birmingham Dinner. And it definitely can't be the failed prophecies made prior to 2014.

Fred Keyes said...

Jack as usual makes a good case for robust and reasoned debate.

In this respect keep in mind what happens in the debate over whether someone should be considered a venerable, a blessed or a saint. The Church appoints a "Devil's Advocate" who argues with all available information *against* the position that the person is worthy of honor. Those debates would appear to be impolite, I'm sure

Confused said...

Charlie's followers often do not seem amenable to reason. At least that cannot be the motivating factor for many of those left, given the degree of psychological investment in his claims and denial some display.

Take yesterday's comment,

luvmercy5775 says:
December 2, 2017 at 8:07 pm


Question:
Does Our Lady arriving with the armies of heaven at the height of the Storm, while singing the Song of Thanksgiving, herald the Rescue?
Also, Does anyone know the name of the article that Charlie wrote when he first shared this vision?
Thanks, I’m certain one or more of you know the answers.
��

Beckita says:
December 3, 2017 at 12:47 am


Luvmercy, I first read about this vision in a book. There is no piece on site which contains it. I know Charlie’s planning to address the Rescue, once again and soon, in a new piece. I asked if he would include the vision when he does write. I know when Charlie is on the road making visits, it’s difficult to get the quiet time needed to write such an important piece as he’s now preparing. Let’s take the Advent stance of Patience People to wait and see. ��

Fred Keyes said...

Back on Nov. 27, Jean posted a quote from a Joe Crozier post at TNRS. Joe said:

"Your comment induced me to refresh my memory about the Rescue. In the broadcast to which Beckita refers, Charlie reassures us that towards the end of this year, 2017, Our Lady will come and everybody will see her and know that God is, that Jesus Christ is Lord, that Mary is his mother and that Jesus wants us back. Everyone will know all this.".

The problem I have with this prediction and all others like it (like the "Warning") predicting that everyone will "know" that "God is, that Jesus Christ is Lord, and Mary is his mother" is that it very nearly obviates the need for faith.

The desire for certitude in this life seems to me to be a sign of weak faith. Rather than chasing questionable prophets and apparitions, isn't it more valuable to improve our prayer life, read and study scripture, work diligently at the spiritual and corporal works of mercy?

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Don't forget the history of that statement by Charlie. Charlie was under pressure from some of his TNRS group and especially JC to state what exactly his angel told him, so that's what CJ relayed to them - that's it, nothing more and that seemed to satisfy JC and some others, others not so. I'm not entirely convinced that's what his angel actually told him, I think he made it up to quell the discontent since he was under duress. Most "prophets" are always under pressure to come up with something to keep the gig going, look at Medjugore, every week or month there's some general statement by the visionaries about what Our Lady says. Whether you agree with agree with Medjugore or not it's odd these meaningless messages keep going on, even the Vatican doesn't believe they're authentic.

It will be interesting to see the reaction of JC once this doesn't transpire.

Jackisback said...

I'm right there with you, Fred. Well said.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

What I find amazing is how Our Lady is talking to one of the seers in Medjugore, and a message just came out on Dec 2 and there's no mention of any appearance by her, don't you think that if Our Lady was going to appear this month ( I mean her appearance is huge for us Catholics and the whole world ) she would say something on Dec 2 - yet no mention, just the usual and no indication from the seer that anything special is going to happen. I'm sure Or Lady would have given a heads up on this one.

Anonymous said...

Jean, Charlie's messages and those of Medjugorje are not compatible. Instead of "Take the Next Right Step," Medjugorje adherents talk about living the "Five Stones" of prayer, fasting, Eucharist, bible, monthly confession. Charlie does not preach an ascetic life, which is far more typically Catholic; he certainly does not discuss authentic Opus Dei practice, which include detachment, physical mortification, and nightly examination of conscience. Instead Charlie is more a quick-and-easy Protestant prosperity ministry guy, with his fast PMTs, "walking around money" from sales, the e-cigs which he enjoys at his talks. His kingdom is of this world, not the next.

L Spinelli said...

His kingdom is of this world, not the next.

Absolutely. Nothing made that more obvious than the Regency. It was all about establishing a new political system/solution. An awful lot of it was based on his far right wing principles. None of it is from God.

L Spinelli said...

Rather than chasing questionable prophets and apparitions, isn't it more valuable to improve our prayer life, read and study scripture, work diligently at the spiritual and corporal works of mercy?

Spot on, Fred.

I found more peace and joy in my life from simply doing what I'm supposed to do as a Catholic, including joining the Legion of Mary, than following Charlie.

Even 20 some years after reading and rejecting what was recounted in the awful book The Thunder of Justice, I still have trouble fully grasping what exactly draws people to these visionaries. What do they offer, besides the sensational and Gnosticism, that we as Catholics don't already have?

Joseph J. said...

Anonymous at 8:25 AM:

What a painfully true assessment, but the facts are the facts.

Joseph J. said...

According to his latest post today, Charlie is "all in" for the predicted rescue:

"Though I don’t moderate the comments here anymore, I do read through them every few days to see what themes are on people’s minds. Of late I see many wonder whether I still say that the Rescue will come before the end of the year. The Rescue is what I call the revelation of Our Lady to the whole world in which all will know that Jesus is God, Lord of all; that she is His Mother; that He honors her; and that He expects us all to do the same. In a word, yes, I do."

".....It being December, I can’t help sweating a little, wondering if I am to play the fool for the second time in less than a year. But when I pray about it, I am rebuked for my lack of faith, so I will wait upon the Lord."

So, looks like its make or break time. Gotta give him credit at least for going all in with only a few weeks to go. If there is no rescue, then only a fool would follow him come January.




Jackisback said...

Thanks for the heads up Joseph J.

I just read the post in its entirety. The sentences you quoted are some of the most important. Instead of focusing on all the logical errors in the entirety of CJ's text on this one, I would point out one more important sentence, which is the most cringeworthy:

Now I have come to think that death will be my retirement.

So July 5, 2018 will no longer provide us with an end to this. Now isn't that special?

L Spinelli said...

I wasn't upset, angry or frightened by this latest Charlie post. I'll sum it up in one word: indifferent.

This particular sentence caught my attention:

...it was one of the last times I questioned Our Lord’s judgment in sending me to help hearten His people during the Storm, the greatest crisis in the history of the world before the actual end.

So he's saying that God picked a guy like him, a former political consultant well versed in double speak, with a history of being combative and dismissive of his perceived enemies, doxxing and threats of libel suits, to lead us through something this close to Armageddon.

I don't buy it. I never bought it. Back up onto the shelf it goes.

Anonymous said...

Never have I heard of the saviour of the world saying to a supposed seer, “You’re a game little fella.” Nor do I believe He would. Jesus is far more likely to encourage humility and dependence on Him. He is not likely to encourage arrogant self-reliance. The comment seems to smack of, “don’t mess with me.” This whole CJ “thing” is a fabrication.

Confused said...

Agree, Anon@11:52.

I cannot imagine Our Lord and Savior being "sly." It reminds me of Charlie's "angel" describing an opponent as "Menses," in a way meant to disparage.

Dictionary.com defines sly as,

adjective: sly; comparative adjective: slyer; superlative adjective: slyest
having or showing a cunning and deceitful nature.
"she had a sly personality"

synonyms: cunning, crafty, clever, wily, artful, guileful, tricky, scheming, devious, deceitful, duplicitous, dishonest, underhanded, sneaky;

(of a remark, glance, or facial expression) showing in an insinuating way that one has some secret knowledge that may be harmful or embarrassing.
"he gave a sly grin"

Anonymous said...

