The Presidential prophecy- An update on Charlie Johnston

A triumphant Trump inaugurated amidst some bold predictions
***IMPORTANT UPDATE
January 20, 2017: 
With the successful inauguration of President Donald Trump comes the unfulfilled conclusion to both parts of the alleged angelic “Presidential prophecy” of Charlie Johnston, namely that Obama will not finish his term and the next leader will not come from the political system (ie.-not elected), as detailed in the article below. It was a bold two-part prophecy that has now ended in a double fail.

When one claims to be a prophet of God, one’s life and most especially one’s prophecies are automatically held for scrutiny before the court of public opinion. In this court of public opinion, the preponderance of the evidence is what often initially sways one’s opinion, yet there eventually comes to pass certain very important matters for discernment, such as key prophecies, which depending on their eventual turnout, will considerably authenticate, or invalidate, the purported mission and message of such persons.  And when one compares the alleged angelic ‘Presidential prophecy’ against today’s successful inauguration, the conclusions to be drawn are self-evident.  

With the above being said, one would strongly suspect that today’s inauguration, which by all appearances completely invalidates the first formal public prophecy of Charlie Johnston, will likely be one of these aforementioned key matters for discernment that will have a decisive impact in judging his purported prophetic mission and message for a good many people.  For if a prophet is judged by his prophecies as the saying goes, then today’s failure of the purported angelic ‘Presidential prophecy’,  as detailed in the article below,  will for many persons surely bring with it an unfavorable judgment in what concerns the prophetic mission of Charlie Johnston. 

For in his blog post "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
"...If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

And again, concerning today’s inauguration, for his part Charlie has also declared in his post entitled “Election day” on November 7th that:
 “…If, on January 20, Obama peacefully transfers power to either Trump or Clinton, I will declare myself unreliable and retire into silence.”  

With this pledge, one finds that today’s inauguration will bring with it not only the end of Obama’s term, but also the end of Charlie Johnston’s public blogging, speaking engagements, and future predictions, at least for a time, though the loss of credibility from today’s events will likely be permanent. 

And I say "for a time" simply because of Charlie's recent comments on his blog concerning the possibility of today's failure of his "Presidential prophecy", wherein he recently speaks about the possibility of being "recalled" by God into a silent, private period for some sort of remedial prophetic discernment re-training "for a time".

Nevertheless, for those who in good faith spread amongst their family, friends and coworkers Charlie's prediction concerning "Obama not finishing his term/next leader not coming from the political process", and who are now left feeling much like "the boy who cried wolf", one can only presume that any possible future prophetic predictions from Charlie will be given little or no credence, if not outright opposition by many who have followed his work and message, as is perhaps justifiably merited by today's developments. In the end, it is up to Archbishop Aquila of Denver to make any formal judgments concerning Charlie Johnston's private revelations.

As for this writer, I can say that while I have always been reluctant to highlight purported LIVING mystics and visionaries, I am even more so now after these recent events.

May God bless the United States of America, and all of humanity.
-Glenn Dallaire, January 20, 2017


Charlie Johnston during a recent FOCUS TV interview
The final days for the possible fulfillment of a purported Angelic prophecy 

By: Glenn Dallaire

Jan. 7, 2017 -Vigil of the Epiphany
Many readers of this website are familiar with the original article that I wrote back in January 2015 entitled  "Charlie Johnston -An alleged prophet with a critically important message for humanity".  In it I discussed at length Charlie's purported prophetic mission and message, along with a short biography of his life. And for the past two years it has been one of the most popular articles on this website.

Additionally, when the Archdiocese of Denver came out with a Statement in March 2016 concerning Mr. Johnston I published an article here discussing it.

The Presidential prophecy
In the past week, the comments beneath that original article have exploded (there are now currently a total of 770 comments), as has my email inbox, with most everyone commenting specifically on the angelic prophecy allegedly given to Charlie, which I have named "The Presidential prophecy":

"What I was told in the Spring of 2008 was that Barack Obama would win that year's election, that he would not finish his full term, and that the next stable national leader would not come from the political system."

The obvious reason for all of the recent attention to this specific alleged angelic prophecy is the upcoming scheduled Presidential Inauguration scheduled for this January 20th--just 2 weeks away from this writing. For his part, just yesterday Charlie published an article entitled "A Decisive Conundrum" which addresses this matter, in part.

This particular prophecy is the first of a series of alleged angelic prophesies concerning the world that are to occur mostly this year (2017). And since we are delving into this subject of alleged "Angelic" messages given to Charlie, it should be pointed out that the Angel whom has purportedly visited Charlie from childhood is the Archangel Gabriel, as was specifically revealed to Charlie during one of the "visitations". The other predictions that Charlie insists upon are highlighted in his article entitled "Go Forth". In it Charlie reveals eight worldwide events that are said to occur::

"I only have eight public prophecies that I insist on. Only the visible, miraculous Rescue by Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception in late 2017, is time sensitive. Five things must happen between now and the Rescue, but can happen at any time during that period. They are:

– The continued toppling of governments throughout the world, including that of the U.S. The toppling of a government does not mean the nation shall fall.

– The confrontation with and fall of political Islam.

– The mass conversion of most Muslims

– The confrontation between the Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China.

– The alliance between Russia and the U.S. to lead the Judeo-Christian world to endure the confrontation with China.

-Then, after the 5 things above comes the miraculous "Rescue" through the Immaculate Heart of Mary sometime in late 2017.

Then there are two prophecies that happen shortly after the Rescue. They are the unification of the faithful into one flock under one shepherd and the building and location of the Shrine of thanksgiving for the Rescue on Mount Meeker in Colorado.

Together these predicted events constitute for humanity what Charlie calls "The Storm"--a series of events which he states is already well underway. As of today (January 7, 2017), the most obvious observation concerning the prophesies above is that time is really running out for them to all happen before the miraculous Rescue in late 2017. Thus, from an intellectually reasoned perspective, it is probably readily apparent to many that such predictions are already a failure, given the time-frames involved for such things to occur in "real" time. But then, who really knows just yet? For God is not limited by our human constraints and He is always full of surprises.

It should be noted that the "Presidential prophecy" is NOT part of the eight public prophesies that Charlie insists upon. I don't know what bearing that may have, if any, in the upcoming days and weeks.

"God has appointed that this be a sign to you"
In his article "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
"If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

Of course for now the big question at this point is whether or not the purported angelic prophecy concerning Obama not finishing his term/next leader not coming from the election process will come to pass as foretold in the remaining two weeks before the scheduled Presidential inauguration on January 20th. And the obvious implication in the opinion of many people is that this prophecy is key in determining whether Charlie is truly an authentic prophet, or not. For as the saying goes "A prophet is judged by his prophecies", or as Scripture tells us:

"And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not fear him." (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

For his part, Charlie has stated numerous times that if this particular prophecy concerning Obama not finishing his term were to fail, with the presidency successfully transitioned to Donald Trump, that he will post one last post on his blog, then go away:
Charlie Johnston during a presentation in July 2016
charliej373 says:
"If there is a peaceful transition of power from Obama to Trump, I will go away. If there is not, be not afraid, God has a plan."

or again:
 charliej373 says:
December 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm
"Now, as I have said, if the inauguration goes on without incident, I will go away. "

or again:
charliej373 says:
"Certainly, if we have a normal inauguration a month from now, I will retire from the field, for that prophecy will have been objectively wrong. I take full responsibility for that. But it won’t change what you are called to do.

Noting that I do and will take responsibility, your standard would require you to dismiss St. Joan of Arc as a false prophet for the times she erred on saying how the battle would go – and many of the Old Testament prophets who were often off on their timing, sometimes by years. I do not say this to try to justify any error on my part. I strongly urge you to examine yourself and consider what God calls you to. But yep, a month from now if we have a normal inauguration, you can give me a big old thumbs down."

charliej373 says:
January 8, 2017 at 9:21 pm
"If the inauguration comes off, I will leave the public scene, because that is what it means to honorably take full responsibility. "

And so, even though this "Presidential prophecy" is not one of the eight public prophecies that Charlie insists upon, according to several statements he has made he does believe that if it fails to come to pass as foretold, this would be significant enough to merit and declare himself "unreliable" and "leaving the scene". Time will soon tell how things turn out. For his part, Charlie has "laid it on the line", so to speak. We need only wait, watch and pray. Events, or the lack thereof, will reveal the truth concerning Charlie's purported private revelations.

Given all of the recent interest in this particular prophecy as of late, along with the popularity of the original article here on this website concerning Charlie Johnston, I thought I would publish this new article so that those interested can comment on this matter freely and directly here. As always, all comments are published immediately on this website, without moderation. I only ask that commentators be charitable and considerate in their comments.

***UPDATE: FEBRUARY 16, 2017: Archdiocese of Denver: "Statement on false claim regarding Charlie Johnston’s messages"

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Fred Keyes said...

Anon @ 7:36, economic collapses, the threat of war—even nuclear war, and all the other disastrous things Charlie predicted are risks that we have been living with for a long time. If one or more of them happen Charlie and Co. will surely take credit for being right, or at least that they got the grand sweep right. And if nothing like it happens, well, they've already walked far enough away from the predictions to keep their base.

One thing I absolutely believe about Charlie J. is that he is a first-rate political operator. Have you ever noticed how successful politicians are able to explain every position they take or expertly walk away from positions they can no longer be identified with? Just so Charlie—he ducks and weaves like a crafty boxer. Palookas beware.

Anonymous said...

Anon above, Maybe Chaz is not all in, like Beckita, and is hedging his bets! I did not listen to the last podcast but I feel Charlie J. is using his children here because he wants to change the subject from his prophecies not working out and he does not want to answer any questions, like about what is going on in the Church with the Pope, as someone said above. I am sorry his daughter has addictions but her Dad's podcast is not a place to discuss them.

Fred Keyes said...

Anon. on 9/29/17 @ 10:29PM:

A quote moments ago on live TV:

"No question the Russians were trying to interfere in our election. That's not a question that's unresolved." —U.S. Senator James Langford (R-Okla.)

Senator Langford is on the committee investigating the Russian attempts to influence the election. Republicans, including the very conservative Langford, are in the majority on this committee. The open question is whether and to what extent Americans gave aid to the Russians in their efforts to sway voters. How much proof do you need that what the Russians did was substantive?

IMO, Charlie was either suckered into treating the Russians in a decidedly friendly way or was part of a conspiracy to make Trump look attractive.

Jackisback said...

Fred,

Not that it matters all that much, but I'm fairly sure that I remember Charlie going on record with his "Russia will become our ally" meme well in advance of Trump declaring his candidacy. I will double check.

Anonymous said...

Is this the same Senator Langford who in 2013 voted against Hurricane Sandy relief because it wasn’t fiscally responsible, but when a tornado hit Moore, Oklahoma, an aide for Langford said budget worries were “the furthest thing from his mind right now.” Suddenly, federal disaster aid was OK (ha! ha!). I could go on and on and on, this guy's credibility is about as good as a fox guarding a hen house.

However, with that said, who were the Russians favoring - Trump or Clinton? Don't forget the Russian government and some oligarchs gave money to the Clinton Foundation to the tune of millions so Hillary's state department allowed the sale of Uranium One to the Russians who now control 20% of the uranium in the USA and of course Uranium One owned by the Russian government gave 2.35 million to the Clinton Foundation. And of course this is the tip of the iceberg, it gets worse. So yes the Russians interfered in the US but did it change the result - as their favorite Hillary - lost.

Anonymous said...

Charlie did say that the Russians will be our allies. However, other notable people have said the same. This is nothing new. We already work with the Russians in NASA, the International Space Station and military drills within the US.

Fred Keyes said...

Jack, I try not to be a conspiracy theorist and I recognize that nothing has been proven about whether the Trump campaign cooperated with the Russians. Nor is anything known with certainty to what extent the proven Russian incursion into the campaign succeeded in affecting the vote. But the complexity of the Russian attempts shows that their planning necessarily took place well in advance of Trump's announcement. And Trump's connection to the Russians as well as his ambition to run for president happened well in advance of his announcement as well.

That Trump struggles so mightily to distract from the investigation or kill it altogether certainly raises eyebrows. If he knows how innocent he is, why not cooperate fully and let the doubts evaporate for lack of evidence? It doesn't mean he's guilty of anything (or that Charlie is in any way connected to all of that) but if Trump's not guilty he's idiotically caused unnecessary angst.

Charlie as I've said is a first class political operative. As such he no doubt is part of a network of professionals like himself. I'm sure they keep each other informed and sing off the same sheets of music. I did that myself with a network of the people who had the same kind of job that I did across the country; there's nothing unusual about that but it explains how networks can be penetrated and subtly directed toward nefarious ends. We live in a new age of mass communication that's subject to intrusion and manipulation.

Anonymous said...

While his faithful followers Beckita & Co. scour the web looking for signs to show Charlie's Storm is about to burst on the world, kill 26 million, lead to war with China! Charlie himself is "attending to his duties," which apparently means being a crank who pitches his crazy ideas on comments pages of blogs.

From 8 days ago, on Townhall story "The Suicide of the NFL". This may be his next career move,


Charlie Johnston • 8 days ago

Ah, but now there is a great business opportunity. I bet already some clever entrepreneur is working to create the "Patriot Football League." Alternative football leagues have been tried before - and failed. Now there is a window of opportunity that could deliver the coup de grace to the NFL. Normal Americans love football...and love patriotism. Can't get both from the NFL. Opportunity knocks.

Fred Keyes said...

Charlie ranted when Colin Kaepernick took a knee. To me anyway the brouhaha is just nuts. Kaepernick was protesting injustice, not the flag or the good things about the country that the flag represents. It was the equivalent of flying the flag upside down--a sign of distress. Who can fail to sympathize with an entire race that feels it is judged to be dangerous in too many circumstances just because of the color of their skin or their accent?

I sometimes wonder if the Jehovah's Witnesses don't have a point in refusing to salute the flag because they consider it idolatry. I don't agree that the flag is an idol but supposedly loyal Americans come very close to treating it like one.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the NFL, this is a case of when you're too successful your greatest enemy is yourself and it appears the NFL is imploding from within. Someone told me long ago why watch sweaty men chasing a ball, he told me he watches beautiful sweaty women chasing a ball - who is getting the better deal - I thought he was nuts - it was the Lingerie Football League, now called the Legends Football League ( LFL ). After years of putting up with the NFL and all their shenanigans I switched over to the LFL. It's just entertainment and the LFL outclasses the NFL, switch to the LFL - I love it! No one is forcing you to watch the NFL.

Kapernick was not protesting injustice, when he started the previous years he didn't take a knee. This started in 2016 because the 49ers were not going to play him because he had a guaranteed contract in 2017 that if he got injured in 2016 the 49ers had to pay him 16 Million for 2017 whether he played or not. Since he wasn't playing he at first was not dressed in uniform for the first few pre-season games the next pre-season game he just sat on the bench, however as soon he released the 49ers from the 2017 deal he started playing again.

The NFL gets money from the US Army to stand - millions - prior to this deal in 2009 most of the players stayed in the locker room, it was up to the team if they wanted their players on the field during the anthem, after 2009 the players were required to be patriotic.

Fred Keyes said...

President Trump's comments last night where he called reporters back to a photo op and repeatedly said his generals represented the "calm before the storm" must have tickled the ears of Charlie's true believers.

Anon @8:27 PM, if you're not a Russian troll you fit the profile pretty well. The Legends Football League? Really? Not-so-subtle way of getting under the skin of red-blooded American men, right? Nice try.

Fred Keyes said...

I suppose Trump's "calm before the storm comment" doesn't fit Charlie's narrative in that if this is the "calm before the storm" then the storm hasn't started yet.

We need to pray unceasingly for this president.

Anonymous said...

Fred, here's a post for you from Crew Dog with Beckita seconding the sentiments, on the podcast post,

CrewDog says:
October 4, 2017 at 9:47 am


Let’s start out with a Happy Sign!:
Archaeologists in Turkey believe they have discovered Santa Claus’s tomb
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/04/turkish-archaeologists-believe-have-discovered-santa-clauss/

Sadly ;-( … Happy Signs seem hard to come by These-Days except, of course, in Our Everlasting Faith 😉
It is not hard to figure out, now days, that the same folks who overtly & covertly, support, defend and partake in AntiFa, BLM, Occupy and NFL “Protests” are the very same folks that despise Traditional Christians/Jews, Constitution/Bill of Rights and the Founders who left us with those Documents and their Faith in The Almighty. These “Protesters” want the Power to Rule and the Power to Oppress/Suppress those that would stand in the way of their hedonist pro-Abortion/Perversion lifestyles and godless Socialist BigBro Gubermint.
I’ll Say-Again! Election 16 was a Ft Sumter Moment and the Signs of Civil War II become more frenzied and apparent daily. The age of instant communication and “Social Media”, Demoralized/Demonized Police, Just in Time Delivery Systems and Urban Areas that form the transportation/electrical/energy crossroads for our Just in Time Economy can make for a Perfect Storm of serious unpleasantness in short order …… and those once productive/prosperous Urban Areas now filled with the misled angry-n-ignorant-n-poor citizenry, demoralized Cops along with a surplus of the worst criminal and corrupt political classes …….. all connected with Made in China devices seemingly attached to their left hands ;-( …. and it’s World-Wide!!




Beckita says:
October 6, 2017 at 7:43 am


Amen, Crew Dog. I especially appreciate your links which remind us that the civil war, in which we Americans are now engaged, is a worldwide reality… just as Charlie saw more than twenty years ago and conveyed to his spiritual directors: a worldwide civil war fought on cultural lines.

Anonymous said...

Funny I thought the same thing about you Fred - I figured you're the troll - a typical Marxist Troll - never any facts, full of bluster, never addressing an issue head on and demeaning people who have an issue.