No, I can't imagine Our Lord saying, "you're a game little fella." At first blush it smacks of vanity and self indulgence. Then I catch myself daring to imagine what Our Lord may say or not say to any particular soul... and what do I know. I do know that I'm open to a prophetic word, keeping what's good (if anything), dismissing the rest. Date-setting is definitely something I dismiss. Whatever the case I expect a bang or a whimper by January 1.

Anonymous said...

Anon@5:03,

You said, I do know that I'm open to a prophetic word... Are you open to words that have judged by the proper Church authority, that is, Charlie's own archbishop, not to be condoned or reinterpreted? His archdiocese twice warned Catholics to rely on scripture and teaching instead of on Charlie, and announced his visions regarding 2016-2017 to be inaccurate. Note the archbishop did not wait for 2018 to come to make that assessment, but instead published, through his spokeswoman, that judgment in early 2017. And the archbishop didn't limit his statement to one particular vision or prophecy, but to all of them.

Anonymous said...

Didn't I just get done saying that I definitely dismiss date-setting? That should be clear enough, but it would appear your opposition to Charlie is set on a hair trigger. I also questioned my ability to imagine what Our Lord may or may not say to any soul. Frankly, I have no idea what those personal dialogs beyond me consist of (and, yes, I'm fully aware he went public with some of his). Dismiss it all if you're so inclined. Me... if I happen to see a nugget in the dirt, I'm likely going to bend over and pick it up.

Jackisback said...

Some critiques of CJ's latest post: Fractured Expectations

From the first paragraph: Of late I see many wonder whether I still say that the Rescue will come before the end of the year. The Rescue is what I call the revelation of Our Lady to the whole world in which all will know that Jesus is God, Lord of all; that she is His Mother; that He honors her; and that He expects us all to do the same. In a word, yes, I do.

The first problem here is not the reiteration of the "Rescue" will come before the end of the year (when some of CJ's major "storm" elements, the "five fundamentals" will then not occur until after the "Rescue" - which makes not one bit of sense) but rather the assertion: the revelation of Our Lady to the whole world. As Fred has mentioned in the past, there are not supposed to be any mor public revelations for us to expect. This makes the title of CJ's post ironic to say the least, for the "fractured expectations" were expectations originally proclaimed by CJ (as having come from heavenly sources) - i.e. CJ created the expectations in the first place.

The second problem is the phrase: in which all will know that Jesus is God, Lord of all; that she is His Mother; that He honors her; and that He expects us all to do the same. This description of CJ's so-called "revelation" is composed of items that have already been revealed circa 33 A.D. Ergo, CJ's assertion in this paragraph is of a non-revelatory revelation - by definition oxymoronic.

In his next paragraph, CJ says: I believed that the Rescue would be the end of troubles. Now, I believe that it will begin the hottest phase of a struggle in which the outcome is certain and in which everyone knows which side they are on. It will be a struggle constantly marked by supernatural manifestations as God reveals Himself to both hearten the faithful and call the rebellious to repentance. Here is the classic logical fallacy of goal-post-moving (special pleading) where CJ formally switches the order of his "complete collapse" prophecies that were supposed to compose the "fullness of the storm" to now occuring after the "Rescue". One cannot read CJ's blog Go Forth and in any sense claim that CJ communicated the five fundamentals, the things he "insisted upon," as events that were to occur AFTER the "Rescue."

From Go Forth: I am sent to proclaim the Rescue...to give people heart...to endure the Storm and participate in the Rescue now, that they may be united in one flock under one shepherd, honoring Our Lady as Our Lord, Himself, honors her when it is accomplished. - and then CJ's very next sentence: Before two and a quarter years have passed, all of this will have been accomplished. This cannot be read in a way that would reasonably infer that CJ was open to the possibility that the "uniting in one flock under one shepherd" was going to occur at some much later time after the "Rescue." The Go Forth post was dated October 28, 2015.

And more on timing: I only have eight public prophecies that I insist on. Only the visible, miraculous Rescue by Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception in late 2017, is time sensitive. Five things must happen between now and the Rescue, but can happen at any time during that period. Read that last sentence again, and think about how CJ now casually asserts: I believed that the Rescue would be the end of troubles - ignoring the fact that he didn't just believe that when he wrote Go Forth, he told us he was sent to Proclaim it.

...continued in next post

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Jackisback said...

...continued from prior post

In Go Forth CJ refers to the “five fundamentals.” They are:
– The continued toppling of governments throughout the world, including that of the U.S. The toppling of a government does not mean the nation shall fall.
– The confrontation with and fall of political Islam.
– The mass conversion of most Muslims
– The confrontation between the Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China.
– The alliance between Russia and the U.S. to lead the Judeo-Christian world to endure the confrontation with China.


CJ has written speciously that the first of the five has been fulfilled, but when he did so, he omitted the part of the U.S. government toppling. No one can argue that the U.S. government has “toppled” and expect to be taken seriously. There’s a word in polite society that we use to describe a person who would try to convince you of such a claim, despite your own witness to the contrary, and to take a tone of making you out to be the “only one” who doesn’t see it this way, or that you must have lost your sanity if don’t see it this way. They’re called gaslighters.

No matter how one might define “political Islam,” no one can argue that it “has fallen” and expect to be taken seriously.

CJ has already tried to claim that the mass conversion of most Muslims has already been fulfilled, and implied that the converts have all just managed to keep quiet about it because of the fear of punishment. This is an insinuation without any evidence, and is not credible. There are in fact many parts of the world where Islamic society is moderate enough that they would not invoke the death penalty for apostates or otherwise wouldn’t be able to do so, but how many Muslim converts are there this year in Bosnia, Indonesia, western Europe, just to name a few examples? One would think if there were a swelling of secret conversions from Islam to Christianity, that the Christian parishes in the moderate places around the globe would be overflowing with converts. That is surely not the case in Europe. It is not the case here in the U.S.

If there has been a “confrontation with China,” very little has been written about it – and the same goes for any “alliance between Russia and the U.S.”

Anonymous said...

Mr. Johnston has 26 days, before he becomes totally irrelevant, and most certainly either delusional or demon deceived. He's already moved the goal posts several times. He never merited this 15 minutes of fame, but it's almost over for him. He'll continue his little cult, but only hard core moonies shall remain. 26 days.

Jackisback said...

Anon (at 8:02 AM)

I agree with your conclusion that in 26 days it is likely that CJ's volume of followers will decline to a small number of devotees. Yet, I happen to think it is of some importance to not remain silent in the face of changed and/or new "prophecies" or claims made by CJ. When we witness a person potentially leading others into confusion and error, and we say/do nothing, we potentially grant our consent to that. For myself, I would love to have avoided being involved in this at all for the past couple of years - if only I hadn't been listening to Immaculate Heart Radio the day that CJ's interview aired with Patrick Madrid, I might have been blissfully ignorant of all of this.

I would love nothing more than to stop responding to CJ's claims - if only he would stop making them. I have a few points to make about this basic problem as well, for CJ is on record promising not to restart or make new prophecies - in the wake of the Presidntial locution failure.

Will he become totally irrelevant as of January 1, 2018? Perhaps someone can point me to some statistical drop in visitors to TNRS or some drop in public appearances shortly after that date? If that happens, then you will be right, yet again, and I think that would be a good thing. But what if the status quo is maintained or that he increases his following?

But you are certainly correct in saying that in 26 days, it is highly likely that CJ will be proven to be "either delusional or demon deceived." As well, since the Denver archdiocese will likely not feel any compulsion to issue any official additional guidance or even engage a full scale investigation, some number of concerned Catholics are then left to point out that CJ will have been shown to have spoken presumptuously - and attributing that presumptuous speech to God - and stating so for the record (even if that record is composed solely of this blog thread).

There is one ray of hope that hasn't been mentioned in a while. CJ is on record saying that he would always be obedient to Church authority. If Archbishop Aquila will not command CJ to cease and desist, it is my hope that his claimed three spiritual advisors, all Opus Dei priests, will informally ask him to stop, if not on January 1, 2018, then perhaps on July 5, 2018. I have faith that CJ would listen to them and obey them, especially if they presented such a request to CJ unanimously, in a united front. Such a move by those priests would simply be for CJ's own good, and the good of his followers and critics alike.

While reiterating frequently that I am praying for CJ and his followers/defenders, I continue to hold to the idea that it is worth my time to debunk the dubious claims that continue to be made, at least for now.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Thanks Jackisback, L Spinelli and others for your ongoing analysis--I enjoy reading the various facts and viewpoints presented as I am sure others do too.
-Glenn

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

".....It being December, I can’t help sweating a little, wondering if I am to play the fool for the second time in less than a year. But when I pray about it, I am rebuked for my lack of faith, so I will wait upon the Lord."

Doesn't Charlie have spiritual advisors to go to help him discern or has he abandoned then. The last time his prophecy failed people on his site were blaming his spiritual advisors, wouldn't this be an ideal time if not mandatory time to seek their help? In fact he states he has as many as 3 - isn't he seeking their help?


Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Sorry Jack I almost repeated what you said about the spiritual advisors, I didn't see yours posted, but "the Lord put it on my mind", and if I hadn't gone to a Church meeting I would beaten you too it.

Jackisback said...

As the kids say, "it's all good," Jean.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

"As to The Rescue, however, how I wish, how I hope, but I am like Thomas – unless I see the Blessed Mother by the end of this year I will not trust that Charlie has been given the gift of true prophesy. Why is this important? All God’s prophets are important and a great aid to faith. All public revelation has already been given but private revelation can add to our faith in the way we put it into practise eg devotion to The Sacred and Immaculate Hearts. But we have to know who truly speaks for God because God spesks in no other way and His Way is always true."

Guess who said this on December 05, 2017 - Joe Crozier.

Beckita also states that Father Wang who stays in her house let it out of the bag and said "wait and see".

They are setting the stage for the eventual failure so that people will not be shocked when it doesn't happen.

Anonymous said...

This is Francis. In 25 days, Mr. Johnston, for whom I am praying, will be:
1. A lying, self - promoting fraud;
2. Psychologically unbalanced & delusional;
3. Demon - deceived;
4. Any combination of the above.

In ANY case, he must totally be avoided and shunned, come January 1, 2018. Because if it is demonic in genesis, as I now believe, its foul goal is probably to confuse and to diminish faith in genuine Catholic prophecy, such as:
- Lourdes' sun miracle, which was witnessed by 50,000 - 70,000 people and reported in the secular, anti - Catholic newspapers;
- Numerous, genuine, ongoing Eucharistic miracles;
- The saints' incorrupt bodies, unexplained by science;
- Medical miraculous cures, unexplained by medicine;
- The six priests living at ground zero at Hiroshima, who were totally unaffected by the nuclear bomb, which exploded directly above their heads, which they attributed to Mary, unexplained by science.

These are all legitimate, and in 25 days days, Charlie's so - called 'angel', i.e. fallen angel, will have its foul facade torn down. Even a self - promoting man such as Mr. Johnston, can't spin his way out of this one. Prayers are in order. He needs deliverance.

Anonymous said...

Someone sent me this on Facebook. A lot of people are following this guy now. Claims we will be in a worldwide civil war, the economy will totally collapse, and we’ll also be at war with China. All in the next three years. Then we’ll be miraculously rescued by Mary by Oct 17, 2017.

This guy is claiming that all this is coming from Gabriel, Mary and the Father himself. Me? I think fallen angels may be at work here.

Another dispatch from the seer chasing phenomenon.

Lucky for people like this fraud, that the Church doesn’t hold with that whole “stone false prophets to death” thing in Torah.

Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2014/11/it-amazes-me-that-people-fall-for-this-stuff.html#UP48BACiWdIKtqGv.99

Amen.

Anonymous said...

We all get it that good ole' Charlie is almost certainly deceived by demons, and gravely, and consistently, mistaken. He's obsessive, combative, defensive, and a master at spin. Having been totally wrong about, well, everything, especially the 2017 election aftermath, he still hangs on and equivocates. His small cult buys anything. However, come Jan. 1, 2018, the gig is up for good ole' Charlie. Done. But, prayers are in order here. Once these demons are unmasked, they may well go after Charlie, who needs official Church intervention, i.e. an exorcism. I actually fear for Charlie. But my Catholic charity &sympathy do NOT preclude me from speaking the truth. Condemn his nonsense, but help him. That's our task now.

Bemused said...

I read Charlie’s latest post. He is saying the Rescue will be this month. What is not clear (hence I continue to be bemused) is what he is saying he’ll do if the Rescue doesn’thappen this month? With regard to the Presidential Prophecy, Charlie said if Trump was inaugurated he (Charlie) would declare himself unreliable and go away (which he did for a few weeks). So if the Rescue fails to materialize in the next 24 days will he again declare himself unreliable and go away...at least for a while?

Jackisback said...

To Bemused (at 3:54 PM),

A fair question. I doubt that CJ will answer it, after the experience in January - going silent and then breaking his silence in May - having to make up a weak, irrational rationalization for why it was OK for him to break his "pledge of honor" to remain silent, absent a coup.

He may not have been reading this thread post-January 2017, but his followers no doubt still were/are, and likely reported back to him on our well-reasoned rebukes against him for his failure to keep his word on staying silent (except for contributing fictional stories). I think this is why he indicated in his most recent post that he has now "come to think" that he will continue on doing what he is doing until death (rather than stopping at July 5, 2018). He found a rationalization for that, such that later no one can assert that he was "honor-bound" to retire completely on July 5th.

But you are right to raise the question just the same. For those that don't think this is a big deal, I give you an old quote from CJ, when he was defending himself from criticism from Mark Shea in the comments section on the Patheos blog entry titled It amazes me that people fall for this stuff, dated November 29, 2014, and when CJ was still keeping up a facade of being accepting of critique good-naturedly (items in brackets [] are mine, for clarity; emphasis in bold is mine, not in the original; emphasis in all caps is CJ's in the original, not mine; the final paragraph is most on point):

Charlie Johnston [to] Doug Curtin • 3 years ago
Doug, I don't feel unappreciated nor do I get worked up when people launch a broadside. Much Catholic media is not aware of it at all...most of those which are have actually reprinted specific pieces. Readers in America and Europe have included Bishops, many priests and religious, and a few working theologians. I did NOTHING to promote the site, and still don't. I really do think if it is from God, nothing will stop it and if it is not, it should be stopped. Yet it has taken off.

What I concentrate on is the work, to assure people credibly that God is close at hand to them - to you. That you are called today to the joy of participating with Him in the renewal of the world. You don't need me to do that, but if I help steady a few and give them hope, that works for me.

But mostly I think that people who are skeptical are usually trying to live prudence well - and with as many things out there trying to pull people away from the faith today, that is a virtue, not a vice.