Fred wake up - the NFL is entertainment pure and simple, read the back of the NFL ticket "it is for entertainment purposes only", the NFL even stated it in court, go to the thefixisin.net for further details, a site by a red blooded sports crazed American from Wisconsin who is the foremost expert on sports fixing with tons of proof.

Fred Keyes said...

Aye, Anon @ 10:20PM, that's ad hominem (my troll comment) and I apologize.

What I think is undeniable is that divisions in this country have grown so sharply in the last year or so that it is entirely credible that new methods of unfettered communications have allowed bad actors to sow hate and discontent, and very few of us have risen above it.

Anonymous said...

I know that some of Charlie's followers check this blog.

Here are my questions for you, since it's impossible to get a straight answer from Charlie:

1. Charlie told us the United States would appoint a Regent to govern the country. Where is the Regent?

2. Charlie told us there would be war with China? Where is the war?

3. Charlie told us a false Catholic leader, his angels called Menses, would rise and deceive many if not most in the Church. Where is Menses?

4. Charlie told us the United States would form an alliance with Russia against China. Where is that alliance?

5. Charlie told us the United States economy would collapse and money would be worthless. Where is the economic collapse?

6. Charlie told us that governments around the world would collapse. Where are all these collapsed governments?

7. Charlie told us that as a result of a worldwide collapse of the economic and political systems that we would return to a barter system. Where is that barter system?

8. Charlie told us that Islam would fall and there would be mass conversions to Catholicism. Where are these Muslim conversions?

Charlie also told us there would be a worldwide rescue by the Blessed Mother in 2017. There are only 83 days left in 2017. Does Charlie still believe all this will take place in the next 10 weeks?





Anonymous said...

We've been trying to get answers from Charlie's followers for years on this site - good luck.

Besides, he's reinvented himself, well sort of, he's pushing the mantra that the only thing he said that was for public consumption was the rescue - that's it. However, even after he said this - him and his followers are talking about all sorts of other "poppycock" because that's what it is. After Charlie told people they were full of "pure, unaltered poppycock", the man has turned into it - "pure, unaltered poppycock", he should never have come back, he's making himself look even worse.

Anonymous said...

On October 8th Beckita said this in response to Dave and Joe:

"To call Charlie a prophet is exactly correct and he is obedient to legitimate Catholic authority over him. As I said, and now emphasize, God chose him and I am eternally grateful that Charlie gave his fiat."

Let's see the prophets: Paul the Apostle, Philip the Evangelists, Noah, Zachariah, Samuel, Isiah, Anna, Charlie Johnston, John the Baptist, Barnabus...hold on Charlie Johnston?, let's back this up a bit - Charlie Johnston - a prophet? How did his name get on the list? Look at these other names and Charlie Johnston makes the cut for his followers - that's outright blasphemy.

Fred Keyes said...

No doubt the Johnsonites have a hopeful eye set this week for Friday, October 13——the 100th anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima. I'm hoping a movement will begin to dry up current day false prophecies.

Anonymous said...

I don't remember Charlie Johnston calling for a worldwide civil war on cultural grounds at all!! He said everything would be in chaos, there would be violence and confusion, economic and political systems would crash. Beckita is scaling back his predictions to make it seem like they come true. I don't even think Charlie Johnston's group can be called Catholic anymore since they don't follow the archbishop.

Bemused said...

To anonymous above...

The scenario that Charlie painted early on was a world in absolute crisis with tank rolling down the streets and people being ushered into FEMA camps.

Here's a snippet from his April 2015 post entitled: Whatcha Gonna Do When They Come for You?

In the first days as people were brought into the camps, care would be solicitous and freedom of internal movement assured – the better to get word out that this really is a compassionate effort to move people to safety. That would encourage initial resisters to come in voluntarily while confusing those who need to be taken forcefully and make it less likely they would seriously resist…while keeping alive the illusion among public safety workers that this is a genuine compassionate emergency.

Your window of opportunity to flee would come with the first announcement of where to report to be taken to safety. At that time, monitoring of specific neighborhoods would be loose, almost non-existent. If you drive, be aware of any routes to relocation centers that have been marked out publicly. Officials would be watching for vehicles moving in a contrary direction and stop them. If that happens to you, cooperate and go back in whatever direction you are told. You will get an opportunity to pull over and leave the vehicle at some point, perhaps even go back to your home under the pretext you have to pick one more thing up – then leave on foot from there. Such routes may not be marked out at first, but if they are, expect that your ability to escape by car will be difficult, perhaps impossible.


But then sometime in 2016 the predicted civil war, as articulated in "Whatcha Gonna Do When They Come for You?", switched to a war that was fought "along cultural lines."



L Spinelli said...

@Anon 10/8, 10:22 PM

"To call Charlie a prophet is exactly correct and he is obedient to legitimate Catholic authority over him. As I said, and now emphasize, God chose him and I am eternally grateful that Charlie gave his fiat."

Beckita is just as delusional as Charlie by this point. How can she say any of this after Charlie was fooled by something "not of God" for EIGHT YEARS unless she is just that?

It's October 10. Charlie and TNRS are out of time. (The Rolling Stones song with that title is stuck in my head right now.) I figure TNRS will fill up the next 81 days with more podcasts about nothing in particular.

Fred Keyes said...

With respect to timing:

Charlie gets the benefit of the doubt with respect to the timing of his "rescue" when he's given to the very end of 2017 for it to occur.

I was late to the Johnston story but the impression I first got was that he was expecting the Rescue to occur either in conjunction with the 100th anniversary of the Fatima apparitions or perhaps on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. At this point the days left for those two occasions are 2 and 58 days respectively. Not nearly enough time for all of his other fraudulent claims to come to pass.

The ability of human beings to fool themselves seems limitless. (I include myself in this category; fooled myself often enough to be always wary of it happening.)

Jack Gallagher said...

Well said, Fred.

At one point CJ was "definitive" about how this particular Christmas was going to be immensely joyous, because it would be post-rescue, and we would have realized the beginning od "a thousand years of peace." But as always, CJ has since moved the goal posts yet again. I predict the next goal post to be moved will be the rescue itself, followed by CJ's July 5, 2018 retirement date.

Anonymous said...

Written October 12, 2017.

Charlie Johnston is a false prophet and most probably a fraud. I can’t guess with complete certainty if he is a fraud / liar, delusional / mentally ill, or deceived by demons. However, it really doesn’t matter; he’s any combination of the above. He’s now wrong – yet again. He’s racking up quite a collection of totally failed, so - called prophecies:
• He predicted that there’d be no peaceful transfer of power.
• He predicted that Barack Obama would extend his term.
• He predicted that President Trump wouldn’t be sworn in.
• He predicted that the next American leader wouldn’t come from the normal electoral process.
• He predicted we’d witness this as a sign from God, so we would believe.
• He predicted that during the period from October 13 to October 17, 2017, we’d be totally, visibly & miraculously delivered via the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Really unlikely.
• He predicted that virtually the entire global population would convert to Catholicism.
• He predicted that our infrastructure would be broken down & we’d be simplified.
• Wrong on every prediction; that’s a perfect record!

We must note that he has been forbidden by his Archbishop to speak at any
church – owned properties and his followers have twice been strongly advised by the Archdiocese to, first, place their faith only in Jesus, the Scriptures and the Sacraments, and, second, to avoid trying to interpret his failed prophecies as valid. The Magisterium has spoken. Period. Yet he still publishes articles on his blog, ‘The Next Right Step.’

Additionally, he has a cult - like following, which troubles me greatly. He claims
to say simply that everyone must take the next right step and be a sign of hope to those around them. Obviously, we don’t need Charlie to tell us to perform acts of charity towards others, especially when the world is in dire straits, which we can all clearly observe by simply viewing the nightly news, i.e. gay ‘marriage’, global wars, etc. Thank you for stating the obvious, Charlie.

I have nothing personal against Charlie, who’s a fellow Catholic. Yet, significantly & deeply troubling, he used his alleged supernatural “prophecies” to initially attract and subsequently maintain, & actually augment, what has evolved into a cult – like following. He obviously basks in the attention. He also repeatedly scrubbed negative comments from his blog, allowing only supportive ones from his cult members to remain. Finally, he attempted to spin a clear smack down from two separate Catholic Bishops, the Archbishop of Denver and the Bishop of Bismark, into something positive.

He’s been proven to be a complete fraud yet again; has been proven false numerous times, and must be given no more platform, ever! Yet, despite his repeated false and failed predictions, he has the unbelievable audacity to continue to post articles on his blog ‘TNRS / Abraham’s Journey”. He has quietly returned and posted numerous articles on his blog, despite his promise to vanish from the public scene if he was proven false – which he has been. He quietly returned, clearly for his own selfish and egocentric reasons. At least have the honor to vanish.

He, his blog, and emails from ‘TNRS / Abraham’s Journey’ should be shunned. The next right step must be to add Charlie to the dust bin of failed prophets & complete frauds. Prayers for those whom he hurt, deceived & misled - and for him. Charlie, and his dubious intentions, remain in our Rosary. Ave Maria, Stella Maris!

Jim Dooley PhD Dukes2352@AOL.com

L Spinelli said...

@Jim, he also claimed that the Blessed Virgin gave him the October 13 - 17 dates. He later claimed "his angel admonished" him for that and said it would happen in late 2017.

How come he has heavenly beings mixing up their stories? Oh right, because they aren't.

http://www.spiritdaily.net/johnston2.htm

"The sequence of ever-deepening chaos will continue until mid-October of 2017," he asserts he was told by the Blessed Mother. "Despair will reign throughout the world. Then, between October 13-17 of 2017, the world will be miraculously, utterly, and visibly delivered from the terror by the Intercession of Our Lady the Immaculate Conception. Christianity will be reunified, Satan will be shackled, and the world shall enter a glorious period of peace and harmony under the rule and protection of the one, triune God."

Fred Keyes said...

People of reason cannot deny that the lie has been put to Charlie and his predictions. I don't know of course to what extent Charlie believes his own nonsense; that's between himself and his Maker.

I still see him more determined to push his politics even when those views run contrary to the teachings of the bishops of the U.S. This morning I read his missive, "All Things Are Being Revealed" in which he presses the idea of self-defense in a way that the NRA is surely happy with. Never mind that the teachers the Church has given us teach otherwise. See: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/274235-catholic-bishops-call-for-gun-control-mental-health-reform

Why is there a tendency in the U.S. Church not to listen to its bishops first? Why are they not the go-to experts on Catholic teaching? Why do so many Catholics gravitate to false prophets who do not have the charism given to those ordained by Christ and his Church to lead us? Why do we not recognize *Christ's* voice?

Anonymous said...

Fred, I also wonder if Charlie believes his own predictions. With only 77 days left to New Years and Mayberry, why is he talking about the possible formation of a Patriot League to replace the NFL? If the triumph of the Immaculate Heart takes place in the next 10 weeks I’m sure the kneeling during the National Anthem will take care of itself.

L Spinelli said...

I came to the conclusion a while ago that Charlie likes (loves?) to hear himself talk.

I was wondering when he would comment on the Las Vegas tragedy. He would make a great spokesperson for the NRA. (I'm pro RESPONSIBLE gun ownership, I'm for strict background checks, and NO ONE needs semi automatics. I'm probably too middle of the road for the likes of Charlie and his cult.)

He did a great job of swaying people over to his far-right views by claiming that he talks to heavenly beings regularly - i. e. they would support his views. He was never rebuked for them, even though they do indeed run contrary to those of the Bishops, as Fred noted, and the Pope himself.

L Spinelli said...

Looks like he made a bunch of home visits - flying under the radar, since he didn't publicize them until today - with more scheduled in November and December.

Fred, what you said about people more willing to listen to people who claim they speak to Jesus, Mary or the angels than the Bishops is perfectly illustrated by these home visits. (And why, why, why would anyone risk opening up their home to a demon if that's indeed what Charlie was talking to all these years?)

L Spinelli said...

One more (fairly obvious to Charlie's critics) point about these home visits: he can say anything he wants, because there's no record of the visit (that we know of - I doubt any of them were taped, unlike the "Birmingham Dinner" one). Who knows what he's telling people? Is he making wild claims again, which the authorities in Denver will never know about?

Anonymous said...

In the comments section under Charlie's latest screed, another new comment asking about the Rescue. Beckita answers:


Beckita says:
October 15, 2017 at 10:40 am


Welcome to commenting, Mike. Charlie has both written and spoken on the Rescue since his return to the site for which we are so grateful. Please, have a listen to Episode 3 in the podcast series which includes mention of the Rescue. The link is here. To answer your question: Yes we have a Rescue coming at the end of this year. We can recall, naming this event required no interpretation on Charlie’s part. He initially resisted giving a specific time frame. St. Gabriel insisted that Charlie do so.

So apparently what Charlie told Michael Brown ... never happened? How do they go ahead and forget things Charlie insisted on, on the record, just a few years ago? He wasn't resisting talking to Spirit Daily, was he?

Anonymous said...

There was a very interesting article by By Phil Lawler posted on Oct 13, 2017 that I just came across.

I, for one, expected the Conversion of Russia to fit my expectations. If Lawler is correct, God has fulfilled that prophecy, but in a way many (including me) didn't expect.

Perhaps the same is true with Charlie's predictions? Here's the article:

The conversion of Russia: maybe not as we expected it

All through the Old Testament and into the New, God surprised his People. We shouldn’t be caught off guard, then, if He still has surprises in store for us today.

Elijah encountered God not in wind or the fire or the earthquake, but in the small still voice. [1 Kgs 19:11-13] The Messiah came on the human scene as a mighty warrior but as a defenseless baby. Jesus did not rise to a throne but to a Cross. Time after time, the expectations of the faithful have been confounded. God tells us what to expect, but we put his message into our own tight little categories, and in the process we miss something critical.

I’m reminded of this all-too-human weakness today, on the 100th anniversary of the apparitions at Fatima, because I am one of the many, many Catholics who misunderstood Our Lady’s message. I expected that the global struggle against Communism, the great worldwide political battle of my lifetime, would be resolved by some great, epic struggle. It was not. When the Soviet regime fell, it was defeated by the small, still voice of a people who refused to accept the legitimacy of the regime. The Berlin Wall was torn down not by tanks, but by young people in a party atmosphere. The great battle that I expected never came to pass.

Or was there a great battle - a spiritual battle - that escaped public notice? There were, after all, all those people praying the Rosary, in accordance with Mary’s wishes.

And now we wait for the promised conversion of Russia. If we have learned from experience, we should not be too surprised if that conversion take an unexpected route. The Catholic News Service has just released a short (30-minute) film, Faces among Icons, that reports on a spiritual revival in Russia. It is not the revival that you and I might have predicted. It is taking place most noticeably in the Orthodox Church, for one thing, rather than among Catholics. The relationship between the Orthodox Church and the Russian government is problematic, as it has been so often in the past. But something is stirring.

I’m not saying that this is the answer to our prayers. I am saying that it’s worth watching.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget, anon@9:01, a key difference:

Fatima is a CHURCH-APPROVED apparition, whose participants are SAINTS (and saint-to-be). The Blessed Mother there PREDICTED AND DELIVERED a world-shaking undeniable miracle of the sun.

Charlie is a man discredited by his archbishop who has had NO ACCURATE PROPHECIES. The church, in a statement, said he is NOT approved, and Catholics should NOT ATTEMPT TO REINTERPRET his predictions to make them true. In other words, don't spin Charlie's record.

Anonymous said...

...or lack of record..

L Spinelli said...

Here we go again... Charlie's predictions about North Korea are in the lead story on Spirit Daily today.

Talk about irresponsible journalism! Did Michael Brown forget the February statement from Denver? What about all of Charlie's other failed prophecies?

Why are people giving this man any reason to keep spouting his nonsense when his "sign from God" prophecy flopped nine months ago?????

Snowy Owl said...

The Prophecy of Simeon (Luke 2:34-35)
+And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary his mother: Behold this child is set for the fall, and for the resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which shall be contradicted; And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed.

Ask the Holy Spirit to open your hearts and your eyes. Ask in humility and it will be given to you. Praying for all of you here.

L Spinelli said...

Hey Snowy Owl:

I did. Back in 2015.

I got more than one sign that Charlie was false.

It was the reading of Mark 13:24-32.

The deacon warned people at that Mass about false prophets and false apparitions.

L Spinelli said...

P. S. Love how Charlie's supporters come here to quietly chide us for challenging and questioning him, but they can't answer the questions posed on October 8 about where the Regent is, where the collapse is, where Menses is, etc. with just 76 days to go until 2018.

Anonymous said...

So did Pope Benedict: "Today too it is necessary ... to warn the People of God against false prophets, against the errors and superficiality of proposals that do not conform to the teaching of the divine Master."
Pope Benedict XVI

Anonymous said...

Hey Charlie followers,
Does Charlie remind you of Harvey Weinstein? Sexual infidelity/'full-service' dating, threatening legal action, career threats to bloggers who might oppose, need for the limelight, quick temper, humiliating others (or example, his treatment of those who questioned him on his blog). Running Oscar campaigns is similar to Charlie's Charm Offensive of going to all sorts of Catholic blogs and introducing himself and chatting.

Oh, and constantly changing his story when things don't turn out as he predicted? Last normal Christmas, Obama staying in office, FEMA camps, million man march on Washington???

Anonymous said...

Remember "beware of wolves in sheep's clothing" - even the Bible warns us.

Glenn Dallaire said...


I would just like to point out in somewhat of a defense of Michael Brown and the article mentioned above that is on Spirit Daily today, one should note that nowhere in the article did Michael mention Charlie's name, though it is obvious of whom he is referring.

As for myself and this website, since the Presidential prophecy fail back in January I have declined to post any new articles concerning Charlie, not wanting to encourage or in any way promote his writings or predictions any further, though I have left, and will leave, the articles I have written up for informational purposes, and especially as a sort of warning for all of us who in the future might investigate and inquire about such persons.