I spent a long time working as a political consultant for federal (Senate and Congressional candidates) and writing for secular sites. I got used to people "talking ugly" about me several decades ago - and some of those who talked the ugliest became some of my closest collaborators. If everything passed us over, in 2018 I can quit the scene and spend my declining days enjoying my grandkids. If everything happens as I say it will and I keep faith, I can retire in 2018 in honor for having helped people endure. It's a win-win situation for me. All I have to do is live faithfully my calling as I see it, having submitted for 20 years to my directors, in submission to Mother Church and I will have lived a good life of fidelity. That should be enough for anyone. It's certainly enough for me.


I challenge CJ and his followers to square what he wrote above, three years ago, with what he just recently wrote in Fractured Expectations: Now I have come to think that death will be my retirement. Come January 1, 2018, when nothing occurs, one of his followers or one of his spiritual advisor priests ought to consider nudging CJ back to quit the scene and enjoy his grandchildren.


Anonymous said...

I don’t think he will quit in January or in July. Here’s why.

If this is demonic I doubt the devils tell him to stop.

If this is psychological or self-delusion I doubt he will be made magically mentally retarded intact, and therefore he will stop.

If this is of God I doubt God will tell him to stop.

Anonymous said...

I didn't mean to write above "mentally retarded intact" but rather "mentally intact" --my computer has a word fill in feature that inserted it.

Fred Keyes said...

As I write this, December 8, when so many expected the predicted apparition to take place, has come and gone at the International Dateline and is proceeding across Australia, Asia and the whole world over the next several hours. If you think about it, predicting days and times for world-wide events is always a tricky thing because whatever day it is in one place, it's the date before or the date after in another part of the world. All you date-specific prophets, take note and adjust accordingly. :)

Changing gears, I wonder why Charlie picked three Opus Dei priests as his advisers. Opus Dei is a papal prelature which leans conservative within the Church. ("Conservative" and "liberal" within the Church are not the same as those rough descriptions are in the political world, although they often times run parallel with many individuals.) In my view, whether you are an Opus Dei priest or the editor of America Magazine, you fall under the umbrella of the Church Universal. What I wonder is why Charlie picked only Opus Dei priests. Why not a mix of priests from the wider spectrum of views within the Church?

Charlies's tip-toeing criticism of Pope Francis, his criticism of the selection of Cardinals, and other of his views about Church politics would make him a darling of members of Opus Dei. I don't want to accuse his spiritual advisers of letting their personal views affect their opinions about Charlie, but wouldn't a more diverse group of spiritual advisers introduce a more robust evaluation of his work?

Aside: I still maintain Charlie is a highly effective political operative. He knows how to pick 'em to get what he wants.

Anonymous said...

OK, so now Charlie is stating that he'll continue until his death. Failure after failure after failure, with absolutely no successes at all, don't deter his cult. That really is scary. Demons are pulling these strings. I'm now certain.

Anonymous said...

EVERY single prediction has failed. Charlie needs to man up and disband his cult. Take the next right step, and stop listening to this demon - inspired fraud. His Archbishop has spoken. What more will it take?

Anonymous said...

To Anon at 10:57;

I honestly don't know what it'll take for Charlie to finally keep his word, and leave the public scene, as he's repeatedly promised to do. He has broken his word every time, and repeatedly moved the goal posts, to suit his continued record of failed prophecies.

I agree that demons are clearly in play here. Even when he prays, he's rebuked for 'doubting'. Does that sound like one of the holy angels to anyone? This latest, absurd prophecy will fail, as have all the others. In fact, not one has come to pass. I pray he gets at least deliverance, and that his cult members also find peace within the Sacraments, never doubting true Catholic prophecies. The Magisterium has spoken, and very unfavorably about Mr. Johnston. He never merited these 15 minutes of fame. But, ok, he received it.

I hope this thread is closed by mid January, 2018. Because Mr. Johnston's predictions will be more than irrelevant by January 1, 2018. In fact, they already are. Even Charlie can't talk his way out of that.

Bemused said...

To anonymous above,

I expect folks here will cease posting on this thread once Charlie shuts down his blog. Right after LTTW closed shop the posts stopped on Glenn’s LTTW thread. My guess is the same will happen with this thread.

Bemused said...

On another note...

The rescue was supposed to be the culmination of dire events (i.e., economic collapse, war with China, FEMA camps, return to a barter system, and so on). But as I understand it, Charlie's now saying the Rescue is simply the beginning of events that will lead to the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart.

Assuming heaven has changed its plans, Charlie continues to say the Rescue is still on for this month - as in the next 21 days. But has Charlie "told us true" it will happen this month, or does he just think it will happen this month?

Anonymous said...

Bemused;

Charlie keeps moving the goal posts. Charlie won't give a straight answer. You're correct in saying that the so-called rescue was supposed to be the culmination of dire events. Now Charlie claims it's the beginning? In 3 weeks, he'll be forced to quit the scene, as he says. Even if tries to remain, which he may, his already non existent credibility will leave nobody, except his cult. But, even they will, I pray, see demonic deception here. As someone wrote, supra, Charlie can't talk his way outta this one!

Still Bemused said...

This was written by Beckita on 2/7/2017 in her post The RESCUE Has Begun:

He (Charlie) has written that RESCUE has two major dimensions. It is both a process and an unique event in time, I’ll call the FINAL RESCUE, in which Our Lady the Immaculate Conception will intervene in a miraculous way, visible to all. This prophecy is also unique because it was given directly to Charlie by Archangel Gabriel and when Charlie resisted naming a time frame for this prophecy, he was dramatically corrected by St. Gabriel to tell us and tell us true.

So is the thinking on TNRS blog that the process of the Rescue will begin by the end of 2017 (thus fulfilling Charlie's prophecy), however the unique event will be sometime afterward? And if so, might that time afterward extend beyond midnight on 12/31/2017? But that would seem to contradict Charlie having told us true.

Jackisback said...

CJ's last post was adamant that the visible "rescue" by the Blessed Virgin Mary for all to witness will occur before the end of the year. It is the other really bad parts of the storm that will occur after that - which of course makes no sense to have a rescue before a crash.

But reliability in word is not CJ's strong suit, as we have all witnessed. Remember he claimed that he would not use the TNRS blog again for any new prophecies - but clearly that is what this most recent post is.

While CJ claims to own everything he says and to take full responsibility for his words, check out this particular gem from 2014 in his post Choose or Perish in the comment section, in answer to a commentator named Tom on August 11, 2014:

That said, I was told specifically that Obama would convert – but it would not come until long after he had left power and left the country in ashes, and I was to pray for him. I think sometimes what a horror it will be for the poor man to live to know that it was his vanity, ignorance and arrogance that led the world into the greatest crisis in its history. Somewhere, he must have some reserves in order to endure that.

Remember how Obama was not to even finish his term? CJ was "told" that "specifically" as well. Well, he did finish his term. Did Obama leave the country in ashes? Well, one can argue he left behind a certain number of problematic issues both domestically and internationally (what President hasn't?) but "in ashes"? And yet, CJ insisted he "was told" that "specifically."

If one asks how CJ manifestly took responsibility for espousing the "locution" that Obama would leave the country in ashes, one only hears the sounds of crickets in response.

In three weeks time, when another professed "locution" will have failed - the so-called "Rescue" - which CJ also claimed he was "told specifically" to preach to the world, and even more to the point, he claimed he was told to specifically focus on the timing of the event such that it would occur prior to the end of 2017.

When it fails in three weeks, will we similarly witness only the sound of crickets chirping in the background, or will CJ actually say or do anything that exhibits what any reasonable person would consider to be "taking full responsibility" for the bearing of false witness?

Based upon CJ's track record, my expectations are quite low indeed.

Pointing this out sounds harsh to some, but CJ is the one who set his own standards for when he might be found not to have told us true. When this happens yet again, the condemnation does not come from me (the only thing that will come from me is prayer for CJ) it comes from CJ's lack of accountability to his own words.

It would benefit all, at that point, if CJ would simply cease commenting, but I won't be holding my breath for that outcome. Clearly his last post was designed to set expectations that he will be commenting ad infinitum.

Anonymous said...

It would be of more benefit if the archdiocese of Denver publicly tells CJ to shut down his blog and cease all communication. The church fumbled its response to CJ by not being quicker and firmer in its statements, which allowed him to sell his misinterpretation of the first warning, at least, as a covert green light to him ("no restrictions on content").

Fred Keyes said...

Given the likely failure of Charlie's predictions at the end of the month, it does seem necessary and even likely that Archbishop Aquila of Denver will issue a decision of “constat de non supernaturalitate” (the supernatural is not established) to put an end to the misleading of souls and frankly to get Charlie off the hook.

Fred Keyes said...

There's a great exposition of the Church's position on private revelation and apparitions here:

https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/apparitions.htm

Jackisback said...

Fred,

Like you, I think, I vote for number decision #2 as well:

2) constat de non supernaturalitate (established as not supernatural)

I think that a failure of the "Rescue" before year end warrants that. Clearly, though, Catholics may have to wait quite a while for the Denver Ordinary to render that judgment.

I made particular note of this portion of the paragraph devoted to the description of decision #2 (bold emphasis is mine):

An alleged revelation may also only be a pious rambling, consistent with faith and morals, but lacking evidence of being anything more than the product of human effort. No fraud need be intended, only an active imagination.

Confused said...

Charlie's followers--especially Beckita--should ponder this paragraph as they continue to reinterpret his predictions:

With respect to any disciplinary precepts the bishop makes concerning the apparition and its site, they should be followed faithfully (e.g. what sacraments, if any, may be celebrated there). No Catholic should ever violate the practical norms laid down by the local bishop with respect to an alleged apparition, even if intellectually they disagree with his conclusion regarding the alleged apparition. Such disobedience would be sinful, and if it characterized the attitude of the followers of the alleged apparition it would be a sign of its inauthenticity, i.e. by producing bad fruit.

Fred Keyes said...

Jack, I agree Charlie has an imagination that works overtime. That imagination mixed with an alt-right point of view created a trap that too many good people have fallen for.

Anonymous said...

Good ole' Charlie is totally irrelevant in 20 days. He's already made excuses for his repeated failures, and has re appeared, as I'd predicted he would. He 'told us true' about the presidential election. Yep. He's already irrelevant. In 20 days, even Mrs. B. Hesse can't spin yet another failure. If demons are at play,and I'm totally convinced that they are, they'll be unmasked in 20 days. They then may well go after Charlie, who'll then need our prayers and perhaps even an exorcism. TNRS people....hear this please. You're playing with fire.

Anonymous said...

Charlie said a role of his was to hearten God’s people during the darkest days of the storm. Let’s say the BVM visibly rescues the world in the next 2 weeks. Then I don’t get it. God sends the faithful a person who posts prophecies on an internet blog, all of which fail except the most important one.. Does God really work like this? Odd and unprecedented to say the least.

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston now has 19 days to go. Will he finally man up and accept this newest failure, the latest in a long & perfect record of repeated failures, and disappear from the scene? He broke his promise last time. Will he finally keep his word, and shut down his blog? His cult members will seek and, regrettably, find another false prophet. They're a dime a dozen.

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:47 am.,

I don't know, Anon. Maybe a better question to ask yourself is whether or not you're going to continue to move forward as the petty little cynic you appear to be.

Confused said...

Anon@3:21,

Do you have anything to add to the conversation, or are you just here to troll?

If you take time to read more of the entries here, you'll see the comment is spot on: Charlie disappointed many, many vulnerable people with his failed predictions. His followers still push his messages, ignoring an archdiocesan statement this year urging Catholics not to condone or reinterpret his messages. Charlie said he'd leave the stage, but instead is hogging the limelight with new public talks and podcasts. Why not call him out on this?

L Spinelli said...

@Anon above, yes, why not?

As I pointed out earlier, since today is almost over, Charlie actually has just 11 days to go. Remember that it all was supposed to be fulfilled by Christmas. The world was supposed to have a joyous Christmas this year after three filled with deep and desperate strife, three that weren't supposed to be celebrated at all...but they were.

As Fred said, he misled a lot of people by mixing his imagination and/or demonic deception with alt-right politics. He misled people by going public after some of his prophecies prior to 2014 failed.

The bottom line is, stay away from people like Charlie, who don't have official Church recognition. You don't know what you're messing with.

Glenn Dallaire said...


I would add one important consideration to this whole matter concerning Charlie, that being that quite a few people have had, or will soon have, their own personal credibility damaged because of their personal and vocal support for Charlie and his predictions.

Consider that many people have warned and foretold their family members, coworkers, friends etc. of the predicted "Great Storm", the worldwide governmental and economic collapse, the wars with militant Islam and China, and of course the promised miraculous Rescue in late 2017. Indeed it seems that quite a few folks were quite vocal concerning these matters, parroting Charlie's prophecies to those around them.

Thus, the credibility of perhaps quite a few folks has been and/or will be effected through their association and support of Charlie.

As for myself, thankfully I was quite reserved on the matter over the past few years, taking more of a "wait and see" approach, although I did cautiously share some details of Charlie's predictions with my wife and a few close family members and one priest friend.

Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

I would think that with a worldwide rescue that's unprecedented since the foundation of the world only days, or perhaps even hours away, there'd be all sorts of chatter in the comments section of the TNRS blog. But it's pretty quiet. Very surreal.

Anonymous said...

In 18 days, Charlie will be totally unmasked as being the false prophet that he is. Every one of his so called predictions has failed. He's had his, totally undeserved, 15 minutes of fame. The Archbishop has spoken, and quite clearly. Charlie's predictions repeatedly fail; he breaks his word and fails to 'quit the scene', after his repeated failed predictions, and he keeps moving the goal posts, subsequent to each failure. Nobody, not even Charlie or Mrs. Hesse, can spin their way out of this ongoing fraud, in 18 days.

I can't fathom why this nonsense is given any attention by anyone, other than those who have been accurately described as his cult members. I wish Catholics would be happy in the Sacraments, the sacramentals, and genuine Catholic prophecy. The fact that so many souls followed this con man is what deeply troubles me. Also, demons are almost certainly at play here, and in 18 days may well turn on Mr. Johnston. He needs deliverance, at minimum.

Anonymous said...

I come not to proclaim a Storm. We are living the Storm – and near the entrance to the fullness of it. I come to proclaim a Rescue – and to call you to participate in it, to prepare the way. Choose or perish. I have told you true.
04/16........yeah, ok.

I chose to take the next right step and dump this nonsense. As was sated above, Charlie has 18 days to be proven false, but this is very, over - generous. The Presidential prophecy failed, and Charlie rationalized both this HUGE failure and his subsequent return.

His alleged 'rescue' was only supposed to occur AFTER WW3 (with China), global civil war (fought along cultural & religious lines), and general economic meltdown - none of which have occurred. NONE, as usual. So, Charlie moved the goal posts, yet again, to now proclaim that the 'rescue' by Mary is occurring first, within the next 18 days? Sigh. I hope the cult members at TNRS at least stop embarrassing themselves and will have the honor enough to shut down their blog in 18 days. Ah, Charlie may well receive brand new & improved 'instruction'.