Finally, since I personally have not commented on this subject in quite a few months (though I do read all of the various comments posted here) I have pointed out several times the old saying that a prophet is judged by his prophecies, and that the fulfillment of Charlie's predictions, or lack thereof, will speak entirely and wholly for themselves. And for those keeping score thus far we currently have 0 fulfilled prophecies, and 2 failed ones. And with some 75 or so days remaining for all the rest of the predictions to come to fulfillment, things certainly aren't looking so good at all for fulfillment for most if not all of them, that's for sure. In fact, at this point it would take almost a miracle for any of the remaining prophecies to come to fulfillment before the end of the year, except maybe a war with N. Korea, which seems at least at this point to be somewhat of a remote possibility. And a war with China, while plausible, certainly does not seem to be on the horizon.

-Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

So in the last few days what has happened - Russia is not the culprit in the US election hacking - it was the evil Kim Jong Il and North Korea! ( and the media doesn't tell you they actually did hack the South Korean military and got the war plans for invading them ).
It was the evil Iranian empire who hacked the accounts of MPs from Britain!
Funny thing though it is almost impossible to track where the hack comes from.
I still do believe the North Korean potential war is a diversion, it's Iran that is in the cross-hairs.

Glenn Dallaire said...

And for those keeping track of Charlie's alleged prophecies, here is a refresher of the eight public prophecies that have purportedly been given to Charlie as revealed in his article entitled "Go Forth":
"I only have eight public prophecies that I insist on. Only the visible, miraculous Rescue by Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception in late 2017, is time sensitive. Five things must happen between now and the Rescue, but can happen at any time during that period. They are:

– The continued toppling of governments throughout the world, including that of the U.S. The toppling of a government does not mean the nation shall fall.

– The confrontation with and fall of political Islam.

– The mass conversion of most Muslims

– The confrontation between the Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China.

– The alliance between Russia and the U.S. to lead the Judeo-Christian world to endure the confrontation with China.

-Then, after the 5 things above comes the miraculous "Rescue" through the Immaculate Heart of Mary sometime in late 2017.
Then there are two prophecies that happen shortly after the Rescue. They are the unification of the faithful into one flock under one shepherd and the building and location of the Shrine of thanksgiving for the Rescue on Mount Meeker in Colorado."
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Jackisback said...

L. Spinelli, Fred, Glenn, et al,

I just read the Spirit Daily "article." It was full of tautologies. I agree with L. Spinelli on one point of it being "irresponsible journalism," and that has to do with the failure to mention that Charlie claimed that the "storm breaking through North Korea "locution" had long ago been fulfilled, already, in 2008. His "angel" even had to figuratively elbow Charlie in the rib cage, telling him well after the fact that the storm had already broken in NK. So that is irresponsible right there.

Spirit Daily makes a common error - conflating something happening now with something claimed to already have been fulfilled in the past. Charlie has claimed that the storm began a long time ago. So whatever is occurring in NK now, one cannot characterize it as fulfilling the "storm will break through NK" locution. Charlie has not revealed a locution about an actual military war between NK and any other natio - nor between China and any other nation. Charlie never has revealed a locution claiming NK would commit some massive act of war against the U.S. (e.g., the "EMP" threat).

Charlie only said he was told the storm would break initially through NK, but would not be "centered" in NK.

The Spirit Daily piece conflates the "storm breaking through NK" with Charlie's later discussions of a "crash" - a description that Charlie has often referred to as the "fullness of the storm." Charlie is NOT on record claiming that NK would be at the center of the so-called "crash" - a mostly financial crash, where currency became worthless and we are forced into a barter economy ("and you may have to flee"). If there is war with NK in our future, Charlie has NOT revealed such a thing in any actual claimed locutions. Charlie was adamant that NK would NOT be the "center" of the so-called "storm." If NK was not to be the "center" of the "storm," why would anyone have reason to expect it to be the "center" of a so-called "crash?" There was supposed to have been a "confrontation" between the "Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China." I don't see how the world could be described in such terms. We have already had a visit by China's premier Xi to the White House. China, of late, appears to be trying to do what it can to prevent an escalation with NK. China' regional disputes vis-a-vis man-made atolls in the South China Sea are novel, but not at all unexpected, and fail to be characterized as a "confrontation" with the "Judeo-Christian world."

The "crash" was supposed to ramp up a so-called "world wide civil war fought along cultural lines." The only events that come close to this description are the continuing disputes between China and the Vatican - where China is "appointing" bishops to the above-ground version of the "Catholic" church in China (men devoted to trying to Sino-ize the Church in China) and the Vatican is trying its hardest to ignore this - and also to ignore the cries for help from the under-ground, faithful, Catholics, who would like their bishops to be appointed by Rome. This friction predates Pope Francis, but based upon news sources, China appears to be winning this public relations war (a Chinese newspaper reports a visiting Vatican official - in late July/early August 2017 - as saying that the Pope "loves China").

How can anyone expect the "Judeo-Christian world" to survive a "confrontation" with the governement of China if the Vatican appears to be not-so-unwilling to let the Chinese government have its way?

Mary H said...

Jack, you should convey your concerns to Michael Brown himself. Spirit Daily has long posted sloppy articles on visionaries and I doubt he gets much intelligent push back.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Excellent points Jack, especially vis-a-vis Charlie's statements concerning N. Korea. That is am important clarification that you made.

As a side note, when it comes to N. Korea, I am really hoping that President Trump is not really going to be that foolish to actually engage them militarily, for that would be an absolute humanitarian disaster, likely leading to hundreds of thousands, if not millions of deaths.
Thanks as always for your comments!
-Glenn

Anonymous said...

Spiritdaily has become a "commercial" dog, like SNOOPY at Christmas time, as lamented by Charlie Brown. Lots of lights and decor, but no substance anymore. I don't know who runs the show there now, but it is not the web site it used to be. It's often filled with health stuff, mainstream media bites from AP, CNN, Fox, etc., that have nil to do with Catholicism, and even sometimes anti-Catholic articles, as if no one is even checking the content. JMHO, folks. On a side note, I'm shocked that Charlie is still getting "interest," albeit it negative. Charlie is the proverbial blind squirrel who finds a nut sometimes. North Korea? Come on. NK has been a major problem for 20 years. Nuf is eNuf..

Jackisback said...

Thanks Glenn. I echo your sentiments on military action. However, I live close enough to the west coast to actually have an interest in preventing a nuclear tipped missile from ever being launched from Pyongyang in our direction. There is also the "small matter" of defending Japan, the Phillipines, etc. Our nation, having witnessed the effects of two bombs dropped on Japan in WWII, and having felt horrible about it ever since (despite the fact that it ended the war quickly and stopped the shedding of American blood) has a particularly special duty to protect Japan in this regard. Otherwise, even our allies in the region will want a nuke device of their own for deterrence purposes.

The good news is that, as I follow the developments, I see no evidence of us pulling our civilian population out of South Korea - which would be the biggest harbinger of soon-to-follow military conflict.

Any President of the U.S. would be in a tough spot. If we wake up one morning, and a nuclear explosion is occurring, anywhere on the planet (well almost anywhere other than North Korea), and it is determined that the Kim Jong Un is responsible, we will all rightly look to the Oval Office and ask: "how could you allow that to have happened, when it was in your power to prevent it?"

Augustine's "just war" writings are too much to handle on this blog, so I stick with the simple imperative that we have a duty to stand between an evil doer and the targets of his attacks.

Anonymous said...

Charlie is a complete fraud & false prophet. I really am at a loss for words as to why people continue to feed his ego. Obama didn't stay in office; the transition of power was peaceful; no storm or rescue ever occurred; no FEMA camps appeared; no war with China; no financial collapse, and, now, the one hundreth anniversary of Fatima has passed without incident. Every single so - called prophecy has tanked. Why are people even acknowledging this fraud? Why?

Anonymous said...

Michael Brown, of Spirit Daily, just lost some credibility by referencing good ole Charlie Johnston, although his name is omitted. Charlie is a fraud; has been proven totally false via numerous failed prophecies, and has been forbidden to speak on Church property by two separate Bishops. None of his so called prophecies has come true! Why does anyone, ever, give this quack a forum?

Anonymous said...

Take the next right step - dump Charlie Johnston in the dust bin of history, where he belongs.

Anonymous said...

Anon @1:01,

Charlie's name is not completely omitted, Michael Brown included it in the tag below the article. But most of his readers will know who Brown is referring to. It's amazing Brown didn't remember he'd interviewed Charlie Johnston a few years ago and Charlie said everything would be over and we'd be living the Rescue by this time in October 2017!! Also Charlie wasn't just refused permission to speak at churches, the archdiocese said his visions were inaccurate and told Catholics not to condone them or reinterpret them, even thought that's exactly what Brown was doing. I wonder if Brown contacted Charlie or Beckita for his story? For shame! Glenn is a much much better reporter than Brown ever was.

Anonymous said...

Paul writes.......

Charlie Johnston is still posting on THE NEXT RIGHT STEP, despite his promise to leave, should his prophecies prove false, as the have so proved over & over. Yet, he came back. His cult still believes. I wonder how he'll spin things, come new years day, 2018? He'll probably simply ignore his failures, as he has all along. He'll make a vague reference about having been slightly off, as he did the last several times, and move forward posting his rants about whatever suits him, with his cult of followers. The Magisterium has clearly spoken about this fraud. Why is anyone still entertaining Charlie Johnston? That is the more important question, which we must ponder. The fact that there exist so many lost Catholics is deeply troubling to me. He's proved false, and his cult are still hanging on. Bayside, Maria Divine Mercy, and Loqutions to the World come to mind.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Hi Jack,
In regards to the situation with North Korea, my thinking is that the USA has for a long time been essentially instigating this whole affair through our excessive military presence in this region. Why not let China and Russia handle this matter, since they both share borders with N. Korea and it is in their own "backyard", so to speak? One has to ask why it is that in recent decades the USA always seemingly has to get involved in the affairs of countries on the other side of the world (re: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan etc..)? Are we not now currently living in a multi-polar world at this point, with other countries having similar economic and military strengths? We here in the USA seem not to want to accept the fact that American military dominance and hegemony is now over, and that other countries like China and Russia (countries outside of NATO, for example) have the military and economic power to execute significant and equal roles to play in world affairs---most especially in their own regions. After all, what is it with the USA's self-appointed policing of the world, appointing ourselves as judge and jury of world affairs, entering sovereign nations like Syria and Libya with our military, without any invitation to do so by the leaders of these sovereign nations themselves?

In short, one has to seriously question whether it is in fact the USA's own excessive military presence in S. Korea, Guam and the region over recent decades that has actually heavily instigated N. Korea's excessive military and nuclear buildup up to this point. Nevertheless, I say we let China and Russia handle it (hopefully) through diplomatic means, given they both are the major trading partners with them, lest we set off a spark that ignites into a conflagration with human losses beyond our insight and expectations.

-Just my .02 cents, for whatever it is worth.
Glenn

L Spinelli said...

Michael Brown just referred to Charlie AGAIN, even though his name wasn't mentioned.

http://blog.spiritdaily.com/news-links/isis-on-verge-of-collapse

The TNRS cult is ecstatic over this one. But wait! That wasn't what Charlie prophesied...

http://www.spiritdaily.net/prophecyupdatejohnston.htm

When everything "explodes," a Muslim jihad will be in the first series of events, he believes...

ISIS may be collapsing, but there was no jihad.

Why are they trying so hard to prove that Charlie is for realz? It's really sad and grasping at this point.


Anonymous said...

Of course there was a jihad, L. Spinelli. You just missed it!

Charlie's followers and enablers are not in this to be forced to abide by your standards of rationality. It doesn't matter what he said in the past, as long as he has some explanation -- conveyed to him by St. Garbriel, natch, although in layers -- they'll buy it.

Actually, I believe this is a bunch of angry right-wing people (Beckita is a pretty angry woman under all that Church Lady patter) who want/need to feel they are at the center of things and connected, somehow. Despite what Charlie says they desperately want to be led and "affirmed." He affirms them, he says what they want to hear. They are so needy that they stay on. Despite moments of enlightenment, such as Steve BC's, when he realized the whole Rescue mythology didn't hold together and had to be rejiggered. He's still there. What will they all do in 2018? The same thing, God help them.

How sad that Charlie, Beckita and Steve cloth themselves in piety. They discuss the ideas of Msgr. Charles Pope and Victor Davis Hanson when those rational men would never fall for an instant for a wannabe like Charlie Johnston. Sad!

L Spinelli said...

This is what Charlie actually prophesied. He said a collapse would happen in late 2014 (it didn't), then we'd have the "procession of leaders" (to be followed by the Regent, which he didn't reveal for another two years. None of it happened!), then confronting THE WHOLE of Islam, not just IS.

Wrong!

https://charliej373.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/be-not-afraid-god-has-a-plan/

When final crash comes (and as I said, it is imminent. Do not be deceived even if things smooth out for a month. It is here), there will be a period of utter chaos for, I believe, about four to six months. I know very little of the detail of what happens in this period. Just that it is entirely chaotic, all the props are pulled out from under us. This will be a very dangerous period. But the truth is, after the initial convulsions and during the state of disorientation, the greatest killer will be panic. Be deliberate about the decisions you make. You may need to hunker down, you may need to flee. But be deliberate in what you choose. You won’t be able to drive events, but don’t let them drive you. Your goal during this time is to endure. Devote yourself to helping those around you then. It is not just for their good: it will protect you from panic and may save your life. Know that after a time, order will rise again. It will be different from the way things have been, but it will be real order. During this period of chaos, I know little more than you do about what I will do. But just as if I were in a canoe navigating the rapids, I will be both deliberate and decisive. Endure.

God’s Plan

Once order rises again, there will be a period of transition. There may be several upheavals in leadership before we finally reach some form of stability. This could last a month; it could last a year – or a little more. I realize that, with all my experience of these things, I have estimated the time needed for certain things as man measures it, not as God does when His hand is moving. Things I thought must take significant time can happen at lightning speed when God acts. Once some vestigial stability is reached, the first order of business will be to raise a shattered nation – actually, a shattered civilization, off its knees. Restore some confidence by putting it back to real, productive work. Get it going so it can be prepared for the civilizational challenges ahead. Once that has been done, Islam must be confronted and defeated. The surprise there will be how quickly it falls once it is taken seriously and confronted. Helping will be Our Lady of Tepeyac, the Mother of Conversion. There will be a mass conversion in Islam, largely driven by its women, that will eclipse the conversion of the Aztec Indians when she first came. But it will not begin to happen until we take it seriously and confront it directly.

Jackisback said...

Glenn,

Libya, I'll give you, and maybe even Syria. But, you really ought to read up on Korean History. Trusting Russia to handle things is precisely how Truman's complete withdrawal got us into this mess in 1949. To quote one statesman of 1952, who himself quoted the then late Senator Vandenberg: "appeasment is not the road to peace, it is only surrender on the installment plan."

That is what almost got the South Koreans annihilated by the Soviet led North in 1950 - which I daresay would have been a result not very much appreciated by the South, after having been occupied as a Japanese possession/territory dating all the way back to 1910.

Appeasement/surrender on the installment plan has been attempted yet again since 1994 (when the North first pledged assurance to a nuclear free Korean penninsula - and both the executive administrations composed of Republicans and the Democrats bear guilt in the events that have occurred leading up to today.

To my mind, it all depends on whether one believes that to keep our own freedom, we bear a "majestic responsibility" for freedom throughout the world. If you don't believe that, then by all means, abandon the 38th parallel, and prepare to rationalize away the results of that move. But I'm with that statesman of 1952, who begged us not to be deceived by the notion that the choice before us is between isolationism and internationalism, but instead, it is a choice between "policies that assume that responsibility [for freedom] awkwardly and fearfully and policies that accept that responsibility with sure purpose and firm will. ...The choice is between foresight and blindness, between doing and apologizing, between planning a improvising. ...For at this date -- any faltering in America's leadership is a capital offense against freedom."

Sorry, friend, but I cannot join you in your line of thinking here.

Fred Keyes said...

Jack, good points as always.

I really don't think the Vatican will ever allow China to have its way. I believe they're just doing the same thing they were doing under JPII--it's diplomacy at work--honey rather than vinegar etc. I think the aim is to get the Chinese to understand that the Church doesn't want civil power; it can work as it does elsewhere under different governmental systems as long as it has freedom of belief. Times have changed and Marxism has lost its economic sway over international communism. That leaves openings for other things to change as well. I do believe a "Constintinean" moment may be coming in the not to distant future.

Such a development would just destroy what's left of Charlie's prophecies, if there's anything to them at all.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Hi Jack,
Well, the point is its much too late now for the military option, for the time to have interceded militarily has long passed--if it was to be done, it should have been done decades ago--I say this because at this point the world has allowed them to amass a huge conventional force of armaments, without even considering their nuclear capabilities, which need not even come into play for an absolute humanitarian disaster to occur. As you know they are classified as one of the most powerful conventional militaries in the world. The fact is, any military engagement with them will immediately involve a conflagration of conventional warfare heavily descending upon S. Korea, with the heavily populated Seoul likely the epicenter. Early on, there is simply no military way to control or inhibit their huge conventional forces to any extent, except for an all out nuclear attack, which China nor Russia, let alone the entire world, would ever permit. There is no special forces "pinpoint" in and out option. There is no "shock and awe" option. There is no "EMP" option. The DMZ stretches way too long to immediately neutralize all of the forces along the border. There is left only the overwhelming force "outright attack", which would likely overcome them in the long run, but not without thousands of conventional missles and bombs launched into our forces, and into S. Korea, comprising a devastating artillery barrage that would undoubtedly leading to innumerable death and destruction on both sides. Hence, my point that it is already much too late for any military option.