It wasn't 2017......it was 2027! I'm sorry, but honestly!

Fred Keyes said...

One can imagine a string of CJ predictions that begin to look like the failed prophecies but tenacious, if erroneous faith of Jehovah's Witnesses. http://www.bible.ca/Jw-Prophecy.htm

Something that I meditate on these days (forget where I read it) is that God's will is expressed in two ways: Positive accomplishments of His will and negative things that happen that are allowed by God for the purpose of letting us know those things from which we must repent and firmly decide to avoid in the future. A lot of the negative is objectively sinful; what is subjectively sinful we can only judge in ourselves--the subjective guilt of others is between them and God.

That we vigorously discuss what is *objectively* true should not bother anyone. We just need to stay away from ad hominem trolling.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't there a prophecy about 26 million people dying in the storm? I suppose there could be a nuclear war in the next few weeks. Or maybe that prophecy was conditional?

Anonymous said...

The latest comments on the TNRS blog are about a Garabandal movie being released early next year. Why would they care about Garabandal prophecies when the Rescue is just a few days away. If we are rescued by the BVM and living in Marberry, how does Garabandal fit in? Who would be interested in a Garabandal movie post-Rescue?

Glenn Dallaire said...


Not to split hairs so late in the game, but for those doing the Rescue prophecy countdown, I would point out that Charlie did not say that the Rescue would occur before Christmas 2017, but simply late in 2017, so I would say that Jan 1, 2018 is the definitive cutoff date.

Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

I must observe that the overwhelming majority of comments on this blog have been rigorous criticism of Mr. Johnston's nonsense predictions, all of which have failed. Charlie equivocates, spins, won't give a straight answer, and has been consistently wrong, every turn. My point is that these observations, although often quite rigorous at times, have NOT been ad hominin attacks. By putting these ridiculous predictions out there in the public domain, Mr. Johnston automatically subjects his absurd predictions to strict scrutiny - and his predictions can't withstand strict scrutiny. Charlie keeps moving the goal posts, and making excuses as to why his predictions have been one hundred percent inaccurate thus far. In 18 days he's way beyond irrelevant. He's demon deceived. This is NOT personal, it's strictly business - Charlie has misled a lot of people!

PS This is the ancient heresy gnosticism, i.e. secret knowledge.

Anonymous said...

Ammendation to above: Correction - it's 17 days, not that it really matters. Definitely the ancient heresy of gnosticism, i.e. secret knowledge.

Anonymous said...

In 16 days, Charlie will be revealed as demon deceived. Every single prophecy has thus far failed, and this will mark the second time within a year when another one of his huge predictions will have failed. Additionally, WW3 with China; global civil war, global economic collapse, the setting up of internment camps in America, and the toppling of governments all have not occurred, as usual.

Archbishop Aquila has spoken, and quite clearly. We should all listen to the Magisterium, which has ruled very much against Mr. Johnston's so called prophecies, despite Charlie's attempted spin on that ruling also.

I would simply ask Mr. Johnston to have enough honor to shut down his blog, TNRS, come January 1, 2018. He can't spin his way out of this one, nor should he even attempt to, as he has so many times in the past. He should also try to discern how best to deal with the demons, who have been posing as visitors from heaven. Deliverance may well be needed here.

Fred Keyes said...

"But heaven knows, since the dawn of time, there have been those among us who exploit every disaster to push their ideological agenda." --From CJ's posting today.

Yoda fashion, I stroke my chin and say, "Hmmmm." :)

Anonymous said...

Even more interesting to me is Charlie did not mention The Rescue. We are two weeks out, and yet his alleged biggest event in history doesn't merit discussion. It seems Charlie himself doesn't believe it will happen.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous above, the Rescue is no longer being pitched as a singular discrete event...rather it is a process that has already begun.

Joseph J. said...


While Charlie and/or his followers can now TRY to repackage the so called "rescue" as some sort of ongoing process, its not possible to do so simply because this was supposedly a direct heavenly angelic message that Charlie himself insisted many times was not negotiable. He has insisted that he was told by his "angel" that the rescue would be a worldwide miraculous appearance of the virgin Mary that all of the people in the world would witness sometime in late 2017. In fact, Charlie even stated that his "angel" went so far as to correct him of the timing of this miraculous event, when Charlie mistakenly surmised that it would occur sometime between Oct 13-19, but his angel strongly rebuked him saying that it would occur in "late 2017". So, its not even remotely possible to repackage such a prophecy into some sort of process.

Anonymous said...

An angel "strongly rebukes" him for thinking the date of the Rescue was in October? Why wouldn't the angel simply say "No, you have the date wrong...it will be in December."

Glenn Dallaire said...

To clarify the record in reference to the two comments above, here is the exact quote from Charlie given to Michael Brown (courtesy of Spirit Daily):

"The sequence of ever-deepening chaos will continue until mid-October of 2017," he asserts he was told by the Blessed Mother. "Despair will reign throughout the world. Then, between October 13-17 of 2017, the world will be miraculously, utterly, and visibly delivered from the terror by the Intercession of Our Lady the Immaculate Conception. Christianity will be reunified, Satan will be shackled, and the world shall enter a glorious period of peace and harmony under the rule and protection of the one, triune God."

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As stated by Joseph J. above, several times on his blog Charlie has stated that after the Michael Brown interview his Angel corrected him concerning this date range, saying that the Rescue would come in late 2017.

-Glenn Dallaire

Glenn Dallaire said...


And for the record here is the "rebuked" comment from Charlie:
charliej373 says:
May 3, 2016 at 1:36 am
I once said sometime October 13-17, 2017 for the Rescue…I think I was quoted on it in Spirit Daily about 12 years ago. Shortly thereafter, my angel solemnly rebuked me, saying he had only said late 2017 – and I had over-interpreted. So I am very careful about that now.

Fred Keyes said...

Charlie's predictions and his whole ideological bent bear the marks of thinking usually associated with conspiracy theorists. These folks are capable of twisting logical thinking into pretzel-like arguments that are impervious to rational rejoinders or discussion.

If you point this out to a conspiracy theorist, their first response is that those who disbelieve are victims of "normalcy bias." When challenged once, Charlie actually said that on TNRS.

Glenn Dallaire said...


And careful readers will note a discrepancy in the two separate quotes I provided above:

In the Michael Brown interview, Michael Brown quotes Charlie as saying the message concerning the Rescue was given to him by the Blessed Mother, HOWEVER in his comment on his blog some 12 years later he states that the prophecy came from his Angel.

Its possible of course that Michael Brown got the quote wrong, but given his lifetime experience as a news reporter and author it is not very likely I would think.

Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

Glenn, I don’t necessarily see a contradiction. Maybe the Blessed Mother told the angel to tell Charlie. Therefore Charlie can say that the message came from the angel and he can say that the message came from the Blessed Mother.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Good point! Thanks Anonymous. That is a possibility I did not consider as I was thinking exclusively of whom was the original source of the purported message.

Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

Anon@10:22,

I cannot remember any authentic apparition in which the Blessed Mother sent Gabriel with a message to deliver from her. Angels precede her appearance at times, but I think only God the Father sends angels with messages.

I agree with Glenn that Michael Brown isn't likely to have made such a big mistake in his area of expertise. If Brown did, I am sure Charlie would have corrected him at the time. No, Charlie's story changed is the simplest explanation: Charlie made it up, and got mixed up when relating the story over time. No one who actually saw the Blessed Mother would make that kind of mistake!