But, since you seem to have the position that there is a military option at this point, I'm curious to hear how it is that you foresee such a military option coming to pass, given we are dealing with one of the largest conventional military forces in the world, standing at the ready with a very itchy trigger finger.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Jack,
And one other very, very important consideration---do you really think that China (and to a lesser extent maybe Russia) would sit back idly watching as we set off a massive military invasion of N. Korea--a sovereign country right along their borders? Has not China already stated publicly that they will defend N. Korea if we engage them offensively without just cause? I'm not exactly sure how Russia will react but I'm pretty sure China will not sit idle to such an offensive, so long as it is not provoked by some very aggressive and unmerited action of N. Korea.

Anonymous said...

For those wondering why Charlie and others and like him are still around you need to read this, it was posted previously: https://studygrowknowblog.com/2017/09/14/prophet-steve-fletcher-is-wrong-again/

Jack Gallagher said...

All points well taken Glenn. A conventional war would take an enormous toll on both sides. World war is, and always has been, a risk, the calculus of which has factored into all decisions of politics as well as political economy. Remember that Truman's excuse for complete withdrawal in 1949 was the fear of a renewal of world war that had just ended 4 years prior. Also remember that the Korean war has not technically ended - the armistice has always been an uneasy affair, and thought to be unsustainable, yet it has been sustained for 64 years.

I think it would be sustainable yet longer, but for the facts: the North has now acquired the tech to build and successfully test long range missiles (the last one could have reached Denver) and our CIA is attempting to discover if they have acquired the tech to miniaturize a nuclear warhead to fit. If they have done so, the armistice is over, whether one wants it to be sustained or not, because the madman Un will deploy it, if not in Denver, somewhere, most likely Seoul. There is no scenario of a new status quo, where the North steps back from the brink due to the rational choice of avoiding "mutually assured destruction."

He who believes that deceives himself, and commits a capital offense against freedom, and, against the innocent life Un wipes from the earth with his nukes.

The question, that is incumbent on all to face, is: if equipped with the knowledge of an actual nuclear missile in the hands of Un, are you willing to do something to prevent it from being launched, or will you be satisfied to watch it take off and land upon us or an ally, before taking any so-called "provocative action."

One can blame America for the situation that has developed over the last 64 years if they like. There are those in South Korea who would have had no liberty, or perhaps no life at all, during that span were it not for us. They might have a slightly different view of role in their lives since 1953.

China could put a stop to all this if they chose to, but they haven't, so far.

Jack Gallagher said...

Oh, and Glenn, responding to your other post about Chinese suppression of faithful Catholics, I see not a Constantinean moment, but rather, the very real possibility of our Pope caving in to the Chinese government's demands, all in the name of peace.

L Spinelli said...

@Anon 10/17 1:01 PM, you asked Why does anyone, ever, give this quack a forum?

Because Michael Brown encourages Charlie, whether he means to or not.

All Charlie has to see or hear is things like below, and he keeps going, in spite of Denver telling people in February that his prophecies, PLURAL, weren't accurate and not to revisit them.

This byline is on Spirit Daily, in bold and red:

AS PROPHESIED: ISIS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE

L Spinelli said...

Adding to my above comment:

A false prophet can get one thing "told" to them right while getting everything else wrong, and that one hit (never mind that it came from Screwtape) spurs them to keep going. Look at Maria Divine Mercy. All of her prophecies were wrong except the one about Benedict (prayers for him, he's ailing) stepping down and Francis' election. She was condemned in 2014. Yet she still has supporters because of that one hit.

You know what they say about a broken clock.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Michael Brown is giving aid and comfort to the crazies while ignoring an archbishop:


anna819 says:
October 17, 2017 at 2:09 pm

Beckita, Michael Brown also headlined an article titled “Seers and North Korea” yesterday. In the article he quoted remarks by Charlie without mentioning his name. It seems he is rethinking Charlie’s credibility.


Beckita says:
October 17, 2017 at 8:29 pm

Yes, Anna. I have noticed both days of Michael Brown’s coverage. It seems to me that Michael has simply kept his heart open to what God is doing. Michael is a smart, wise, discerning man who has read and studied many prophetic utterances of our times. I truly believe the day will come when all will understand with joy the good God is accomplishing through Charlie. Maranatha!

L Spinelli said...

Michael Brown also had quite a few misfires. If anyone would like to read about them, go to unitypublishing.com, the late Rick Salbato's site. It's a treasure trove of excellent research into what drives false apparitions. He was very critical of Brown and the fakes he promoted in this article: God Said, So You Have to Believe.

http://unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/God%20Said.htm

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston has a perfect record - of failed prophecies. 'TNRS' cult will spin his nonsense, no matter how many times he fails - which is every single time thus far. Despite the clear admonitions of two separate Catholic Bishops that he should be basically avoided, 'TNRS' cult will spin, ignore his failed predictions and promote some other nonsense. Michael Brown is seriously hurting his credibility by promoting this fraud.

Anonymous said...

I must wonder aloud, when 2018 arrives, how will 'TNRS' cult react? I suppose with more of the same nonsense. Charlie's predictions failed yet again, but our cult leader is aok. We need to have something, even an egomaniac & failed visionary, to believe in. I guess it's that simple, and that tragic. Poor lost souls looking for a savior. The real shame is that they don't focus their misplaced energy onto the Sacraments and Our Lord's Gospel.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Thanks for your replies Jack. For sure this matter concerning N. Korea is very grave indeed. It is really unfortunate for humanity that it was not dealt with much earlier--years ago-- because now the stakes for humanity are exceedingly high, no matter how it is handled. Let's hope and pray that at this point the right decisions are made.
-Glenn

Jackisback said...

L., thanks for the links to Salbato's website. It's a shame he's not around to catalog the current days' goings on.

I read with particular interest the explanations/arguments that he makes about the followers' conflation of so-called "good fruits" as "evidence" of authenticity of claims/visions of supernatural apparations. I have always felt that one was a non-sequitur of the other, but he explains in depth why that is so. He also touches upon something that rings true of CJ and his followers: the tendency of the followers to believe the seer irrespective of their own duty of obedience to authority, their duty of living orthodox lives, being respectful to all, and their duty of adhereing only to the faith as taught by the Church.

I found this segment particularly inciteful:

"...no one can disobey the Church and serve GOD, man lacks the wit to overpower and outsmart Satan's hordes on his own, and no apparition true or false can provide a soul more Grace and Wisdom than the Precious Blood of Christ received in the Most Holy Eucharist. Anchored in Christ's Blood no one will wander into curious realms of deceit. Content with "He Who can neither deceive nor be deceived" we shall truly become one. There is no greater truth than the Blood of Christ. God-loving souls need nothing but GOD.

GOD's revelations strengthen humility, obedience, patience and conformity to His Holy Will. The Devil's revelations beget pride, presumption and disobedience to GOD's Church on earth. A sure sign of a demonically-inspired seer is their seeking self-profit, glory and power over GOD's."
[emphasis in the original]

The sentence "God-loving souls need nothing but God" hits home. It has always bothered me that none of CJ's followers are troubled by his alleged locution that he insists was said by his "angel" in a fit of anger: "You must tell them true and they must choose or perish."

CJ's messages, the things he claims to report to us from his angel, must be believed, lest we perish? That is antithetical to the Gospel, for no modern locution in the form of a private revelation could be thought of as being the dividing line between life an death (whether physical or spiritual). Since the public revelation 2,000+ years ago, our physical death does not trouble us. Spiritural death is for God alone to judge, unless we are so fallen that the successors to the Apostles "hold our sins bound." But our sins will not be held bound by a Bishop or priesst based upon whether or not we believe in CJ's locutions. This particular alleged locution would require us to be obedient to CJ, not the Church.

Also, the sentence, "Content with 'He Who can neither deceive nor be deceived' we shall truly become one," is self-evidently true. But CJ's alleged locutions serve to divide. His followers have set themselves apart, and, as their writings prove, they hold us in contempt in their defense of CJ (an imitation of the most ignoble portions of CJ's writing style).

Anonymous said...

Jack,

That line ("...they must choose or perish") certainly would be problematic if the context was belief in his alleged prophecies, but I took the meaning as '...choose God or perish.' For clarity, do you have a specific post where it can be seen in context?

Your other points are well taken. If readers here had time, perhaps it would be helpful to review this old post (and comments section) from Charlie entitled "On Prophecy - and Lttw." https://charliej373.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/on-prophecy-and-lttw/ I found it interesting because Charlie and the readers on his blog were dealing with the failed prophecy(ies) of that alleged locutionist.

To be fair to Charlie, it was well written with some wise points. Later in the post he talks further about the alleged Heavenly visitors, then shares purported words from God the Father –– swinging readers full circle to his prophecies and mystical experiences. Are they authentic? Are they false?

Holy Mother Church through the Arch Diocese of Denver had her say. "Alleged," "prudence," "caution," "not accurate" were some words they used, so I'm not sure why monitors and readers of his blog insist on treating Charlie's body of work as fact. There's certainly nothing amiss if a person benefits from what is good there, discerns for themselves, or even decides one way or another for the moment, but it does smack of presumption and pride to go beyond representing these things as anything more than "alleged" to other members of the Body of Christ. Unless the Church says otherwise. Yes, obedience is key.

I also find the two factions untenable, since we are all called to be one in Christ. How does this get resolved? Oddly enough I was able to derive a little wisdom from that post of Charlie's I referenced above, and put a few things to rest in my thoughts.

I also found that older comments section to be enlightening. Perhaps his readers can hold that mirror up to themselves and also derive some wisdom from that exercise. Interesting, but I found the tenor of that older comments section to be more spiritually mature than it has been of late. Naturally many friendships have bloomed and kinships have been formed there, but the comments seem to have devolved from lively discussion/debate to more personal fare that belies a certain cliquishness, replete with frequent mutual flattery.

On the flip side, perhaps this audience could benefit from that post as well. Again, there's wisdom there. One just needs to prepared to be fully honest with oneself.

Jackisback said...

Anon (at 3:24 PM),

Appreciate the thoughtful reply.

CJ first raised the "choose or perish" meme in a blog post of that title way back on August 11, 2014 https://charliej373.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/choose-or-perish/. In it, he hardly talks about the topic of the title, until the very end. And then he concludes with these paragraphs:

--begin quote text--
What the Lord calls us to is the humble little whisper of being a sign of hope to those around us and taking the next, right step, according to our circumstances. I am told that a little more than three years from now, after suffering through the worst, deepest crisis in human history, Our Lady will be sent to rescue us miraculously. If, when she comes, you have squandered the Storm chasing after the winds of contention and the earthquakes of dispute, even if you got the details right, you are still sunk. God does not command you to figure out what will happen next, but to be an unrelenting sign of hope to those around you whatever happens next.

In July of 2000, Gabriel came to instruct me on certain matters. Though he had told me three years earlier to quit asking, I still pleaded with him that the Storm might pass over. In the only time he ever frightened me, his eyes blazed with fury, he seemed to grow to fill the room and he said, “You must tell them true – and they must choose or perish.” Though he immediately went back to his kind self I, like Job, put my hand over my mouth and just took instruction from him that day.

I have now told you true and lived my duty on this matter. Now you must choose what you will.
--end quoted text--

I think there is a strong implication by CJ that if we refuse to believe in his alleged locution of a storm and rescue, we will somehow perish. I think this language explains why so many got deep into the "refuge movement" early on. Be sure to read the comments section as well for further context, and, be advised that this is not the only blog post where CJ discusses this. I will try to find more for you after this weekend.

Anonymous said...

Seems you guys can't hold your wind or water just like a bunch of poor incontinents so excited are you at the prospect of Charlie failing on every count. Make sure you have 10 weeks worth of clean undies to see you through to the end of the year - and plenty of air freshener. And then in preparation for the correction of conscience for the way you have abused Charlie you better get in a supply of pads to contain the mess in which you will find yourself whether Charlie's prophesies stand or fall.

Garabandal,not Charlie is my bag, but I stand by my friend Charlie and still see him trying to do the best he can. That is all any of us can do. Charlie is one of the good guys. He has not disobeyed the Church. He has not broken his word.

I very much doubt you will be condemned for disbelieving Charlie but very possibly for discrediting him IN THE WAY you have.

One of the lesser known revelations given by Our Lady long ago in Garabandal was that, after the return of The Pope from Moscow "there would be a Revolution at the Vatican" and involving Northern Spain, France and Italy from the advance of Communism. This would herald the start of The Tribulation. When things are at their worst then will come The Warning. In this we will receive an education of our offense.

Revolution in Spain is already underway. ISIS is almost defeated. More Muslims are converting than ever before. Watch this space,


Jackisback said...

Anon at 2:10 AM,

You sound an awful lot like Joe Crozier, but whether you are or are not makes little difference. If CJ has been discredited (and I believe he has been), it is all self inflicted.

Your dire warnings to us about what will befall us in the next ten weeks has a familiar ring - as CJ's followers said much the same thing to us here just prior to inauguration day.

As well, your tone smacks of what I wrote above about CJ's alleged "choose or perish" locution. Wishing ill upon us for not believing in CJ's private revelations and our brotherly attempts at filial correction hardly sounds at all Catholic. Are you aware that you have not just the option, but the duty to correct someone like CJ when he goes astray as he has, and if he does not listen to you, to then go to the Church? Have you done that yet? If not, why not?

For the record I have steadfastly refused to condemn CJ, but have not been, and will not be shy about calling him to account for his own words and his repeated use of logical fallacies as his main technique for persuasion.

CJ often compares himself to other prophets of the past, such as Joan of Arc. But Joan batted 1.000 in her prophecies. CJ is batting .0000 thus far and he's had numerous trips to the batter's box.

Of course, you are free to dislike the manner in which we make our counter points to CJ's clearly errant discourse, but if that is the case, why not do the Catholic thing and just pray for us as opposed to threatening condemnation. Most of us here pretty much stand in the shoes of average common sense Catholics, clinging to the Church, the magisterium and the sacraments as best we can. CJ's not doing that - he's promoting something else - a so-called "storm" and Marian "rescue," which, if I follow the Church's teachings about private revelations, and in so doing choose to not believe in CJ's private revelation, CJ claims his alleged angel says I will perish. Do you really believe such a thing could come from God? I don't.

It comes down to simplicity. I can obey what God's Church teaches about private revelations (especially those that prove presumptuous) or I can obey CJ's alleged angel. I'll stick with the former rather than the latter, thanks. Sorry if your feelings are hurt by this discussion. As always, I'll be praying for you, and for CJ as well.

Anonymous said...

Then listen to your friend, Anon 2:10 am. I pointed out that old post of his for a reason, and acknowledged the wisdom in it.

I appreciated it not so much for what Charlie had to say about the alleged locutions, rather, for what he had to say about how we treat such things (and all the people involved).

I think the proper response to any of these things (approved, alleged or otherwise), and Charlie clearly says the same in so many words, is to put aside the self and become the Saint –– at work selflessly in the service of God.

Unfortunately, the vast, vast majority of us who take up the call –– though well intentioned –– are clumsy and careless in our field work, often trodding on and even ripping up what has just been sown. Ah, much, much patience is required, but as Jack points out, that can't stifle helping one another and/or brotherly correction when necessary. Spiritually mature behavior and responses are necessary on all fronts.

Whatever a person's preferences when it comes to devotions, private revelations, etc., what an incredible honor to be called to the fields at all –– and what a tremendous responsibility for each!

Anonymous said...

Facts dictate our actions. Nothing more and nothing less. The facts here are clear & convincing. Charlie Johnston has been wrong one hundred percent of the time. Period. He further diminishes his credibility when he attempts to first spin and second evade his clearly failed predictions. Citing these objective facts is not demonstrative of any lack of charity. In fact, as Catholics, we MUST cite a so called prophet's failed record. His is one hundred percent inaccurate.

The magisterium has clearly warned Catholics NOT to attempt to interpret Charlie's failed predictions as somehow accurate. The next right step is to add Charlie to the collection of false prophets.

PS Charlie, we all know the world is very messed up. Look at the news at night. Thanks for the reminder.

L Spinelli said...

Seems you guys can't hold your wind or water just like a bunch of poor incontinents so excited are you at the prospect of Charlie failing on every count. Make sure you have 10 weeks worth of clean undies to see you through to the end of the year - and plenty of air freshener. And then in preparation for the correction of conscience for the way you have abused Charlie you better get in a supply of pads to contain the mess in which you will find yourself whether Charlie's prophesies stand or fall.

No. What I objected to from the very beginning of this was how Charlie scared the pants off people.

Abusing Charlie? What a joke! He all but condemned me when I told him that "people didn't need him", way back when he "proclaimed the Rescue" a year and a half ago.

That's the exact non sequitur that Jack is talking about. I didn't believe what Charlie was saying, so I'm going to face judgement for that?

Bottom line, Charlie is misleading people. I still believe there's a very good chance that good old Screwtape himself was deceiving Charlie for a lot more time than just the failure of the Presidential Prophecy. The Archdiocese of Denver said not to reinterpret his PROPHECIES, plural! EIGHT MONTHS AGO.

The fact that he's traveling around again, making home visits where no one knows what he's saying and he's unaccountable to any authority but his own, is a huge concern, but he keeps going! He's leading the people of God astray if he's being guided by a demon.

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:08am,

OK. So what dictates your bitter invective?

But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. -- Matt 12:36

L Spinelli said...

Here's another example of Charlie's being presumptious:

And yet, I have been prepared for these times and I am truly sent by God to give you heart through these times...

This was written well after the Archdiocese of Denver's first statement about Charlie, telling people to put their trust in Jesus and the Sacraments rather than a prediction.

Even now, in October 2017, Denver still hasn't ruled (and they never may rule) on whether Charlie is a true prophet or not. Charlie asserts that he is. Who should Catholics believe?

From that same piece:

https://charliej373.wordpress.com/2016/04/29/charlie-johnston-threat-or-menace/

But even if I were deluded, do you not know that when you make things up or intentionally garble your facts, you will be held to account? Judge righteous judgment, for the judgment with which any of us use is the judgment that God will hold us to account for. Strange but true: people worry more about the temporal consequences for intentional defamation than they do about eternal consequences.

No one here has made things up or garbled facts. God's people might be being led astray. It's not charitable to sit by and watch them follow a self-appointed pied piper away from the Church.

Anonymous said...

“…If, on January 20, Obama peacefully transfers power to either Trump or Clinton, I will declare myself unreliable and retire into silence.”

Charlie promised this to the world. He reneged. In fact, even worse. He's quietly & slowly reintroduced himself both to his, allegedly former, blog and to private homes, where he's saying God knows what. It's apparently not enough that each & every prediction Charlie has made has failed, and that his Archbishop has both banned him from speaking on Church property & warned people against attempting to reinterpret his failed predictions as somehow accurate. What will it take for people to marginalize him? He may very well be conversing with demons. The Church has warned us to stay clear. What more is needed? TNRS cult are totally lost. Add him to a growing list of frauds. Enough.

Anonymous said...

Mrs. Beckie Hesse, using the online profile “Beckita,” stated in a Feb. 7, 2017 blog post titled “The RESCUE Has Begun” that the messages of the alleged visionary Mr. Charlie Johnston, who resides in the Archdiocese of Denver, “have been fully approved by the Church.” In order to ensure that the faithful are correctly informed, it is necessary to publicly state that Mrs. Hesse’s claim is false.

In fact, Mr. Johnston’s alleged messages were reviewed by an archdiocesan theological commission and Archbishop Samuel J. Aquila determined that the faithful should be warned to be prudent and cautious about Mr. Johnston’s predictions. In addition, Mr. Johnston is not permitted to speak in Church-owned venues in the Archdiocese of Denver. Read Archbishop Aquila’s message, here.

The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid.

Joseph J. said...

To Anon on 10/20/17 AT 2:10 AM:

FIRSTLY, the events that occurred at Garanandal are now 55 years past, so I would not hold your breath at this point that the predicted "warning" will be coming to pass anytime soon, for judging by your words you seem to think that it will be coming any day now? Not only is Garabandal not been approved by the Church, most of the people alive who were there at the time are now dead, including I believe 2 or the 4 visionaries, along with Joey Lomangino and most of the villagers who were there are now dead. 55 years is a long time past, so I wouldn't be holding my breath for the fulfillment as coming any day now...

SECONDLY, as for your seemingly favorable attitude towards Charlie, keep in mind that there are a number of people who were very gravely affected by their association with Charlie and his predictions of a great "Storm" and miraculous "Rescue". Because of this, quite a few folks have damaged their reputation due to their promotion of Charlie and his failed predictions. People throughout the country setup conferences for him, inviting him to speak to their family and friends etc.

Then too, quite a few folks stockpiled a good deal of prepper supplies due to his dire predictions of a catastrophic global economic collapse. Now there are stuck with basements/attics full of emergency prepper supplies, and a much lighter wallet.

So, while you personally may not have been caught up in his predictions of global turmoil and woe, "Storm" and miraculous "Rescue", please do us a favor and not treat what concerns him as innocuous. The Its all good approach certainly doesn't apply here.

Anonymous said...



Glenn Dallaire recently reminded us of the eight prophesies on which Charlie insisted. Nowhere do they reference the failed inauguration predictions. Charlie has never tried to put a spin on this blunder. For the most part neither have those who are still interested in his take on world affairs and his visions for the near future. As I said Four of the five prophesies Glenn has selected are already evident and well underway. FPersecution in China has escalated and is evidenced with such things as the recent forced removal of crosses off churches and the increased persecution of underground churches executed by Chinese government police.

I was among those who often quoted Charlie's inauguration predictions but I quoted them as a possibility not a certainty. I was still teased when they failed. I got over it.

My comments here have nothing to do with persuading people to believe in Charlie's prophesies. Despite plenty of evidence in his own articles it is clear that Charlie is not concerned with trust in him. His only drive and promotion is trust in God. Distorted and malicious selection from his words serves only to betray the true intent of those authors....to discredit and humiliate. Such selection cannot be used to justify the claim that Charlie has condemned himself by his own words. It is your abuse of his words that has borne false witness and led to his condemnation. In my view contributions from the regulars here have nothing to do with defending the faith or discerning the truth.

The purpose of my contributions is simply to stand beside my friend in what I see as unwarranted, irresponsible and reprehensible persecution of a fellow Christian, who in his apostolate, defends the rights of the most innocent, defenceless members of our society, doing his best to carry the message of Christ. As you can see from his lack of response to the vitriole here he, like Christ, suffers in silence.

And now I see Garabandal is being attacked and ridiculed here. More on that later.

Meanwhile L Spinelli says "Even now, in October 2017, Denver still hasn't ruled (and they may never rule) on whether Charlie is a true prophet or not. Charlie asserts that he is. Who should Catholics believe?" In this Spinelli admits that there has not been an official full investigation of Charlie. Of course not. You'd think that someone who has translated, from Latin to English, the norms for evaluating private revelation, would know that this type of investigative committee is appointed AFTER the mystical appearances are completed. Therefore it can safely be said that "Spinelli's" accusations aimed at Charlie are unfounded for Charlie has yet to undergo a complete investigation. Time will tell. Meantime it must be clear to you Spinelli that not only has Big Brother got his eye on you. He knows who you are.

Anonymous said...

The following saints have professsed faith and support for Garabandal: St.s Pio, John Paul II, Mother Teresa, Jose Marie Escriva, and Mother Maravillas. Not to mention a 6th is in the making with Blessed Pope Paul VI , who was the most approving and vocal of all .

Anonymous said...

The Vatican has never released a decision yet,and the reason is that Pope Paul VI met with Conchita in Jan. 1966, and was quotes as saying
"Conchita, I, the Pope, bless you and with me the whole Church blesses you." At this meeting Conchita revealed the date of the future " Miracle", and the Vatican has decided to wait until that date arrives,and sees the Miracle come to fruition, before pronouncing a verdict. And for your information, 3 Popes have been favorable ( Paul VI, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI ). So while we wait for an approval, there has never been a negative word issued.


Anonymous said...



" BLESSED" POPE PAUL VI AND GARABANDAL

The Blessed Virgin., in conversation with the young visionaries of Garabandal, mentioned the Holy Father on several occasions, and told them, "Pray, pray for the Pope" . It is an interesting fact that Pope Paul VI issued his encyclical "Mysterium Fidei" concerning "the weakening of devotion toward the Holy Eucharist" on September 3, 1965, only eleven weeks after Our Lady had complained, "Less and less importance is being given to the Eucharist."
Early in 1966 Conchita was called to the Vatican. Cardinal Ottaviani, the pro-Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (Holy Office) had instructed Fr. Luna: "With or without the permission of the bishop, bring the young girls to me." During January 12-16 she was interviewed for 2 1/2 hours by the Cardinal and saw other members of the Congregation, afterwards she saw the Pope and gave him the date of the Great Miracle to come. She then paid a visit to Padre Pio, the famous stigmatist. Upon her return, at an audience in St. Peter's, the Holy Father came to her and announced joyfully in a clear voice, "Conchita, I, the Pope, bless you and with me the whole Church blesses you."

The November 7, 1968 bulletin of Peru's Legion Blanca under the imprimatur of Mgr. Alfonso Zapana Belliza, Bishop of Tacna, Peru, quotes the late Pope Paul VI as having said at a private audience these inspiring words: "Garabandal the most beautiful story of humanity since the birth of Jesus Christ! It is also the second sojourn of the most Holy Virgin on this earth, and we have no adequate words to express our gratitude."

Pope Paul VI had all the while shown a very special interest in the apparitions. At an audience given to Fr. Xavier Escalda, S.J., the latter mentioned there were many opponents of the apparitions even amongst his own people. His Holiness promptly rejoined:
"It doesn't matter; tell these gentlemen that it is the Pope who has said that it is most important and most urgent to make these messages known to the world."

On March 3, 1969, the Pope, replying to a letter ' sent to him by Mrs. N. Baco of the Anglo-French Centre, sent his Apostolic Blessing to her and to all "Garabandalists in England and Ireland."

In June 1969, Pope Paul sent his personal blessing to Difurora Mariana of Mexico, along with the gift of a crucifix for every member of the Garabandal Centre there, encouraging them to continue promoting the messages of Garabandal.
On May 7, 1970, addressing a group of Garabandal pilgrims from St. Michael's. Garabandal Centre, Brockton, Mass., U.S.A., the Pope blessed their banner, saying, "Be in the Vanguard! Forward!" The following day L'Osservatore, the official Vatican newspaper, carried the news on the front page.

In 1975, Jacinta, the visionary visited Rome in order to gain the Holy Year indulgence. The then Bishop of Santander, Bishop del Val, had given her a personal letter of introduction addressed to certain Cardinals of the Sacred Congregation. She was received with great kindness by Cardinal Ottaviani for 30 minutes. He told her, "Jacinta, I am with you, but we have to pray much and have much patience . . : it. is necessary to pray that the Church will become aware of the importance of Garabandal." .Cardinal Philippe who was presiding over a Bishops' Conference, left it in order to meet her and tell her, "I bless you in the name of the Madonna and I am fully with you. " She was also told, ' `It is very important that the four of you remain united. "

NOW HE IS DECLARED “ BLESSED “ OCT. 2014


Anonymous said...

Beckita is one of the most honest, charitable people I know whose life has been spent in the service of the Church and society both at home and abroad. She is well read, well educated, well informed and well qualified, both professionally and by experience. Below is her humble explanation of the misunderstanding that led to the caveat on Charlie.

"I regret that I was not fully clear on what I meant. The Rescue which I referenced, the “Process of Rescue,” as having been “fully approved by the Church” was not Charlie Johnston’s prophecy. I was referencing Our Lady’s promise at Fatima that, “in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph.” I thought that was clear because I mentioned that this process of rescue connected to Our Lady’s promise had begun before Johnston was born. Looking back, I can see how a reader might see some ambiguity and think it was referencing Johnston. I apologize for the ambiguity."

So there you have it. Beckita conceded that her statement could been understandably misunderstood and then humbly explained its intended meaning. In my opinion the Diocese should have contacted Beckita before publicly accusing her of false witness and subjecting her to public pillory such as that found on MotC.

Fred Keyes said...

Anon @ 6:38.

Please post credible references for all your statements.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Fred, it's abundantly clear at this point exactly what you think. Same for Spinelli, and the other crank or two who post the same trite, cynical, baseless shtick anonymously. Got anything inspired like some of the others here... for or against? Anything original? Or just more riding coattails on Glenn and Jack?

It's amazing to me that every time you few jump into the fray, cherry-picking stuff to suit, or just spouting, you're actually arguing against your case. Time to throw off the oppressive yoke and take on His yoke. Seriously.

Bubalah said...

To anonymous above, at least on this blog comments such as yours are not censored by the moderator. I can’t say the same thing about TNRS blog.

Anonymous said...

Bubalah,

So that's your snappy comeback? That's your justification for folks repeatedly going after a woman who cares for an aged, ailing Priest... a retired school teacher who has given her life over to causes in the The Church such as the Missionary effort in Africa, and currently China?!

This is the kind of conversation you would have if Jesus were present? Well, He obviously is, and I would be all to happy to repeat what I said once, twice, three times over to defend the Faithful. Sure, I'd probably get reprimanded for my style, but I can live with that. How about you?

L Spinelli said...

So you're saying we're supposed to ignore the fact that this woman was closely involved in the ministries of two other failed seers, one who was condemned by her Archdiocese in 2008 (Gianna Talone Sullivan)? And the priest she's caring for was also involved with Gianna?

How many souls have they led astray by these actions?

Anonymous said...

Here's a detailed investigation on Garabudal from Unity Publishing, I don't know where Crozier gets his quotes from, but this investigation with quotes does not show the widespread support from the local Bishops, in fact shows quite the opposite:
http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/Garabandal2.html

Here's a snippet:

On October 11, 1996 the new bishop, Jose Vilaplana, again placed his prohibition on the alleged apparitions and said it is final.

"Some people have been coming directly to the Diocese of Santander (Spain) asking about the alleged apparitions of Garabandal and especially for the answer about the position of the hierarchy of the Church concerning these apparitions.

I need to communicate that:

All the bishops of the diocese since 1961 through 1970 agreed that there was no supernatural validity for the apparitions.
In the month of December of 1977 Bishop Dal Val of Santander, in union with his predecessors, stated that in the six years of being bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.
The same bishop, Dal Val, let a few years go by to allow the confusion or fanaticism to settle down, and then he initiated a commission to examine the apparitions in more depth. The conclusion of the commission agreed with the findings of the previous bishops. That there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions.
At the time of the conclusions of the study, in 1991, I was installed bishop in the diocese. So during my visit to Rome, as limina visit which happened in the same year, I presented to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith the study and I asked for pastoral direction concerning this case.
On Nov. 28, 1992, the Congregation sent me an answer saying that after examining the documentation, there was no need for direct intervention (by the Vatican) to take away the jurisdiction of the ordinary bishop of Santander in this case. Such a right belongs to the ordinary. Previous declarations of the Holy See agree in this finding. In the same letter they suggested that if I find it necessary to publish a declaration, that I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity in the alleged apparitions, and this will make a unanimous position with my predecessors.
Given that the declarations of my predecessors who studied the case have been clear and unanimous, I don’t find it necessary to have a new public declaration that would raise notoriety about something which happened so long ago. However, I find it necessary to rewrite this report as a direct answer to the people who ask for direction concerning this question, which is now final: I agree with [and] I accept the decision of my predecessors and the direction of the Holy See.
In reference to the Eucharistic celebration in Garabandal, following the decision of my predecessors, I ruled that Masses can be celebrated only in the parish church and there will be no references to the alleged apparitions and visiting priests who want to say Mass must have approval from the pastor, who has my authorization. It’s my wish that this information is helpful to you.
My regards in Christ,

Jose Vilaplana

Bishop of Santander

Anonymous said...

Crozier states that .Cardinal Philippe ( in 1975 ) who was presiding over a Bishops' Conference, left it in order to meet her and tell her, "I bless you in the name of the Madonna and I am fully with you. " She was also told, ' `It is very important that the four of you remain united. "

However, on April 21, 1970, Cardinal Philippe signs a letter stating that Garabudal is false.

How is that in 1970 Cardinal Philippe condemns Garabudal outright but then 5 years later supports it? I don't think so. Crozier you need to show your sources.


Anonymous said...

What I'm saying, Spinelli, is that you should be a bigger person than the sort that goes after Beckita. Widows and orphans, Spinelli. I take that Bible passage both figuratively and literally. So should you.

Anonymous said...

This is a very good article by a priest on true apparitions:

truehttps://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=6602

Charlie would definitely not make the cut.

Here's a a snippet:
Examples of Visionaries Judged to be False

Some individuals have been pronounced against by name, e.g., Vassula Ryden, and the Little Pebble, William Kamm. Vassula has been condemned twice by the Holy Office (the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith), on the grounds that her revelations do not come from God, and because they contain errors against the Faith.

You hear people say: "But her writings are so spiritual and so beautiful!"

I agree; possibly 99% of Vassula's messages are in conformity with the Catholic Faith — but that is just how the devil operates to deceive pious Catholics.

It is the 1% that does harm.

A poison apple is mostly good apple — but will harm you nevertheless. The devil knows he cannot mislead devout Catholics with outright heresy, but he can appeal to their piety and then subtly plant errors within.

In any case, there has been no approved revelation in the history of the Church where God took someone's hand and gave messages by writing with his pen. But you do find handwriting messages given at séances and séances are condemned by the Church as a practice of the occult against the law of God.

Anonymous said...

Seriously? Unity publishing? I do not not know you anonymous/K but I know who and what I am dealing with. In your ad hominem attacks and your hissy fits I can smell your fear. You either know nothing about Garabandal or you are deliberately obfuscating to draw attention away from your identity and motivation.

"As for the Church's official position concerning Garabandal, it is described quite succinctly I think at the top of this article. Neither the local Bishops of Santander (both past and present) nor Rome have ever condemned Garabandal. Neither however has it been approved. So, to factually summarize the Church's position on Garabandal it would be correct to say that the Church has not yet made any definitive pronouncement regarding Garabandal.

May God bless everyone who visits here,
-Glenn Dallaire

January 13, 2017 at 11:57 AM"

L Spinelli said...

If you can't tell the difference between Beckita's actions and who she is as a person...and I was referring to the former...there's nothing else to say.

Anonymous said...

I used to believe in Garabandal, in fact I visited Joey Lomengino at his home in Long Island in the late 1970s. The one thing that used to bother me about Garabandal was the girls running rapidly downhill backwards. I just thought that was odd. However after Joey passed away that was it for me. Conchita repeated many times that Joey was going to be present at the Miracle and that he'd receive new eyes at the Miracle. That's evidently not going to happen.

Anonymous said...

Now that I think of it, it;s possible that when Conchita spoke of Joey getting new eyes she was using figurative speech, symbolic images, double meanings and layers of meaning.

Michael Murray said...

Thanks for clearing that up, Spinelli. So according to your thinking, character attack is acceptable, however subtle or overt, if we are to limit it to a person's actions.

Among other things, I find your approach cowardly. Cowardly, because you do it remotely from the comfort of your computer, enjoying the wide dissemination of this platform, with little chance of experiencing firsthand repercussions. Twice cowardly, because you do it here with a handful of buddies that share your opinions and typically back you up. Thrice cowardly because you pick on a widow.

That is precisely the way I perceive your "actions."

Should you wish to discuss it further, one-on-one, you can connect with me here: sweetwaterhaven.com, via the contact link.

Michael Murray

Anonymous said...

Michael, why is it not cowardly that TNRS does not allow people to question Charlie’s failed prophecies.

Anonymous said...