Besides, the archbishop of Denver told Catholics not to attempt to reinterpret Charlie's statements to make them correct.

Fred Keyes said...

I agree Anon at 8:22, Occam's razor at work.

Fred Keyes said...

Not 8:22....Anon at 8:42. (I sure miss an edit feature...)

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Why is Charlie false.

One main reason why Charlie is false is because we are all waiting until the very end of the prophecy. It's kind of like the guy on sports radio talking about the Toronto Maple Leafs and their playoff hopes every year, stating every year it's the same thing we talk about the Leafs fighting for the last playoff spot every year, is that what we can expect from the Leafs year in and out fighting for the last spot ( and never making it ), shouldn't we have higher expectations for the Leafs like fighting for the Number 1 Seed.
Isn't that a lot like Charlie, waiting until the very end for his prophecies to be fulfilled, hanging on and on and on until the last second of the time frame, shouldn't we expect more from Charlie, obviously we do at this site, but his followers don't, they're waiting for Charlie to edge into the last spot in the playoffs as the season nears ending with time running out. Remember there are 12 days to go and I still don't see any signs or hint that the Virgin Mary is coming and judging by the lack of numbers of comments only the core remains.

Another reason why this prophecy is going nowhere is that Charlie's message was to be spread far and wide. It has failed to do that. The first failed prophecy or whatever it is called did not do anything positive for the cause. I don't hear anyone in any circles talking about it. If Our Lady was to come she picked the wrong person to promote it. Charlie has ticked way too many people off. Our Mother would not pick someone of Charlie's ilk.

Jackisback said...

Hey Fred, you are spot on with your noting the irony in CJ's quote that you cited. Also on point was something else CJ said in relation to his recalling an "event" (emphasis in bold is mine):

When I walked in this time and told my story, the sergeant on duty asked me when it had happened. I told him late April or early May of 2012. He put my name in his computer and there the report was – May 6, 2012. One of the deputies who had helped was on duty, so the sergeant called him in to the station and we had a nice chat and reminiscence. On that leg, I recalled how treacherous memory can sometimes be. There was one spot I had made camp at that was vivid in my memory…but the same memory had wrongly placed it in Texas. Ha! It can be a little disorienting to see something you experienced not quite as you remember experiencing it.

It is not a very large leap from CJ's admission of a failed thought process here for a reasonable person to then question whether CJ's "memory" about "visitations" might be so faulty as to make the debate about the ordinary 50-50 chance that they ever actually happened at all tilt toward a "more unlikely than not" analysis (i.e., 51%+ probability that the visions/visitation never actually occurred).

Particularly unsettling is the prhase the same memory had wrongly placed it in Texas, as I have always found it odd when writers communicate their own experiences in the third person - in this case CJ also employs the writing technique of "personification" of his memory, as if it had some sort of an independent nature from him.

Regarding the "rescue event" being morphed into a "process", this is moot. CJ has long referred to it as "both." Because he has argued it is "both" he is accountable for "both parts" being actually true. In the post he wrote just prior to this most recent one, he doubled down on the claimed "rescue locution" being an "event," a "particular moment in time" that will in fact occur before the end of this calendar year.

So when that piece of the "both" claim fails, the claimed locution will have been shown to be false and CJ will once again bear the responsibility for having spoken presumptuously and in this particular case it is absolutely, positively, a case of blasphemy according to CJ's own criterion - "attributing to God" something that CJ merely "wanted to believe." No amount of holding on to the fall-back position of the "rescue" being a "process" can alter the first outcome.

If any have doubts about CJ's description of false witness/blasphemy, or that he attributed the "rescue" event to God, I encourage you to re-read CJ's prior posts on the matter, especially his posts Modern Day Prophecy dated July 24, 2014(just press control-F and type the word "blasphemy" in the search box) and From the Father, dated September 1, 2014 (in which he refers to a "vision" experience he claims occurrred on July 5, 2013 - note the date; CJ clearly has an obsession with July 5th). Note the dates of the posts involved. CJ writes about his standard for the bearing of false witness/blasphemy on July 24, 2014 and then relates the "memory" of his July 5, 2013 vision on September 1, 2014. The close proximity of these dates should give pause to anyone who may now attempt to claim that, when a "rescue" fails to occur before January 1, 2018, CJ is not guilty of bearing false witness and blasphemy by his own standards.

I am neither an accuser nor a judge. I am simply an observer, a reader of that which CJ wrote.

Jackisback said...

Oh, and Glenn,

Sorry to disagree or to, as you put it, quibble, but I must affirm L. Spinelli on this point about Christmas and when the "rescue" was purported to occur in "late 2017" by CJ. Go back to the very first post on TNRS dated January 14, 2014, titled The Old Order Passes (bold emphasis is mine):

Next year the world enters its passion, the time when the old order fully passes away. We have three Christmas seasons of deep and desperate strife ahead of us. And then, if the Son of Man finds a few who still have faith on earth, the Christmas after that, in 2017, will be a joyful celebration of resurrection – joy that what seemed the end was actually prelude to a new beginning.

If that is not CJ proclaiming the "rescue" will occur before 12/25/2017, what else could he be attempting to communicate?

Anonymous said...

Charlie has been proven to be a false prophet, over and over again. In 13 days, a second, huge, failed prophecy will be apparent, within one year. Charlie never answers a direct question; continually moves the goal posts, spins, and becomes both obsessive and combative.

In 13 days, he'll be totally irrelevant. Take the next right step, and stop feeding this nonsense. Dump him and his cult in the dustbin of history. I hope, come new years day, Charlie will be honorable enough to at least shut down his blog. But, being an egomaniac, who feeds off the totally unwarranted attention he's received, I bet he'll invent a way to justify why he's needed. Let me guess, your 'angel' told you so, and you in turn have told us true. Oy vey!

L Spinelli said...

Jack, thanks for finding the backup to Charlie's assertions about Christmas. It's kind of ironic at this point in time, late December 2017, that he kicked off his blog and public mission with those assertions. (I've grown to strongly dislike that word because of Charlie’s overusing it. Contemplate is another one, along with posit and some others.)

My guess is the few remaining TNRS people were expecting the Rescue to happen on the 8th or the 12th. Now with just six days to go until Christmas, what else can Charlie write about except the stream of consciousness babble that's his latest post?

Confused said...

Here's a prediction: Charlie will post again, after New Year's, with no apology and no remorse. He may talk more about "process" and claim something in the news is a sign of Rescue but a subtle one, with layers of meaning... He has sullied the reputation of Opus Dei, the Daughters of St. Paul, FOCUS TV, and individual followers, but he will never acknowledge that. He will not take his blog offline. He may even wait for a bit, and attempt to launch another public tour.

I hope Archbishop Aquila slaps him down once and for all, but I'm not optimistic.

Anonymous said...

He'll reappear after new years day, 2018, count on it. He never merited these 15 minutes of fame, ever. He won't give them up. Facts and failed record be damned, he'll do exactly what confused said he will do. He won't address his failure, nor will he apologize. He'll keep his cult going, but will lay low for a few weeks (his m.o.), and then reappear, with a slightly different twist. But for sure no apology or explanation.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Thanks Jackisback, LSpinelli and others. Great points.

As to the cutoff date for the predicted Rescue, I suppose that I am personally being "generous" in extending the cutoff date to Jan 1st (actually Dec. 31st at midnight, to be precise). If such a miraculous event was to occur during this final week, then I guess we will need a team of mystical theologians and canon lawyers to investigate and determine the ramifications of the two apparent conflicting dates (ha, ha!).