To Michael,

So where do we stand today with Charlie? He told us there would be no election in the US, he told us we would have a Regent running the country, he implied there would be tanks rolling down the streets of the US and people rounded up into FEMA camps, he told us the economy would collapse and money would be worthless, he said we would return to a barter system, he told us about Menses deceiving many, he told us we would have a war with China, he told us Islam would be defeated and concerted, and he told us all this would take place in 2017.

What are we to make of a prophet whose predictions do not come true? Many of us here were snookered by this fellow and when we tried to question him on his Blog were either ignored or held up for public ridicule.

Do you really think Charlie has been in training by the angels for the past 50 years only to have the angels pull the rug from under him by giving him false prophecies? Does God really expect those who are seeking Him to follow a failed prophet?


L Spinelli said...

For the last time, simply stating that Beckita was a promoter of failed visionaries is NOT "picking on a widow". The proof that she was is in the comments section of this article.

I'm taking this to Glenn. This is out of control.

Michael Murray said...

Anon 12:28pm,

I defended a widow. Are you implying that I also don't allow people to question Charlie's failed prophecies? I've done no such thing. If you're simply referring to the TNRS blog, why not take it up with them? Yes, I know.... you're going to say next that they scrub/censor comments that don't toe the line, in which case I can only wonder why some here seem to have so little patience. The Church has patience on these matters, and we should all follow Her lead.

Michael Murray said...

Anon 1:07,

Take it up with Charlie. I can't speak authoritatively about his alleged prophecies/mystical experiences. I can only take the Church's lead.

L Spinelli said...

You can't sit there with a straight face and tell me that Beckita going to the Vatican to defend Gianna Talone Sullivan as a true seer (I believe it was in 2013, the link to her letter is gone) isn't dangerous to souls. The Archbishop of Baltimore ruled against Gianna in 2008. Continuing to lead souls to her was wrong, a classic understatement.

Fred Keyes said...

So the pro-Charlie faction has clearly decided to go on the offensive here. To paraphrase, hell hath no fury like a TNRS true believer scorned. The nasty nature of your posts here in the past few days give you away.

St. Paul lists these fruits as the marks of true Christians: "Charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity..."

Tell me true now--can you honestly say you meet those tests?

Sorry citizens of Mayberry, but you have a house built on sand. I entreat you, I enjoin you, I plead with you, in the spirit of fraternal charity--turn from your ways of "enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects,..."

See Galatians, Chapter 5.

Anonymous said...

If I remember correctly Beckita cited fish kills and Planet X in her letter to the Vatican in support of Sullivan-Talone and also criticized the archbishop in Maryland as personally prejudiced. Honestly you can’t make this comical history up. It has nothing to do with being a widow, everything to do with being a kook.

Bemused said...

Michael says to “take it up with Charlie.” Good luck trying to get Charlie to answer a question about why he is predictions have all failed.

Michael Murray said...

Spinelli, I chose to defend her, so, yes, I can do it with a straight face. If your next impulse is to keep your same course, attribute other stuff to her, complain to Glenn, whatever... have at it.

Michael Murray said...

I've got a better idea, Fred. Let's you an I go in search of this person that fully embodies St. Paul's image of the true Christian. What can I say... conflict is a part of life, but needn't end there. I don't pretend to be other than what I am, and like I said, I can live with it.

Joe Crozier said...

The link below gives the true status of Garabandal
http://ourlady.ca/info/churchPositionUpdate.html
Joe Crozier

Joe Crozier said...

Well done Michael Murray for being our widow's might. Well done indeed. The gang of four, sad to say, will not relent. I wish them no harm. They have caused themselves harm enough. In the willfulness of their invective they cannot see the danger in which they stand.

Joe Crozier said...

"Meanwhile L Spinelli says "Even now, in October 2017, Denver still hasn't ruled (and they may never rule) on whether Charlie is a true prophet or not. Charlie asserts that he is. Who should Catholics believe?" In this Spinelli admits that there has not been an official full investigation of Charlie. Of course not. You'd think that someone who has translated, from Latin to English, the norms for evaluating private revelation, would know that this type of investigative committee is appointed AFTER the mystical appearances are completed. Therefore it can safely be said that "Spinelli's" accusations aimed at Charlie are unfounded for Charlie has yet to undergo a complete investigation."

I see Spinelli has not yet responded to the above comment. As an academic he should not find this too difficult.

L Spinelli said...

I'm not a he. I'm a she.

That's why I didn't answer.

I also don't kowtow to threats and demands.

Knock it off.

Joe Crozier said...

SAINT MADRE MARAVILLAS OF JESUS, O.C.D. (1891-1974)
This extraordinary Carmelite nun, who was beatified in 1998, less than 25 years after she died, founded the "Association of St. Teresa," with the purpose of restoring the rule of life of the original Constitutions of 1581, rigorously established by Teresa of Avila one year before her own death. Mother Maravillas "knew" that Garabandal was authentic. She even clearly shared her conviction with her spiritual daughters, assuring them that "the phenomena occurring at San Sebastian de Garabandal come from God!"

In an unusual side note. St. Maravillas warned Bishop Puchol Montis on April 25, 1967 (one of the former Bishops of Santander ) that he would have a sudden death. Bishop Montis seems to have opposed the events of Garabandal irresponsibly in her opinion.

Monsignor Vincente Puchol Montis, reports in his Note of March 17, 1967, that

1) There was no apparition, neither of the Blessed Virgin,
nor of the Archangel, nor of any other person from Heaven.
2) There was no Message.
3) All the events that occurred (at San Sebastian de Garabandal) have a natural explanation . . ."

On March 19, the Spanish Television made this Note public.

He died as a result of an automobile accident on May 8, 1967.

Now there is some very interesting "coincidences" relating to the Bishop's death. After his written letter of March 17,1967 trying to discredit the apparitions and messages, he is warned by Mother Maravillas. He refuses to change his stance on Garabandal. He is told of his future death on April 25th, and dies on May 8th, ( THE FIRST FEAST DAY OF ST. MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL,Who started the apparitions at Garabandal ! )
Not only that but when found dead in the car, his hands are " blackened " ,but there is no fire ???? Draw your own conclusions.

For the record I do not wish this end on anyone.

Anonymous said...

Diocese of Santander (English Translation provided by EWTN)
June 8th , 1993

Santander,
Some people have been coming directly to the Diocese of Santander (Spain) asking about the "alleged apparitions" of Garabandal, and above all for the position of the hierarchy of the Church concerning these apparitions.

I must communicate that:
1. All the bishops of the diocese from 1961 through 1970 asserted that the supernatural character of the said apparitions, that took place around that time, could not be confirmed. [no constaba].*

2. In the month of December of 1977 Msgr. del Val, Bishop of Santander, in union with his predecessors, affirmed that in the six years of being Bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.

3. Not withstanding, the same Msgr. del Val, the first years having passed in which there was confusion to enthusiasm, initiated an interdisciplinary study in order to examine with greater profundity these phenomenon. The conclusion of this study coincided with the previous findings by the bishops, which is to say, that it does not prove [no consta] the supernaturality of said apparitions.

4. This study concluded during the days in which I took possession of the diocese in 1991. Taking advantage, in that same year, of a trip to Rome for the motive of making the ad limina visit, I presented said study to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and asked for guidance for pastoral activity concerning the case.

5. On Nov. 28, 1992, the Congregation sent me its response, consisting in, that after having examined attentively the mentioned documentation, it did not consider it opportune to intervene directly, removing the ordinary jurisdiction of the Bishop of Santander, this subject that belongs to him by right. Previous declarations of the Holy See agree in this finding.

In the same letter it was suggested, if I find it opportune, to publish a declaration in which it is re-affirmed that the supernaturality of the referenced apparitions was not proven, making my own the unanimous position of my predecessors.

6. Given that the declarations of my predecessors, who studied the case, have been clear and unanimous, I do not find it necessary to have a new public declaration that would give notoriety to something which happened so long ago. However, I find it opportune to redact this information as a direct response to the persons who ask for direction concerning this question, which I give finally, accepting the decisions of my predecessors and the direction of the Holy See.

7. In reference to the celebration of the Eucharist in Garabandal, following the dispositions of my predecessors, I only allow that it be celebrated in the parish church without reference to the alleged apparitions and with the permission of the current pastor, who has my confidence.

With the wish that this information is helpful to you, receive my cordial greeting in Christ,

Jose Vilaplana
Bishop of Santander

* EWTN Commentary: (see also: EWTN Expert Colin B. Donovan, commenting on Garabandal)
"It should be noted that this appears to correspond to the 3rd of the categories used by the Church since new norms were promulgated in 1978 by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

1) constat de supernaturalitate (it is established supernatural)
2) constat de non supernaturalitate (it is established not supernatural)
3) non constat de supernaturalitate (it is not established supernatural"

Fred Keyes said...

So, Joe Crozier, for the record you absolve yourself by a veiled wish that not you, but who? God? will carry out.

Had you damned people to hell you could not have been clearer about what you wish would happen to those who don't buy your nonsense. What inside information do you have, sir, that allows you to render such a judgment? You really don't get that what you just posted is a poorly veiled wish about what you hope happens to your opponents, do you? Or that Charlie does the same thing when he concocts warnings about those who don't buy his fantastically false predictions?

Joe Crozier said...

Aahh the cloak lifts Ms Spinelli (unless of course you are misleading us again) even though it seems that anonymous oct 20 4.11 has wrongly guessed your identity- are you also a journalist? Your strong arm tactics suggest you are. I wonder if "anonymous" whose comments are so off pat in their complementary drift to yours is the translator referred to in the comment below although he is not half as polished as you. You may ask why am I so curious about your identity? The reason is that maybe, just maybe, it will help me understand your true motivation in this campaign of hate. Then I will be better able to respond in a manner that may be more satisfactory to your thirst for sources.


The comment below is not a threat and still warrants a response. In the light of this comment do you not concede that your accusations are unfounded? Do you deny the facts contained therein? No one is asking you to cow tow - just to respond honestly. May I also ask what particular reason you have for using a false name?

"Meanwhile L Spinelli says "Even now, in October 2017, Denver still hasn't ruled (and they may never rule) on whether Charlie is a true prophet or not. Charlie asserts that he is. Who should Catholics believe?" In this Spinelli admits that there has not been an official full investigation of Charlie. Of course not. You'd think that someone who has translated, from Latin to English, the norms for evaluating private revelation, would know that this type of investigative committee is appointed AFTER the mystical appearances are completed. Therefore it can safely be said that "Spinelli's" accusations aimed at Charlie are unfounded for Charlie has yet to undergo a complete investigation."

Please respond as best you can.

Anonymous said...

Let's see : last year at this time Crozier was "All In" with charlie's Presidential Prophecy. That failed miserably.
This year Crozier wanted some substance to charlie's "rescue" along with other complaintants on the site so charlie had to come up with something to the effect that: God is real, Jesus is His Son, Mary is His Mother, Jesus wants his Mother to be honoured and we will all know that She is His mother and that Mary will rescue us by late 2017 - so Crozier accepts that as prophetic - what a joke, we all know that except for the "rescue" which Crozier is "All In" again.
Michael Murray, came here last year posting under anonymous and said he was a fence sitter charlie supporter and was only interested in the truth, however, denied he was a charlie supporter, he was posting regularly on TNRS and they knew him by name, when his identity was revealed he disappeared like a scurring rat from this site.
Crozier and this Michael guy never answer any of our questions, but always play charlie as the poor victim, they are spin doctors. They come here when it gets boring at charlie's site as they await the rescue.


Anonymous said...

Have an investigation for a fraud like charlie, what a joke.

Joe Crozier said...

Anonymous - let Spinelli answer for herself.

Joe Crozier said...

I resent wasting time on your trolling tactics, anonymous, but for the record I have never been all in for anyone except Jesus. Your statement is not true. What I have accepted is the level of detail that Charlie has given of the Rescue. This information, although not as complete as I would have liked, will help show if Charlie spoke true in his prophesy. If the world sees what Charlie has prophesied then he will be seen to have spoken truly to us. If we have condemned Charlie unjustifiably our conscience will undergo correction in the Warning.

Come on tell us who you are. Stop hiding. Be a man/woman. Come out.

Joe Crozier said...

oh you like mixing it up Fred - confusing the minds of readers.
I throw back your accusatory question. What qualifies you to judge me? Are you a mind reader?
If a parent warns their child of a dangerous consequence to their action is that a threat or a wish for harm?
Padre Pio wrote to the girls in Garabandal "They do not believe in your conversation with the Lady in White. They will believe but by then it will be too late." Was that a threat?
I understand exactly what I have posted. I have damned no-one.

Joe Crozier said...

http://ourlady.ca/info/churchPositionUpdate.html
Anonymous - did you read my link?

Joe Crozier said...

"L Spinelli said...

I'm not a he. I'm a she.

That's why I didn't answer.

I also don't kowtow to threats and demands.

Knock it off."

So the reason you did not answer is because you are a she not a he.

Dear Ms/ Mrs / Miss Spinelli
Please respond to the above questions regarding the status of Charlie Johnston. Do you not agree that it shows your accusations are unfounded?
Yours sincerely
Joe Crozier
Does the flak (Knock it off) indicate we are near the target?

Snowy Owl said...

To Anon@ 4:24PM
Just so you understand- to be "All in" has nothing to do with Charlie or his prophecies. To be All in means to be all in with trusting in God and His will in all circumstances and all things that will come in our lives, even the painful things that we do not yet understand. God bless

Joe Crozier said...

Well said Snowy

Anonymous said...

Joe, why do you chase after supposed apparitions? Is the Gospel insufficient? 99% of these so-called mystics, seers, and sages, are dead wrong.

L Spinelli said...

http://www.miraclehunter.com/marian_apparitions/discernment/

Glenn Dallaire said...


I have been away for the entire day and I then open my email and WOW!--over 30 messages of comments on this thread! Reading through each of them I see we are in the midst of another lively discussion on a few different matters---And here I thought the Charlie affair was winding down--I guess not! Hopefully all here will continue to be respectful and charitable in their debates and disagreements.

Anyway, since I personally do not have anything to add to the discussion I will therefore stay out of the fray at this point, but I am left wondering one thing--
When and if January 1st rolls around and there is no miraculous, visible rescue of the Virgin Mary, I am left wondering how many folks will continue to consider Charlie an authentic prophet, or even a possibly authentic prophet. For I personally was certain that events, or the lack thereof, would speak for themselves, thus making the truth readily known for everyone, but now I am left wondering if such will be the case for certain steadfast followers over at TNRS.

As for myself, I have always tried to maintain neutrality as best I could in what concerns Charlie, letting events, or the lack of events, speak for themselves, seeking to simply report matters on this website as truthfully and factually as possible. However, as we enter the final two months of the year one has to acknowledge that things are not looking very favorable regarding Charlie's key prophecies, nevertheless I will reserve my own personal judgement until January 1st.

Now on with the lively discussion, my friends!

May God bless all who visit here.
Glenn Dallaire

An observer said...

The failure surrounding the president predictions this past January along with the complete lack of fulfilled predictions up to this point already speaks volumes I think. Then too there was the Christmas prediction back a couple of years ago that was also a obvious fail, even though Charlie sought to polish that one up afterwards.

Snowy Owl said...

Glenn,
I can only answer your question for myself.
Charlie will remain my friend and remain in my prayers no matter what happens or does not happen. My hope and my faith is in God alone. Charlie's teachings are very solid. I leave the prophecies to God as I would with any prophet or apparition etc., and I don't worry whether or not these things work out according to my own understanding or my own ideas of timing. My heart is in picking up my cross, whatever it may be, taking my next right step and following Jesus wherever He will lead me. To be a sign of hope, which is to Love and to do for others what needs doing for love of God.. it is very profoundly simple and matches and adds to what I was taught many years before I met Charlie. I live by it and will continue to do so by the grace of God!
Is God sending Mary to rescue us? Of course He is, we have 2000 years of her doing it! I see that it is already happening now in earnest, many are called, few are chosen because few say yes to God... either we are "All in" or we are not. Charlie said yes. He is simply living and sharing with us the gift he was given. Will Mary appear in the way Charlie has stated? I sure hope so and I believe so because the world is in trouble and many souls are being lost to Heaven. He is being obedient to God and his calling ... and to the Church, which despite what I read here in the comments, has neither silenced nor condemned him.
No one is being forced to listen to him, if people do not believe him they should simply move on.
Praying for all here! This is about all I can say.
Jean.

Bemused said...

Jean,

Thank you for your sincere comments. I really think we're all on the same team and each of us are trying to discern God's Will for us.

Now you said that "He [Charlie] is simply living and sharing with us the gift he was given."

Here's my problem with that statement/sentiment.

If Charlie's message was simply for us to be faithful and to trust God, then I'm on board. But Charlie claims that the angels have been speaking to him for the past 50 years. He told us there would be no US president and we would be run by a Regent during a period of intense crisis when most would lose all hope. He told us that there would be a complete economic collapse and money would be worthless and we would have to resort to a barter system. He said there would be worldwide civil wars, that people would be rounded into FEMA camps, and that 26 million would die. He told us there would be a world war of the US and Russia vs. China.

Since these are false prophecies I don't consider them a gift he should be sharing.

God bless you.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Thank you Jean (Snowy owl) for sharing your insights--I sincerely appreciate it.
-Glenn

Anonymous said...

Comment from Snowy: ...either we are "All in" or we are not. Charlie said yes. He is simply living and sharing with us the gift he was given. Will Mary appear in the way Charlie has stated? I sure hope so and I believe so because the world is in trouble and many souls are "being lost to Heaven"
I think those last 4 words spoken by Snowy reveal who is really behind the Charlie Johnston movement, satan definitely does not want the souls going to heaven but the other way - as Joe Crozier said - "Well said Snowy".

Anonymous said...

The truth always has a habit of being revealed.

Anonymous said...

Crozier said: I resent wasting time on your trolling tactics, anonymous, but for the record I have never been all in for anyone except Jesus. Your statement is not true. What I have accepted is the level of detail that Charlie has given of the Rescue. This information, although not as complete as I would have liked, will help show if Charlie spoke true in his prophesy. If the world sees what Charlie has prophesied then he will be seen to have spoken truly to us. If we have condemned Charlie unjustifiably our conscience will undergo correction in the Warning.

Come on Joe level with us, last year at about this time I clearly remember you undecided on whether to be "All In" with "prophet Johnston" on the Presidential Prophesy and then you decided at the last moment that Charlie was your good friend and you would support him and that you would be "All In" and not abandon your good friend and take you chances with the Presidential Prophesy. It was not about Jesus but about Charlie and you took that step for Charlie, not for Jesus - be a man/woman and admit it. There's nothing wrong in sticking with your friend, it's very admirable, but to deny it now makes your credibility look bad not only to us but for Charlie. Don't throw Charlie under the bus like he did to Becks a few times.

As far as the Rescue stuff I followed your commentary on "prophet Johnston's" site and what you say is generally correct.

Snowy Owl said...

Anon@ 9:28 PM
If you misunderstood the way I worded this, I apologize. I'm not very good at this communicating online :) I am trying to say that Mary needs to come to help save souls for Heaven, as many are perishing! I hope that clears it up!

Snowy Owl said...

Thanks Bemused, we all have the freedom to make our own choices. I am comfortable with mine, as I said. Thank you for being kind. God bless you too.

Fred Keyes said...

Joe Crozier, on the issue of judging: Do you know the difference between judging a person's soul (i.e., their *inward* thoughts and choices) and judging the things they say or do?

I do not judge you directly or indirectly and therefore I do not warn you that your soul is in mortal danger. To say that about you would be to imply that if you do not agree with me you will go to hell. That is judging you in a way that Christ told us we must not do. Whereas the truth is, if you are sincere about Charlie and are otherwise living a good life, I believe you will go to heaven.

Can you say the same thing about me?

Aside: Invincible ignorance is a good defense, IMO. A lot of people are going to make it to heaven on that basis.

Anonymous said...

Snowy you said the following: ...Charlie said yes. He is simply living and sharing with us the gift he was given....
What gift has Charlie been given and by whom?

Fred Keyes said...

Snowy Owl, the problem many of us have here is not with the solid Christian beliefs you speak so well about. Our objection is specifically to the predictions Charlie made and the fact that so far he has been proven wrong.

In addition to that I myself object to Charlie's political bent——both with respect to national politics as well as his strong bias toward traditionalist views within the Church. Today's gospel on rendering to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's tells me we should be separating our religious life from those things that properly belong to the state.

Now it is true that the state in our country has usurped some of the things that belong to God, but the gospel principle still stands. And while the country is divided politically, we should all be working diligently to enhance unity within the Church.

Joe Crozier said...

Spinelli
You sound very like Kevin or even Harper

Fred
Your sophistry simply augments the calumny in your commentary.
I neither judge nor condemn you. I do judge what you write.
With God all things are possible so yes, my hope for you to go to heaven is realistic.

Joe Crozier said...

By the way Fred,we are told in holy scripture that we are bound to correct and redirect our brothers when we see that their error may lead to their condemnation. We we told that if we do not do this we will be held to account for their sin. There is a difference between the judgement of assessment and the judgement of condemnation. We are all called to assessment.

Joe Crozier said...

Anonymous - tell us a little about yourself without giving away your identity, what is it personally that has caused your hatred of Charlie and drives your thirst for his demise. What has he done to you?

Anonymous said...

Joe Crozier,

I fail to see the need to harass anyone who comments here by trying to determine his/her identity in real life. You are not the moderator, nor are you even a civil guest. You appeared at this website a few months back to threaten our host, Glenn, with a libel lawsuit. You have no standing to make demands or threats to anyone here. Glenn has set up a website where everyone is welcome to discuss facts, ideas and opinions about mystics, real or alleged.

As L. Spinelli has asked you to knock it off, please do so.

Joe Crozier said...

Anonymous 6.34
Let Spinelli answer for himself. I have only defended myself and my friends in the face of spurious allegations and misrepresentation at the hands of the likes of you. Are now claiming to be a moderator on this site?

If so you yourself can access the IP addresses of those who post. It is also plain if someone is using a revolving IP address. There is a difference between those contributors who wish to simply hide their identity and those who wish to maintain their anonymity in order to persecute and abuse others. That in itself is an abuse.

I really am surprised that Glenn, who does have access to IP addresses has allowed this abuse and deceit to persist for so long. It is one thing to express an opinion. It is quite another to continuously assault another human being with that injurious opinion. Spinelli has not responded to my assertion that his accusations are unfounded for the reasons I have given.

Why not tell him to respond as you have told me to desist.

When Christ was hit in the face by the soldier as he stood before the high priest He did not turn the other cheek. Instead He very bravely, in the name of truth and justice, confronted the soldier with his actions.

I have asked why you people have assaulted me and Beckita and Charlie in the interests of others who may fall prey to your abuse. I suspect this abuse relates to your real identity. You and Spinelli can easily disabuse me of this opinion if it is unfounded. Charlie has actually asked others not to come to his defense. He is perfectly capable of defending himself.


I, however, am driven by a sense of justice, and I will pursue this course til its end by whatever legal means at my disposal. As you say, in the past some commentary here forced me to indicate that I had a legal remedy at my disposal. I was quite entitled to have recourse to this and for a while it seemed to shut you up and put an end to your gossip and innuendo.

When I have posted anonymously I did so because I am not very IT savvy and when it gave my options for postings I saw that my email came up. I did not want this to be posted and I also wanted you to experience the same doubt that you had inflicted on me. When one posts as anonymous one is not sure what one is dealing with. Of course that did not work in its intent. i would have like to have any name from you anonymous so that at least I could have used that in my replies. Why did you not tell us your story of hate? I am now getting the help I need with my IT deficiency. Have you ever sought help with your own deficiency?

It is said that when you see the flak you know you are over the target. I will "knock it off" once you guys knock it off. Is it too much to ask Glenn to shut this thread down until the end of the year. You/Fred /Jack/Spinelli/Kevin/Harper have had enough time and room to do your worst. Now let God do His best. Let cards fall as He wants. Step back from the table.

SHUT IT DOWN GLENN.

Anonymous said...

Crozier:

For the record, it doesn't matter who I am, the names here really don't mean much, I mean there are thousands of people with the same name.

I used to be a Charlie follower, but not a 100% believer, so I asked questions to Charlie, only to find them scrubbed and the questions weren't to make someone look bad, but to find out more information - I can not trust someone just because he/she said God was talking to them. But, that wasn't the worst, the worst was when I would make a comment and Charlie would reply and then I would post a rebuttal only to find in scrubbed, after several attempts to post I'd blow my stack and he would post that one and tell everyone that's why I scrubbed his posts. I wasn't the only one, he did the same trick to others.
I knew I was on the way out so I posted a question which he allowed and then he made his comments, my rebuttal was not allowed, I tried a few times, to no avail, so I posted the exchange to other sites and then posted Charlie telling him I did this and he was enraged and kicked me off his site permanently, but he also told me to spew my venom on other sites, so that's what I'm doing, I don't know about anyone else but he told me to take my poison elsewhere so here I am - Charlie sanctions my comments here, he may not like them but he wants them here.
Additionally, this wouldn't be the first time I exposed frauds, I logically dismantled a few by myself on the old Kathleen Keating site. Now, I can not take credit for exposing Charlie as Glenn's site has brought people together who have much better skills at doing this including Glenn himself. My testimony adds to the list of experiences and investigation others have done to reveal who Charlie is or isn't.

Anonymous said...

Crozier, as I've stated Charlie told me to spew my venon elsewhere, not on his site, so Charlie and I have an agreemnent I don't post on his site, I post elsewhere, shutting down this blog would break my agreement with Charlie which you have no party to and you would be going against the wishes of "prophet Johnston".

Anonymous said...

Crozier, you have no legal standing, Charlie sanctions negative comments, but just not on His site, it's there on His site in black and white, you would be in contradiction to the "prophet Johnston".
Hey, what's that sound at TNRS - scrubbing, scrub those old post out real good Becks and BCSteve.

Anonymous said...

JoeCro: I repeat: "Come on Joe level with us, last year at about this time I clearly remember you undecided on whether to be "All In" with "prophet Johnston" on the Presidential Prophesy and then you decided at the last moment that Charlie was your good friend and you would support him and that you would be "All In" and not abandon your good friend and take you chances with the Presidential Prophesy. It was not about Jesus but about Charlie and you took that step for Charlie, not for Jesus - be a man/woman and admit it. There's nothing wrong in sticking with your friend, it's very admirable, but to deny it now makes your credibility look bad not only to us but for Charlie. Don't throw Charlie under the bus like he did to Becks a few times."

Snowy: I repeat:"What gift has Charlie been given and by whom?"

Anonymous said...

Joe,

Don’t tet the doubting Thomases on this blog get to you. In just 70 days it will be New Years and we will have defeated China, money will again have value, the Regent who has been running the US will be gone and we will have a President elected by the people, the FEMA camp will be closed and people will be free again, the Muslims will be converted, Christianity will be reunited, Menses will be exposed, and we will be living in a world akin to Mayberry RFD.

Will any of this matter then?

Joe Crozier said...

Kevin/Anonymous

"Spinelli" has still not responded to my reasonable and reasoned enquiry as to whether he now admits that by his own comment that Charlie has never undergone full investigation and as such Spinelli's accusations against Charlie are unfounded.

I ask again, are all or most of these anonymous posts from someone whose real name is Kevin Symonds and who has attacked Charlie in the past? Perhaps only you and Glenn know the answer to that but the style is very similar. I very much doubt if Charlie has ever had an agreement with you. Why would he? Charlie holds no sway over me. The only good I seek from shutting down this thread is to stop your abuse of freedom of speech and your abuse of my friends.

If you are Kevin, someone who has been privileged with such an education as yours should know better how to behave.

By no stretch of the imagination could your comments be described as Christian. I am sure that those who hold you in high regard would be far from edified by your example. I am quite sure that if this thread was ended by Glenn, who is the only one who can end it, you would quickly find some other vehicle to carry your vitriol.

There is no good that I hope for from this exchange except to put a stop to your shenanigans. Cyber bullying is another name that could be applied. Now that IS an actionable crime. I am not threatening this action although you will probably still accuse me of this as you try to continue to present yourself as a victim and me in the worst light possible. If Glenn wishes to be implicated in what is possibly a criminal activity that is his choice.

The fact that you have not denied being Kevin speaks volumes. If anonymous is not Kevin I would hope that even the likes of you would not allow the good name of an innocent party to be besmirched.

I cannot remember when I was last in touch with Charlie. As I have repeatedly said I am not and have never been ALL IN for Charlie. In this claim you seem to repeatedly say I am a liar. You have done your best to destroy my good name but thank God my credibility does not rely on your witness.

Have courage Glenn. Shut this thread down until the end of the year.

Joe Crozier said...

Anonymous 9.40

Very clever and it will confuse some that you seem to be supporting Charlie. This tactic is so evil. My faith is in Garabandal. Charlie's prophesies are incidental to me.

Joe Crozier said...

HAVE COURAGE GLENN - SHUT IT DOWN

Anonymous said...

Joe Crozier January 12, 2017: Here we have St Michael, patron of soldiers and leader of the heavenly army, and St Gabriel messenger of God entrusted with mystical revelation of the highest order, brought together in a new and unique way, in the forums of Garabandal and The Next Right Step. And I do not mean simply the online forums. That in itself is privilege enough. And now we await the call to arms, our marching orders, from Charlie.

Joe Crozier January 20,2017: Presidential power has been peacefully transferred to Donald Trump. I am pleased that he is President. The ceremony was prayerful and edifying. The speech was good. As for myself – not a proud heart and no longer concern for things too great for me. With God’s help I will survive the repercussions of having expressed my support for Charlie. I find myself contemplating the freedom of silence. And I welcome that space. As Charlie and many here know, as far as private revelation goes, my faith is and always has been in Garabandal. I am glad, however, that I have stood by my friend Charlie until the end. I wish you every joy in the world Charlie and in the world to come.
Note: this was under the heading TIME TO CHOOSE ( The Presidential Prophecy ) and immediately under this article was another from previous called ALL IN.

Anonymous said...

If people want to know more details about the eulogy at TNRS TIME TO CHOOSE in January 2017 is the best one, but there are other juicy tidbits from all the blogs in January 2017.

How we easily forget the that Snowy and JoeCro were bragging about their appearance here in January of 2017.

January 19, 2017
Joe Cro: I see Snowy has bared her talons on the mystics site in defence of the truth about Charlie. Formidable. I felt so proud of her. According to one poster on mystics my recent comments on TNRS make Charlie cringe. Sorry about that Charlie ha ha. joe
Snowy: Joe, I was happy to see you there and what you said was wonderful!!! So..so far I am ‘snowduck’ and ‘snowball’ because I won’t type out a linear 1-10 line-up of Charlie’s correct prophecies. I asked them why they can’t come and read what’s written in black and white for themselves..or read and ask Charlie a real question instead of a loaded question. AND also asked why so many of them are *Anonymous* there? Strange.
Crozier:Good job Snowy.

Let's point out that we can not ask "real" questions of Charlie because he won't answer them or scrub them.

Snowy Owl complaining about "anonymous", okay so I'll call myself "Jean - The Hawk".

Notice how before the presidential prophesy how aggressive Snowy is compared to after the
failure.

Once again for the brave Snowy: What gift has Charlie been given and by whom?

Jean - The Hawk







Joe Crozier said...

And on it goes. I am happy to have supported Charlie in the past. Despite what is said here, I have never placed my trust in him as I place my trust in God. I have never replaced God with Charlie. His politics really do not interest me. I have never placed a faith in him such as that faith I place in the messages and events of Garabandal. I have never replaced my faith in Garabandal with faith in Charlie's prophesies. I still do not. I still see Charlie as a good guy with a good heart and a good mind and a good spirit.

Martin Luther King once said "I have a dream" He could just as easily have said I have a vision. I am sure his vision did not pan out as he saw it. He was still a good guy.

Unstoppable by me, such relentless malice as found here is as pathognomic as is "anonymous" legion in his personalities. I will no longer dialogue with whatever is at work here. Are you part of this Glenn? Are you really in with this character on his campaign of hate?

No doubt the offending entities on this site will say I am threatening them again instead of just giving them fair warning but even if Glenn does not stop the offense we have the promise of scripture:
,
"Behold I send my angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.

"But if you carefully obey his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.

"When your angel goes before you ......I will blot them out."

Better you block them Glenn than they be blotted out. The ball in your court.

L Spinelli said...

@Joe Crozier

I won't reveal my first name. Suffice to say that the last name is real. I corresponded with Glenn, so he knows I'm not lying.

I'm not Kevin Symonds, and to my knowledge, he hasn't posted here. Don't drag his good name through the mud and threaten him.

So like I said once already: KNOCK IT OFF.

Anonymous said...


Once in a great while I check out this site and conversation. I find it a study in psychology. How could anyone still be following Charlie, Even before his failed president prophecy, he was the most obvious of phonies. Visionaries are not so full of themselves, writing extensively about the world according to them, with an extensive string of failed prophecies.

Charlie made extreme claims that did not happen and now he acts like things are unfolding just as he predicted. The man clearly said that we'd be in a global civil war–LITERALLY—and all chaos would ensue. Money would be worthless and hundreds of thousands would die. He had gone and visited refuges people had set up for themselves to survive the storm. This is a sick joke. How can anyone still follow him? He loves the attention, plays the good Catholic, but the mask has slipped time and time again.

His followers are blind to his track record. Saints don't waste so much time promoting themselves. He's no saint.

Anonymous said...

You;re completely wrong, Anon.9:59. Mother Teresa used to spend days in praying Adoration, serving the poor and checking IP addresses. St. Faustina had her fellow sisters search the comments sections of websites and smite those who expressing doubts about Divine Mercy. They had the same attitude as Charlie: if anyone comes against you, "kick 'em in the groin."

Anonymous said...

Comment by Snowy: "Just so you understand- to be "All in" has nothing to do with Charlie or his prophecies. To be All in means to be all in with trusting in God and His will in all circumstances and all things that will come in our lives, even the painful things that we do not yet understand. God bless"

I reference the blog TIME TO CHOOSE ( Presidential Prophecy ) in January of 2017, right under this blog is an article " prophet Johnston " wrote in August of 2016 called ALL IN. Now why would the prophet do that, obviously to indicate that his followers were "All In" with the Presidential Prophecy, if there was any ambiguity don't you think Snowy would have corrected "prophet Johnston" like Snowy does to us that "All In" has nothing to do with the Prophecies, yet I don't see anything from Snowy telling "pJ" that "All In" should not be associated with the prophesy.

Then you Crozier, who agrees with Snowy that "All In" has nothing to do with the Preidential Prophesy "Well said Snowy", yet he to does not question pJ on this anywhere in his comments and even denies that he puts his faith in Charlie, but Jesus ( see above ), but yet on January 12. 2017 he states ;" And now we await the call to arms, our marching orders, from Charlie." then after the failed prophesy on January 20, 2017 he states that his faith is actually in Garabundal - "And I welcome that space. As Charlie and many here know, as far as private revelation goes, my faith is and always has been in Garabandal" and then he goes on to state that he did this for Charlie: " I am glad, however, that I have stood by my friend Charlie until the end ( re: Presdidential Prophesy )." For Crozier it was all about the prophesy becauuse after it failed he gave a eulogy in many spots including this : " "I wish you every joy in the world Charlie and in the world to come."

Anonymous said...

I forget to give my name Jean-The Hawk - sorry.

Anonymous said...

Hello Snowy:

What gift does Charlie have?

It seems when the going gets tough, Snowy melts.

Jean-The Hawk

Fred Keyes said...