Thanks everyone for your ongoing comments and sharing your perspectives.
Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

Mr. Johnston will be wrong for the second time within one year regarding a MAJOR prediction. Actually, that's inaccurate. He's been wrong far more than twice, and keeps changing or seriously representing his predictions. Let's see, he predicted:

26 million dead;
WW3 with China, a 'bad actor';
Worldwide civil war, along racial & religious lines;
Worldwide economic collapse;
No presidential elections;
Internment camps;
Mass conversion of Muslims.

No to all of the above. A lot to ask in just 12.5 days. Please, let's dump discussion of this fraud. It's pathetic how Mr. Johnston won't vanish and close his blog / cult, TNRS. He didn't deserve any attention, ever.

The real story here is why so many Catholic Christians fell for his nonsense. He's one hundred percent wrong. The Archbishop's office spoke, telling Catholics not to attempt to interpret his failed predictions as somehow true. Sacraments and sacramentals / devotions are all we need, folks.

Bemused said...

To anonymous above,

Charlie may be wrong on the specifics you cite, however his followers will point out that he has been right in the grand sweep of things.

What's more, Charlie says that many of the prophets have been correct on the substance but wrong on the timeline.

Anonymous said...

Chris says:
December 16, 2017 at 5:55 pm


You’re trying too hard to make your prophesy accurate. It isn’t working. Go ahead and delete this. I want you to. It proves my point.

Beckita says:
December 18, 2017 at 12:10 pm


Well, Chris, yours is not the only comment flying by for moderation which plays the taunting game in these days. Albeit, yours adds an additional game layer: the illusion of control over whether such a comment warrants clearance. No worries here. I have great confidence in the wisdom and discernment of this team of moderators. Now, for all who are so afflicted in the ways you express, I remind us of the Comment Policy found here.

What IS working is God’s Plan… just as He wishes to unfold it while we, who are so blessed to have found our way to our TNRS community, continue to focus on the preeminent message of this place: acknowledge God and take our next right steps so HE can make of us a sign of Hope in this current and ever deepening darkness.

As for Charlie, he has demonstrated that he IS an honorable man and I need not elucidate, for the evidence of this is written all over the pages of the archives at this site and it is pressed in the hearts of all the ones he has encountered while making visits throughout this country. In the exodus of our times, for which God has chosen each of us to live, we have been mightily blessed via the mission and message which Charlie bears. Here, I think of the following words in which Charlie describes what occurred during his visits throughout the summer of 2015 and which encapsulate what we have been about on this site:

Some have insightfully said that I was busy training sub-sherpas to help keep people steady under great trial. This is it exactly. I spent those four and a half months raising troops to the Lord – troops who would not go seeking a battle, but would help those around them, defend the faith, hearten the faithful and defend the faithful. Troops who would support the Church Christ founded, working as loyal subjects, defending that Church from all assaults from without – even as they exercised their right to debate within the Church. People who would treat the Church as the true Family of God – and defend it with the zeal of true sons and daughters. You are those troops. I come back refreshed, confident that as things get darker, you will get steadier and more solid. I have met laymen, theologians, canon lawyers, priests, deacons, pastors and bishops who I rejoice to say are firmly resolved on their course to defend the faith, hearten the faithful and defend the faithful.

With the Promise of Rescue at our very threshold, a mere breath away, Charlie has conveyed: “Now that the Red Sea is before me and Pharaoh’s Army closing in from the rear, I will hold my head up and wait upon the Lord.” It is a complete privilege to stand in solidarity with Charlie, head raised with eyes on the Lord in these days of waiting.

TNRS Friends, I let this one through to address the others who try to get through. I sincerely smile in the face of comments, such as this, which have come our way. Usually, I would trash it for it really doesn’t meet the criterion of the comment policy. I smile, *not* in contempt, but in hope and prayer that such attitudes will be washed away in the beauty of the Rescue. Our Lady never comes empty handed. Our Mother feeds us with Her Son’s Graces at times such as the Rescue. Perhaps, then, those who taunt will beat their swords into plowshares, for there will be commensurate opportunity for each of us to press on with whatever God is asking us to do.

Finally, I need to witness to the fruit of drawing especially close to Our Lady in these days of Advent. I set out on this path of intensely seeking Her during this New Advent and she has brought such indescribable Joy. Ave Maria! Maranatha!

L Spinelli said...

This lady is in deep, deep denial. She's going to need good counseling from her priest when this is all over.

Jackisback said...

Not much to say except to keep praying sincerely for her and all the incorrigible TNRS followers.

Anonymous said...

To Anon a few post above. Charlie has been right in the grand sweep of things....? Really? Look at the nightly news. We surely don't need Charlie to tell us the world is in rough shape. Please. Charlie is consistently wrong & has misled many, but he notes that the world is a mess, so he's ok? Umm, nope.

Anonymous said...

Jack, In addition to praying for the poor misguided souls of Charlie's followers, you could send your thoughts on Charlie to the archdiocese of Denver and ask for a statement ruling his alleged visions and messages not supernatural. The email address for the archbishop and chancellor is on the website.

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston has less than 12 days left now, for his second HUGE prediction, within a year, to fail - as usual. In fact, it's far more than two failures, but for the sake of brevity, I'll mention these last two. Charlie's long record of failed nonsense won't matter to his cult. He'll lay low for about two weeks and then reappear, no doubt having received new and improved 'instruction' from his 'angel'. His cult, TNRS, will spin it by saying something like God's ways are simply unknown to us; any specifics will be avoided. They'll add that Charlie has been correct about the overall direction / trending of world events. Of course, this is utter nonsense. We all know well what bad shape the world is in. We don't need Charlie and his fabricated nonsense to tell us the obvious. One needs only to look at the nightly news. The Archbishop really should put a stop to this in January, 2018. Enough is enough.

Anonymous said...

Charlie has less than 12 days left. Then his second, HUGE prediction, within one year, will have failed, as have all of his other predictions. As noted above, his cult, TNRS, has misled many. Will he shut his blog down? No way. Why? Charlie basks in the attention he has, most undeservedly, received. He'll lay low for a few weeks, and will then reappear, after no doubt having received new and improved 'instructions' from his 'angel'. TNRS, his cult, will say something like we can't know God's will, but will avoid any specifics. No apologies or explanations will be forthcoming. After all, what can they explain? Charlie is either a liar / fraud; delusional / mentally ill; demon - deceived, or any combination thereof. He'll be one hundred percent wrong, as usual. In any case, he must be shunned and ignored. I hope Archbishop Acquila acts to censure him in early January, 2018. Enough is enough.

Anonymous said...

Charlie predicted:

– The continued toppling of governments throughout the world, including that of the U.S. The toppling of a government does not mean the nation shall fall.

– The confrontation with and fall of political Islam.

– The mass conversion of most Muslims

– The confrontation between the Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China.

– The alliance between Russia and the U.S. to lead the Judeo-Christian world to endure the confrontation with China.

-Then, after the 5 things above comes the miraculous "Rescue" through the Immaculate Heart of Mary SOMETIME IN LATE 2017.

Two prophecies that happen shortly after the 'Rescue' ARE the unification of the faithful into one flock under one shepherd, and the building of the Shrine of thanksgiving for the Rescue on Mount Meeker in Colorado.

All in 11.5 days??? Uh - huh. I hope the Denver archdiocese acts soon to stop this nonsense.

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