When I was raising my boys in their "terrible two" days, there were times when they needed to be disciplined in the way fathers do for little kids who need to learn to stay safe; for instance, not to stick bobby pins in electrical outlets. Typically as I sternly told them not to do that, they would put their hands on my mouth and try to make me stop talking.

Joe, you can't put your hand over Glenn's mouth like that. Instead pay attention to the truths posted here. You shall know the truth....

Joe Crozier said...

"Spinelli"
I await Glenn's confirmation that your denial is true. As I said your style is very like Kevin's and because of the multitude of your misrepresentations I do not place much store by your witness. Interesting jibe/joke about Mother Teresa and IP addresses - close to the mark too in terms of evidence for evidence that indicates identity e.g. with a person named Kevin and a person named Harper. If your denial is true "Spinelli" then Glenn can tell us without revealing your true identity. Whether I am wrong or not about you and anonymous being the same person I still feel your comments are inexcusable and that this thread should be stopped in the name of Christian charity and I have said so in a message to Glenn.

How about you anonymous - do you deny being Kevin too? Can Glenn also confirm that you are not Kevin? This too can be done without revealing your true identity. He only has to say that neither of you is Kevin. I await the truth.
PS This request only applies to this thread because of the level of malice here - i believe we should have the right to be anonymous until that right is abused as it has been here. I am sure Kevin knows about this and he can also post his displeasure and denials here and elsewhere if needs be.

Joe Crozier said...

"Spinelli" may be a real name but is your name? If as you say you are female, I suppose it could be a maiden name but "Knock it off" sounds male to me. As I said Glenn can easily put an end to this. Knock knock - who's there?

Joe Crozier said...

Fred - I am not covering Glenn's mouth - I am asking him to talk.

Joe Crozier said...

'Spinelli" you say that to your knowledge Kevin has not posted here - only a moderator would have that knowledge. I presume you are not a moderator.

Jackisback said...

Mr. Crozier,

I think Fred may be referring to your repeated requests that Glenn shut down this thread.

Perhaps since I have never been anonymous, and have expressed general goodwill toward all concerned, you may accept my assurance that L. Spinelli is a real person who is not Kevin Symonds. She is also not a moderator to my knowledge as this is and always has been Glenn's blog. When someone says, "to my knowledge" that is a limiting phrase, not one that implies a greater scope. I have never been a moderator at any website. Glenn has allowed me to post here because he has trusted that I will not be uncharitable to those with whom I disagree.

As always, I pray for you Mr. Crozier.

Joe Crozier said...

Spinelli, Anonymous, Fred - as Glenn recently reminded us - only one of Charlie's prophesies is time sensitive. The others while not time sensitive - not expected to be completed this year - are well underway e.g. Spain and the defeat of ISIS and the large number of conversions from Islam. Charlie's Rescue has been prophesied to happen by the end of this year - we shall see. Time will tell.

L Spinelli said...

Thanks Jack.

If there is any similarity between Kevin Symonds and me, it is incidental to the fact that we follow the same Church teaching on private revelation.

Joe Crozier said...

Jack - you are of course right about Fred but my request of Glenn to speak up stands as does my request to stop this thread. I see you say Spinelli is a real person but you do not say it represents her true identity. Can you confirm that Spinelli is not just an online name? Can you deny it is the same person who posted under the name Harper, another person with a history of hate for Charlie and Becks. I pray for all my enemies here and please do not say you are not my enemies....that would deny me the grace of blessing my enemies. God bless you.

Joe Crozier said...

Spinelli 3.05
Now there is a change of signature! Shut it down Glenn.

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Anonymous said...

Crozier: I don't believe you actually listen to "prophet Johnston" - In Podcast 1, 2 or 3 "pJ" ( the exact time and podcast are in this forum a few months ago ) said very specifically that he only had one public prophesy that he came out with after you forced his hand: "the rescue" which included God is great, Jesus is God, Mary is His Mother, Jesus is her Son, Mary loves us and Mary will rescue us before the end of 2017 - that's ALL. All the other "prophecies" are not for public consumption and are private - "pJ" says that's ALL he was told - nothing more, nothing less; so where does ISIS, Spain, and Islam conversions have to do with that prophecy or any "pJ" prophesy - absolutely nothing - I suggest you go and listen to that podcast where he actually stated that. According to "pJ" the actual Presidential Prophesy was a private revelation, not for public consumption - that's what he's now claiming. If you don't believe me go listen to the podcasts youself.

Jean - The Hawk

Joe Crozier said...

The persona "Anonymous" is far more acrimonious in his/her comments than anyone else. All this has diverted attention from his/her toxicity. Is Glenn an expert in IT? Shut it down Glenn.

Joe Crozier said...

Anonymous 3.24
I don't know what you are talking about jean the hawk and neither do you. There are eight prophesies that Charlie has given that he insists on and Glenn has recently published these. Only one is time sensitive.

Anonymous said...

Crozier: Go back to Podcast 2 or 3 and "prophet Charlie" says quite clearly that his only prophesy that is for public consumption is "the rescue" - the rest are "private" and not for the public - I'll level with you Joe why don't you go back and listen, I'll eventually dig it up, go ASK Charlie what his public prophesy is and what the other prophecies are.

Jean - The Hawk

Anonymous said...

Crozier: Go listen to Podcast 3 , starting at 44:30, "pJ" talks about the "rescue" and that most of his messages are for "pJ" only.

Jean - The Hawk

Anonymous said...

August 25, 2017 Crozier's own words:

Having heard the latest pod cast I am now satisfied we have a clear description of The Rescue that lends itself to verification and authentication if its prophesy.

We are told that the Rescue is a discrete event that will happen late this year.
We are told that during this Rescue Mary will come and she will be seen by everyone.
We are told that in this Rescue the existence of God will be confirmed to all.
We are told that in this Rescue all will know that Jesus Christ is Lord and God.
We are told that in this Rescue all will know that Our Lady is the Mother of our God.

This is enough for me to believe in God’s word through Charlie should it come to pass. And yes it will be enough to restore my faith in Charlie’s gift of prophesy – to add to my faith in the working of The Holy Spirit as He renews the face of the earth.

jean - the hawk

Glenn Dallaire said...


Joe,
In light of your request I took a good deal of time to prayerfully and thoughtfully read through each of the comments here as of late (and there are many!) and in conclusion I honestly cannot find any solid justification to accede to your request to shut this comment thread down. While of course it is quite obvious that the disagreements here concerning Charlie and his purported prophecies have become quite heated lately, just as they were some months ago also, as I am sure that you recall. But I'll tell you what: if there is a specific comment that you feel is libelous or malicious, then please do let me know and I will definitely consider removing it.

Let me briefly explain my thinking here Joe: My wife and I have 7 children, and when we are all together sitting around chatting (with the husbands of the married ones included), we occasionally get into some quite heated arguments (in fact, this just happened again last night) for when any decent size group of individuals gets together, differences of opinion are bound to occur--even amongst those who share common beliefs. Heck, even the apostles quarreled amongst each other, like we see in the Acts of the Apostles with Peter and Paul concerning the Gentiles. For in an of itself dialogue is good, as it often brings forth many different considerations and reflections.

So my thought is Joe that even though the disagreements here may get quite heated at times, in my opinion this does not necessitate cutting the plug on the entire discussion HOWEVER your concern for what could be described as a lack of charity in a few of the specific comments is in fact a valid concern.

With this in mind then I would like to reiterate once again for all who comment here that the comment sections of this website is NOT moderated and therefore comments are published immediately. The views and opinions expressed in the comment sections are those of the persons writing the comments, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the host of this website. Please keep in mind that this is a Catholic based website, therefore all comments should be charitable and considerate of others in conformity with christian principles and practices.

I thank everyone in advance for their consideration in keeping the discussions here not only factual, but also charitable.

May God bless all who visit here.
Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

Glenn, Joe Crozier owes Kevin a public apology for his attempt to smear him as toxic and a coward.

Anonymous said...

Charlie quite clearly says that "almost none of the messages are for the faithful, they are for me"

Crozier: "I don't know what you are talking about jean the hawk and neither do you. There are eight prophesies that Charlie has given that he insists on and Glenn has recently published these. Only one is time sensitive."

Confusion reigns - JoeCro why don't you ask Charlie what he is now considering his prophecies because I initially thought it was the ones Glenn mentioned, but in this video he contradicts this, saying only the "rescue" however, I'm open to all evidence you have Joe - maybe ask Charlie, I may be wrong - prove me wrong, I'm open to it since I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm quoting directly from Charlie, I'm confused is Charlie lying, ask Charlie and that would settle it and then we don't have to throw insults at each other like non-Christians.

Jean - the Hawk

Joe Crozier said...

Hi Glenn
Thank you for acknowledging the lack of charity in some comments. I see however that have not affirmed the claims that Kevin has never posted here. My concern is that the public is being deceived by comments on this thread and that you may be complicit in this deception. I have made no charges of libel. Also the same evil that drives gender confusion in the world is now present on this thread. Let me repeat - I believe in Garabandal. If Charlie is right about The Rescue that will be great. If he is wrong I have Garabandal.

Glenn Dallaire said...


While Charlie has apparently recently backtracked in the podcast concerning what prophecies are "for public consumption", it should be pointed out that in his article entitled "Go Forth", Charlie reveals eight worldwide events that are said to occur. He states:
"I only have eight public prophecies that I insist on. Only the visible, miraculous Rescue by Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception in late 2017, is time sensitive. Five things must happen between now and the Rescue, but can happen at any time during that period. They are:

– The continued toppling of governments throughout the world, including that of the U.S. The toppling of a government does not mean the nation shall fall.

– The confrontation with and fall of political Islam.

– The mass conversion of most Muslims

– The confrontation between the Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China.

– The alliance between Russia and the U.S. to lead the Judeo-Christian world to endure the confrontation with China.

-Then, after the 5 things above comes the miraculous "Rescue" through the Immaculate Heart of Mary sometime in late 2017.
Then there are two prophecies that happen shortly after the Rescue. They are the unification of the faithful into one flock under one shepherd and the building and location of the Shrine of thanksgiving for the Rescue on Mount Meeker in Colorado.
----------------------------

So, originally according to Charlie there are eight public prophecies that he insists upon, and not just one as he stated just recently.

-Glenn Dallaire

Jackisback said...

Mr. Crozier, one at a time,

--begin quoted text--Can you confirm that Spinelli is not just an online name?--end quoted text--

I would have no way of knowing if this is true or not, or why this is relevant. In the same way, I have no way of knowing if the name Joe Crozier is a real name or simply a screen name.

--begin quoted text--Can you deny it is the same person who posted under the name Harper, another person with a history of hate for Charlie and Becks.--end quoted text--

Again, I would have no way of knowing this one way or the other, but I can say with some confidence that my fellow discerner L. Spinelli, seems to me to be of such good and decent moral character that it is unlikely that she has engaged in "sock puppetry" (taking on one or more alternative pseudonyms when posting) in my opinion.

--begin quoted text--I pray for all my enemies here and please do not say you are not my enemies....that would deny me the grace of blessing my enemies. God bless you.--end quoted text--

Sorry to not comply with your request here, but if discernment is truly your goal, then you really do not have any enemies here.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Joe,
As for identifying the locations (City/State/Country) of contributors here through IP address, sure the website tools offer that capability, and no it is not difficult to do. The thing is though that I almost never even look at any of the various stats for the website, except I do occasionally view the overall weekly/monthly visitor totals. But to address your concern specifically, what really does the identity of the individual commenters here it matter? It has never mattered to me, and this is why I allow people 4 different options when commenting, as shown under "Choose and identity" prompt:
Choose an identity:
-Google Account
-OpenID (OpenID, LiveJournal, WordPress, TypePad, AOL)
-Name/URL
-Anonymous
----

With that said, I do very much prefer if commenters here would make up a name (pseudonym) instead of choosing "Anonymous", simply because it makes replying to someones comments much easier when an identifiable name is used, instead of a handful of different "Anonymous" persons commenting all together on one thread, as I am sure many of you here have experienced.

The point being is that I leave everyone free to post as themselves, or anonymously as "Anonymous", or some other made up name (pseudonym), and I do so so that individuals might maintain their privacy if they so wish. What matters is not the identities of the various commenters, but the various facts and opinions that they are stating. In other words, it is the data and assessments expressed that I personally think one should concern oneself with, and not the identity of the person making them.

Just my .02 cents, for whatever it is worth.
Glenn Dallaire

Joe Crozier said...

Anonymous 4.24
More disinformation from you.

methinks the gang of four doth protest too much. You have been sussed. And you know it.

Jack

My photo and name is all over the internet - unlike some characters here, as Conchita says, I have nothing to hide. I am glad to hear your fellow dissimulator is known to you. It is good to have such knowledge.

Something stinks on this thread and its not me. Have you boys and girls had a shower and brushed your teeth?

Jackisback said...

Mr. Crozier, for your additional discernment:
--begin quoted text--Spinelli, Anonymous, Fred - as Glenn recently reminded us - only one of Charlie's prophesies is time sensitive.-end quoted text--

While you correctly quote one thing CJ said about the eight things he "insists on," you fail to include all of the proper context. Quoting CJ: --begin CJ's quoted text--I only have eight public prophecies that I insist on. Only the visible, miraculous Rescue by Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception in late 2017, is time sensitive. Five things must happen between now and the Rescue, but can happen at any time during that period. They are...--end CJ's quoted text--

The key phrases here are "must happen between now and the Rescue" and "during that period." CJ made the other five "public prophecies" time sensitive by using those phrases. Your claim that: --begin quoted text-- The others while not time sensitive - not expected to be completed this year - are well underway e.g. Spain and the defeat of ISIS and the large number of conversions from Islam.--end quoted text-- is in dispute.

The characterization "not expected to be completed this year" was never an assertion CJ made until just recently - it is classic "goal post moving" logical fallacy. As one friend of CJ's said about his "Presidential Prophecy" fail, "this ain't horseshoes." Qualifying the "five fundamentals" as correctly prophesied when only partially fulfilled before the "rescue" is not just bad form, it is after-the-fact rationalization, where CJ expects the reader to think that we will still get to a point of having "lost all hope," and still need to be "rescued" before the five are completely fulfilled. Then, incredulously, he asserts that remaining fulfillment of the five will occur after the "rescue." If we have been "rescued" Mr. Crozier, why would those five awful things still be occuring after that date?

As for Spain, a successful seccession by Catalonia, would not be a toppling of Spain's government, unless Rajoy and his cabinet were to lose their jobs. ISIS has not been defeated yet. They have lost Mosul and Raqqa, but have not surrendered, and their leader has not been killed or captured. According to the BBC: "IS still controls large parts of the valley in the neighbouring Syrian province of Deir al-Zour..." ISIS is only a fraction of "political Islam." The chance that Saudi Arabia will still be a Sunni Islamic state and Iran will still be a Shia Islamic state in our long term future is very high.

This is how we do discernment here on this thread. We think things out, proceeding charitably, yet logically. We test assertions against their end-game results. We base our opinions and conclusions on the results of those tests, and we invite all to dispute what we have to say. We ask that you do so in the same fashion - quoting people directly, proceeding from facts to analysis to conclusion. It’s conversation. We can wait for January 1, 2018 for the final test, but if nothing "rescue-like" happens, will you be satisfied? Or, if CJ moves the goal posts again, will you instead say that we must "wait and see" yet again?

As always, I pray for you Mr. Crozier.

kathy said...

Joe Crozier,
At 4:57 you say, "Thank you for acknowledging the lack of charity in some comments." and then just a little while later you say "Something stinks on this thread and its not me. Have you boys and girls had a shower and brushed your teeth?" Perhaps you ought to look at yourself before accusing others here of being uncharitable. I find your comment, among many other comments you've made here to be extremely uncharitable.

Matthew 7:3 Why do you observe the splinter in your brother's eye and never notice the great log in your own?

4 And how dare you say to your brother, "Let me take that splinter out of your eye," when, look, there is a great log in your own?

5 Hypocrite! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother's eye.

I say this with Christian love.

Bemused said...

Jack, you ask:

"If we have been "rescued" Mr. Crozier, why would those five awful things still be occuring after that date?"

You may be taking Charlie's words too literally. You need to understand that when heavenly beings use normal language, they are playful with it. Their use of language seamlessly incorporates plain speech, figurative speech, symbolic images, double meanings and layers of meaning.

Bemused said...

Glenn, you might consider the possibility that a certain individual may be trolling on this thread.

For those unfamiliar with the term, trolling is defined as:

"making deliberately offensive or provocative online posts with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them."

And the goal of this individual's trolling, by their own admission, is to shut down this thread.

My family and I were caught up with the hysteria of Charlie's predictions. Every time I feel myself getting sucked back in to the craziness (world wars, FEMA camps, economic collape, and squirrels) I come to this thread to restore myself to sanity and have my head screwed back on straight. Honestly, this thread has been therapeutic for me.

And no, I am not L.Spinelli, Glenn, Jack, Kevin, Jean, or whomever. I am simply bemused by the whole thing.

Quite amused said...

You are correct Bemused!

charliej373 says:
August 27, 2017 at 2:33 pm
Hi Pati, a thoughtful question. I do not just NOW say that about the messages; I have said that since I started this website. There was only one thing I was directed to tell people publicly – and that was the Rescue. Some things I was directed not to speak of, but most of the rest was left to my discretion – and I spoke knowing that I was fully responsible for it and that it always involves interpretation. When heavenly beings use normal language, they are playful with it. Their use of language seamlessly incorporates plain speech, figurative speech, symbolic images, double meanings and layers of meaning."

So you see Bemused et al., we all need to understand that the heavenly beings are just being "playful" with all of us, "seamlessly incorporating plain speech, figurative speech, symbolic images, double meanings and layers of meaning."
Now go figure what that means in relation to the storm and rescue. Oh those heavenly beings are such clever fellows! Who can possibly interpret? No wonder Charlie has gotten it all wrong so far!

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